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Old 09-11-2005   #1
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Here's how they compare after week 1....

DJ - 8 tackles, 1 assist, 1 sack, 1 fumble recovered.

TJ - 2 tackles.

Derrick Johnson would not have been a good fit here... he actually makes tackles and plays.

BTW... The 4 starting LB's for the Texans had 10 tackles, 0 sacks and 0 fumble recoveries. And were playing against a weaker offensive line.

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hey but he wasnt cut for our system what a bunch of baloney we need play makers we missed out on a solid players thanks casserly hope you find anopther job in the league after you get canned this year.
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Nah, taking a playmaker like DJ makes no sense at all. :brickwall
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You're comparing tackles and sacks from a LB to a DT in a 3-4 scheme? That's beyond insane.

TJ isn't supposed to get a lot of sacks or tackles. He's supposed to tie up blockers so that the linebackers can make plays. Take a look at Ted Washington's tackles and sacks statistics per season and tell me that he's not a good player.
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Here's how they compare after week 1....

DJ - 8 tackles, 1 assist, 1 sack, 1 fumble recovered.

TJ - 2 tackles.

Derrick Johnson would not have been a good fit here... he actually makes tackles and plays.
I think the coaching staff forgot they wanted the other Johnson
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You're comparing tackles and sacks from a LB to a DT in a 3-4 scheme? That's beyond insane.

TJ isn't supposed to get a lot of sacks or tackles. He's supposed to tie up blockers so that the linebackers can make plays. Take a look at Ted Washington's tackles and sacks statistics per season and tell me that he's not a good player.
Nice attempt but good luck trying to convince them otherwise.
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You're comparing tackles and sacks from a LB to a DT in a 3-4 scheme? That's beyond insane.

TJ isn't supposed to get a lot of sacks or tackles. He's supposed to tie up blockers so that the linebackers can make plays. Take a look at Ted Washington's tackles and sacks statistics per season and tell me that he's not a good player.
We're talking about drafting a playmaker really. He is already better than any of the Texans linebackers.
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We're talking about drafting a playmaker really. He is already better than any of the Texans linebackers.
Doesn't change the fact that comparing statistics of a DT in a 3-4 to a linebacker is ridiculous.

Also, fwiw, TJ played better than any of our defensive linemen, imo.
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You're comparing tackles and sacks from a LB to a DT in a 3-4 scheme? That's beyond insane.

TJ isn't supposed to get a lot of sacks or tackles. He's supposed to tie up blockers so that the linebackers can make plays. Take a look at Ted Washington's tackles and sacks statistics per season and tell me that he's not a good player.

...bet you're hoping for the day you don't have to make excuses for everything the Texans do....his point was not aimed at what posisition
the players play but their production---how do Greenwoods stats compare to DJ?

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IMO, Gary Walker played the best game by a dlineman. True, statistally it may not be a fair comparison. How about we just put those numbers in place of Moron Greenjeans.

Greenwood:

T-A SCK INT FF
2-3 0.0 0 0

Another brilliant offseason move by CC and Company. The Chickens are coming home to roost.
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...bet you're hoping for the day you don't have to make excuses for everything the Texans do....his point was not aimed at what posisition
the players play but their production---how do Greenwoods stats compare to DJ?
And his point is flawed because you cannot accurately measure a DT's impact in statistics.
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Ok who cares about TJ, just look at DJ, he played better than anyone on our defense excluding Dunta.
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Also, fwiw, TJ played better than any of our defensive linemen, imo.
Gary Walker had a great game. He was named player of the game on the post game show.
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...bet you're hoping for the day you don't have to make excuses for everything the Texans do....his point was not aimed at what posisition
the players play but their production---how do Greenwoods stats compare to DJ?
Derrick Johnson had 2 less tackles and 1 more sack than the Texans 4 starters at LB.

And he was playing against a better offensive line.
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We're talking about drafting a playmaker really. He is already better than any of the Texans linebackers.
Casserly doesn't like to draft playmakers. He likes projects... Those who played one or two downs their entire college career.
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Casserly doesn't like to draft playmakers. He likes projects... Those who played one or two downs their entire college career.
Yes, and preferably a player who will also be making a position change as well.
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Yes, and preferably a player who will also be making a position change as well.
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You all should have taken DJ. It was INSANE for you all to pass him up...
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And his point is flawed because you cannot accurately measure a DT's impact in statistics.
Why do they have offensive/defensive players of the game when you
are considering 11 different posisitions?


Somebody-somewhere is able to determine, for example, that a qb
out played a rb!
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The Texans will be not be living this one down. It was a perfect fit, a local sensation that was very marketable in this region, especially when we were letting go a LB and had an immediate opening.
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