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Old 09-11-2005   #21
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I think the line was average and Carr makes it look worse than it is by not stepping up or getting rid of the ball in the pocket. I think we have an average line and a below average QB.
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I think the line was average and Carr makes it look worse than it is by not stepping up or getting rid of the ball in the pocket. I think we have an average line and a below average QB.

im starting to believe you. i think carr is a competitor and also very accurate. but he cant read defenses and makes bad decisions. 2cnd and 20 down by 15 in the 4th and he audibles to a run up the middle.
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I thought the inside linebackers played worse than the outside linebackers. I thought Babin had a decent game. Carr and the offense is what stunk it up. Carr was horrible.
What was it that babin did that made you think he had a decent game??? was it the constant lack of presense in the buffalo backfield??? as bad a game as peek had, babin was totally non existant.

with regards to carr, you can bash him all you want, but you are fooling yourself if you think that any other quarterback would have fared much better with the lack of protection we saw today.
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Im curious to know what happened to that revamped Defense I heard about all week? Losman still has a clean jersey.
Kinda hard to get a dirty jersey when you're playing on field turf, ain't it?
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What was it that babin did that made you think he had a decent game??? was it the constant lack of presense in the buffalo backfield??? as bad a game as peek had, babin was totally non existant.
There is more to football then just getting a sack. I thought he held his ground on the rush game and was good in his coverages.
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with regards to carr, you can bash him all you want, but you are fooling yourself if you think that any other quarterback would have fared much better with the lack of protection we saw today.
If you can't see how bad Carr was today you never will. A better performance by a QB makes a ton of difference in wining and losing. Carr was awful.
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The o-line wasn't near as bad as Carr, and Carr makes them look worse than they really are. Carr doesn't know how to step up in the pocket or throw the ball away from the pocket. A better QB makes the line look a lot better.
a QBs job is not to make the line look better, a line's job is to keep the QB off of his butt. just look at what losman was able to do with a line that gave him more than enough time to read and react.
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a QBs job is not to make the line look better, a line's job is to keep the QB off of his butt. just look at what losman was able to do with a line that gave him more than enough time to read and react.
Sure it is. Look at how much better Flutie made the Bills line look when he replaced Rob Johnson a few years ago. Everyone blamed the line until Flutie came in (kinda like our fans here)...and all of a sudden all the sacks stopped when they pulled RJ.
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Babin helped flush the QB out of the pocket alot. One guy on the D had a really good game and that was Gary Walker. But I could've swore we cut Aaron Glenn though, what was he doing out there guarding Eric Moulds.
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There is more to football then just getting a sack. I thought he held his ground on the rush game and was good in his coverages. If you can't see how bad Carr was today you never will. A better performance by a QB makes a ton of difference.
Agreed, but we traded away extra picks to get a "kevin greene" clone. other tweeners taken after him in his class like schobel and shaun phillips are doing better. It is not his fault, he did no worse than anyone else, but the morons that traded up to get him are to blame, but that is an argument for another day.

Carr was horrible today, but he was rushed out of the pocket by buffalo on what seemed to be every other passing play. stepping up into the non existant pocket would have left him seseptable to strip plays like the one by takeo spikes. Judging carr without giving him an average of over 2 seconds after the snap before he has to run for his life is ridiculous.

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What was it that babin did that made you think he had a decent game??? was it the constant lack of presense in the buffalo backfield??? as bad a game as peek had, babin was totally non existant.
I would like to piont out that other than the dropped INT peek played decent. He didnt lose contain, and to his defense most of the blitzes that were run today, capers had peek dropping into coverage. Most of the game he was being doubled on pass plays by the LT and RB, or Losman was rolling out to the other side. He almost got a sack on a quick screen play when he blitzed up the middle, but that was all the blitzing that he really did. I think he did well keeping his position, and the sacks will come when he gets a chance to have some help on blitzes and when the QB stays in the pocket for more than 3 secs.
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hopefully that was the one game of the season that the whole team screws up.
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Sure it is. Look at how much better Flutie made the Bills line look when he replaced Rob Johnson a few years ago. Everyone blamed the line until Flutie came in (kinda like our fans here)...and all of a sudden all the sacks stopped when they pulled RJ.
we will agree to disagree then, a qb's job is to lead his team downfield, an OLs job is to allow their qb to do so by keeping him off the ground. sure a qb can do things to avoid sacks, but when there is no pocket to step into, what do you want him to do?
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Why did we let SHARPER go and give a big contract to Wong??
Seriously. Why would ANY team get rid of their LEADING TACKLER??? I think that was one of your dumbest moves. That and getting rid of Glenn.
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personally i think the linebackers play was decent...not the outstanding play that capers thought that adding this "speed" would give him...personally if i was casserly i would have cut foreman moved wong inside and KEEP sharper...anyways...yes peek tried the same damn move everytime...yes babin doesn't know how to keep contain...but NO the defense was not the problem today...carr and the offense was...carr has no trust in the o-line...he will not step up into the pockett because he believes he'll be sacked that way...carr is not checking his other reads...but then again i ask ya'll this...where the hell was this running game we were supposed to have...why did we pay DD more money just to fumble the ball again...if capers is gonna have this offense in run-first mode then he better have a good running game otherwise his offense will look like this the rest of the season and he will be fired
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we will agree to disagree then, a qb's job is to lead his team downfield, an OLs job is to allow their qb to do so by keeping him off the ground. sure a qb can do things to avoid sacks, but when there is no pocket to step into, what do you want him to do?
I don't agree with Vinny often, but in this case I do. Carr never looked to anyone but his first option and held the ball way too long. The Texans were supposed to have switched to a quick passing game to help limit the sacks, but Carr would take his 3 step drop and then hold the ball. He would lock on to his 1st option and hold the ball until he was hit or until he started running. Carr had time to find another Receiver, but never looked for one. the O-LIne wasn't the greatest but they were adequate. Carr made the O-Line look worse than they were. A QB like Manning or Brady would have, IMHO, made the O-Line look decent.

Carr looked bad and there is nothing you can say that will change that.
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Carr was horrible.
I don't see that ? I saw one play where Carr lofted a perfect pass 35-40 yards pass down the field and Corey "board hands" Bradford let it bounce off his hands. I saw another play where Gaff let a beauty of a pass bouch off his
elbow because he was looking downfield (or looking up his ***, take your pick). I saw another play where Carr made another pass right to AJ and he
dropped it. It was a tough catch, but hey, Johnson went to the Pro Bowl last year, he's suppose to make those catches.
That first intereception was a pass off target, but not at all a blatant error.
Carr made some plays but his WRs didn't reciprocate.
And believe me I am not reluctant to critisize the individual players.
But the OL was AWOL today - again ! That was Carr's biggest problem today.
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Agreed, but we traded away extra picks to get a "kevin greene" clone.
Greene didn't get double digit sacks until he was in the NFL for 4 years.
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and to top it all off........Aaron Glenn just makes a game saving INT in San Diego's endzone. Thank God my Horns took care of business last night.
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Well, if Carr is making so many mistakes, and is not looking off receivers, and is locking onto Andre, that is something that coaching can change. What is the QB coach doing? Where is his influence? These are problems that coaches are supposed to be able to fix. Some fault should lay on Carr, but he cannot be solely to blame.
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So what are the Texans options? I do remember reading that David is due a very large bonus next summer...so if he continues to play poorly do you cut your losses and go in another direction with a new QB? Or do you stay with him and see what happens?

One thing I do believe though...if David continues to run with the ball (something he does well) he may not make it thru the whole year because he was getting knocked around today and he was real slow to get up and I've not even watched the whole game.

I don't think he scored on that one play either. His foot was out of bounds.

I think he can right whatever is wrong with his game. Personally I am not so sure he's lost complete confidence in the playcalling which is a death knell for a offensive coordinator and QB. Ex: Troy Aikman and David Shula.......

I suspect the OC is on very thin ice here.
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