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Old 09-11-2005   #61
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there is no point in even talking about this. It is over it, it is done. All we can do is pray TJ turns into a super star.
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there is no point in even talking about this. It is over it, it is done. All we can do is pray TJ turns into a super star.
Okay... sorry. No point bringing up the mistakes this organization has made.

All we can do is pray. Good point.
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I'm not basing it on one game. This game hadn't been played when I started complaining about it on the day they didn't draft DJ. At the time all I got back in reply was "UT HOMERS CAN'T SEE PAST DJ!!!!! LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!" and junk like that.

I don't even like UT! I just saw a bad linebacker who the Texans could definitely use. They could still use him.

But it's too late and Wonger is right. No talking bad about the mistakes of the past.
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My apologies, gents. I should've known better than to attempt this after a disappointing loss.
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My apologies, gents. I should've known better than to attempt this after a disappointing loss.

Yep, save the Kool Aid for another day.
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And don't get me started on how Derrick Johnson doesn't fit in the 3-4 alignment. If he did, Dallas would've taken him long before Houston had a shot.
Doubtful, espically with Ware still on the board. For Dallas Ware fit the bigger need, a playmaking OLB for their 3-4. It would have been intersting to see what would have happened if both Ware and Merriman were gone by the time the Cowboys picked.
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Doubtful, espically with Ware still on the board. For Dallas Ware fit the bigger need, a playmaking OLB for their 3-4. It would have been intersting to see what would have happened if both Ware and Merriman were gone by the time the Cowboys picked.
Which was exactly my point. Derrick Johnson doesn't fit the playmaking OLB in the 3-4. And with his style of play (running around using his athleticism) he doesn't fit the ILB in the 3-4 either.
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But why play him at OLB? Espically when we (the Texans fans) were told that we need guys at ILB that could make plays from sideline to sideline. Now if that wasn't DJ iat UT I don't know what is.

I think thats been the point trying to be made, by myslef and others.
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Which was exactly my point. Derrick Johnson doesn't fit the playmaking OLB in the 3-4. And with his style of play (running around using his athleticism) he doesn't fit the ILB in the 3-4 either.
He is faster then Greenwood and is bigger than greenwood.... how does that not translate to a better inside linebacker.

Casserly said we were getting younger and faster, how the hell does DJ not fit that description?
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Which was exactly my point. Derrick Johnson doesn't fit the playmaking OLB in the 3-4. And with his style of play (running around using his athleticism) he doesn't fit the ILB in the 3-4 either.
Isn't that exactly what they got Greenwood for? Except I have to think DJ will be a much better player.
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He is faster then Greenwood and is bigger than greenwood.... how does that not translate to a better inside linebacker.

Casserly said we were getting younger and faster, how the hell does DJ not fit that description?
Exactly! Exactly!

Inside, outside, how in the world do you justify passing up this guy after the kind of changes you made this off-season to your linebacking corps?

It just flat out defies explanation.
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Exactly! Exactly!

Inside, outside, how in the world do you justify passing up this guy after the kind of changes you made this off-season to your linebacking corps?

It just flat out defies explanation.
Another wonderful thing to notice:

With Greg Robinson last year the scheme was for the defensive linemen to take up blocks, and for DJ to run wherever he wanted. He didnt have gap responsibilities....

Is that not similiar to what an inside linebacker in a 3-4 is supposed to do?
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I'll re-iterate...

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Put the guy at Strong Safety for all we care. We just need a play maker on defense. Someone with a nose for the football that can change games.
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On another note, go ask teh Jets if they think Vilma isn't he right size to play MLB, casue that was the big knock against him as well.
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Put the guy at Strong Safety for all we care. We just need a play maker on defense. Someone with a nose for the football that can change games.
Funny you say that, McCree had a huge hit today...
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You're comparing tackles and sacks from a LB to a DT in a 3-4 scheme? That's beyond insane.

TJ isn't supposed to get a lot of sacks or tackles. He's supposed to tie up blockers so that the linebackers can make plays. Take a look at Ted Washington's tackles and sacks statistics per season and tell me that he's not a good player.

I guess that is why Bryant Young got 3 sacks as a DE in the 3-4 with San Francisco
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Which was exactly my point. Derrick Johnson doesn't fit the playmaking OLB in the 3-4. And with his style of play (running around using his athleticism) he doesn't fit the ILB in the 3-4 either.
And so where do we get 3-4 linebackers from, only colleges that use 3-4 systems? Saying DJ doesn't fit the 3-4 is like saying TJ doesn't fit the 3-4 either, both came from 4-3 systems. If a LB isn't running around (See Wong, Sharper, Foreman, Babin, Peek, etc) then I guess he just rushes the passer?? Please you are way off on this one.
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And so where do we get 3-4 linebackers from, only colleges that use 3-4 systems? Saying DJ doesn't fit the 3-4 is like saying TJ doesn't fit the 3-4 either, both came from 4-3 systems. If a LB isn't running around (See Wong, Sharper, Foreman, Babin, Peek, etc) then I guess he just rushes the passer?? Please you are way off on this one.
Yes, just a lame attempt to justify ANOTHER horrible personnel decision. They're adding up quickly.
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The Texans will be not be living this one down. It was a perfect fit, a local sensation that was very marketable in this region, especially when we were letting go a LB and had an immediate opening.

couldn't have said it better myself-
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