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Old 09-10-2005   #121
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Okay.. i just read through 6 pages and couldnt take anymore...
first off.. LBC... it was nice reading your posts on the Bills website.. you're a solid fan for sure.. reminde me a lot of... me.
second off... about Carr. I cant stand people calling him out. So many people seem to forget that this is an EXPANSION TEAM. Even with 3 years in the league we still have many holes to fill due to the way the front office decided to build this team. We could of easily signed a bus load of high priced free agents and made a run for the playoffs in year 3 and 4 and then done after that and have to rebuild. We took the road less travled instead and decided to go through the growing pains with a majority of rookies and younger players growing with the franchise. Carr WILL be a great QB. He has an extremley quick release, the likes of Dan Marino. He has the feet of a Steve Young or John Elway and the heart and toughness of Bret Farve. My only knock on Carr is that he seems to have a problem with looking off coverages. He eyes his main reciever and if he's not open he dumbs it off to DD. This is something that is coachable and once he knows he has time in the pocket to make a proper decission we will see the REAL David Carr.

I first wanted to post about Andre Johnson but the thread seemed to get a bit side tracked. There isnt a corner in the league that can match up physically with AJ. Clements may be a top 5 CB in the league but he has never faced a reciever that he give nearly 20 pounds and 3 inches to. I always love seeing those quick screens to AJ and seeing those "elite" corners bounce off of him when trying to bring him down in the open field.

This will not be an easy game for us for sure.. but I do believe that it is a winable game. This is our year! i believe it and I think most true fans are with me!
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Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't AJ bust a sixty yard catch on the Bills last time we played them? I might be confused with another game but I remember AJ catching the ball with two or three defenders hitting him at once and him putting his head down busting through them and running the distance of the field. That was the first time that I knew really knew that he was for real.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't AJ bust a sixty yard catch on the Bills last time we played them? I might be confused with another game but I remember AJ catching the ball with two or three defenders hitting him at once and him putting his head down busting through them and running the distance of the field. That was the first time that I knew really knew that he was for real.
Yes he did, go to Texans Highlight clips thread and you will see it on page 2.
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Okay.. i just read through 6 pages and couldnt take anymore...
first off.. LBC... it was nice reading your posts on the Bills website.. you're a solid fan for sure.. reminde me a lot of... me.
second off... about Carr. I cant stand people calling him out. So many people seem to forget that this is an EXPANSION TEAM. Even with 3 years in the league we still have many holes to fill due to the way the front office decided to build this team. We could of easily signed a bus load of high priced free agents and made a run for the playoffs in year 3 and 4 and then done after that and have to rebuild. We took the road less travled instead and decided to go through the growing pains with a majority of rookies and younger players growing with the franchise. Carr WILL be a great QB. He has an extremley quick release, the likes of Dan Marino. He has the feet of a Steve Young or John Elway and the heart and toughness of Bret Farve. My only knock on Carr is that he seems to have a problem with looking off coverages. He eyes his main reciever and if he's not open he dumbs it off to DD. This is something that is coachable and once he knows he has time in the pocket to make a proper decission we will see the REAL David Carr.

I first wanted to post about Andre Johnson but the thread seemed to get a bit side tracked. There isnt a corner in the league that can match up physically with AJ. Clements may be a top 5 CB in the league but he has never faced a reciever that he give nearly 20 pounds and 3 inches to. I always love seeing those quick screens to AJ and seeing those "elite" corners bounce off of him when trying to bring him down in the open field.

This will not be an easy game for us for sure.. but I do believe that it is a winable game. This is our year! i believe it and I think most true fans are with me!
IF you go back and read I listed some of the large WR's Clements has played against.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't AJ bust a sixty yard catch on the Bills last time we played them? I might be confused with another game but I remember AJ catching the ball with two or three defenders hitting him at once and him putting his head down busting through them and running the distance of the field. That was the first time that I knew really knew that he was for real.
And what you did two years ago against our bad Defense (22nd in the league) is going to help you how on Sunday? Your in a for a shocker if you think there will be a repeat of that clip you all keep jerking it to.
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Andre put up bad numbers against the teams I mentioned before hand. That was the whole point of the post.
Ya he might have had bad numbers but it was because he gets doubld teamed EVERY play of the game. Nate Clements is a top five CB but he cant stop Andre by himself.
IMO andre wont have a good game against buffalo because he will still get double teams.
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And what you did two years ago against our bad Defense (22nd in the league) is going to help you how on Sunday? Your in a for a shocker if you think there will be a repeat of that clip you all keep jerking it to.
You need to stop acting like a #2 yds/#8 pts defense is an impenetrable wall. Every team gives up big plays from #1 on down.
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Ill be back to feed you your crow on Sunday.
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Living in Texas I dont have much of a choice but to watch Texan games. But if you can beat one of your first two opponents it will go a LONG way in proving alot of people wrong.

Its nice to see a realistic Texan fan that doesnt think this weeks game is going to be a cake walk.
From what ive been reading Texan fans are not the ones that think this game will be a cake walk
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Do you want your best player to get injured by Clements? Because that is exactly what will happen if he challenges a top 5 cornerback and one of the nastyest hitters in the league.

You realize if we do beat you, I am going to give you hell for the rest of the season.
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...Just give me a valid reason why, make me understand what makes you so different from the other rushing teams we have faced.
It is what we do... run the ball. What are you expecting the Texans organization or the fans to say? Where you expecting a lot of press on our passing attack or just forfeit the game because it is hopeless?

That is why we play the game. If we are able to run it means that our zone blocking scheme and personnel have finally jelled. To do it against Buffalo would be a decent accomplishment... unless Buffalo is unable to start off like they ended the last six games of their season.

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Keyshawn is a possesion reciver, makes the catch and goes down. Andre was in the top five in the league in yards after catch. Also, Evans had single coverange all year beacuse, as you said, no one knew who he was. Also, the Texans seem to like running at a defense in the red zone, for the most part, and that takes awat from the cheap 2 yd TD pass (ala Randy Moss on the fade).
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Eric Moulds demands the double team too much to get any TD's. If you all are hurting so bad for a number two WR why didnt you draft one or a freaking LT! instead of drafting a damn DL this year?

Your front office is nuts man, David Carr is Drew Bledsoe to me untill he gets more help.

I would love for the Texans to be my number two favorite team (living in Texas and all) but your front office is too stupid IMO.

And what revier did you want us to draft in the first round with our pick? Williamson (who is 4th on the Vikings0 and Williams were both gone. Clayton would have been a stretch at 13. also we drafted the fastest guy in the whole draft WR Jerome Mathis. We here have hope he can have a Lee Evans effect, break into the line up later in the season and become a deep-threat.
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They dont trust Carr...


We were in top 5 in red zone td percentage. I think they jsut trust Davis. If you Bills fans want to see what AJ can do eith the fade in the corner, look at the Texans highlits post aginst Jacksonville, a defense that gave up fewer points than yours....
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Agreed of course but then isn't AJ one of the best in the game as well? Clements isn't in for an easy day either. Something's got to give here so being a Texans fan I'm thinking it's got to be Clements until proven otherwise.

Hello Texans Fans I agree AJ is one of the best in The Nfl. I have watched for the past few seasons and seem him make some spectacular plays and solidify himself as a stud of the nfl but Nate Clements is a stud as well. Look what happened to Cincinniti's passing attack when they faced off against Buffalo last season. Chad Johnson was matched up against Nate Clements...

Week 1 @NYJ L 31-24 5 99 19.8 53 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 2 MIA W 16-13 3 45 15.0 20 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 3 BAL L 23-9 8 99 12.4 23 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 4 @PIT L 28-17 4 54 13.5 24 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 5 Bye
Week 6 @CLE L 34-17 3 37 12.3 18 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 7 DEN W 23-10 7 149 21.3 50 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 8 @TEN L 27-20 6 67 11.2 18 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 9 DAL W 26-3 8 74 9.3 23 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 10 @WAS W 17-10 6 89 14.8 34 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 11 PIT L 19-14 5 80 16.0 36 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 12 CLE W 58-48 10 117 11.7 46 1 1 9 9.0 9 0 0 0
Week 13 @BAL W 27-26 10 161 16.1 51 2 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 14 @NE L 35-28 5 80 16.0 27 1 1 10 10.0 10 0 0 0
Week 15 BUF L 33-17 2 10 5.0 7 0 1 2 2.0 2 0 0 0
Week 16 NYG W 23-22 8 46 5.8 10 2 0 0 0.0 0 0 1 0
Week 17 @PHI W 38-10 5 67 13.4 27 0 1 18 18.0 18 0 0 0

Finals stats - REC 95 | YDS 1,274 | TD 9

He held one of the best AFC recievers to just 10 yards and two short receptions with no touchdowns.

Nate Clements deserves a little more
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Hello Texans Fans I agree AJ is one of the best in The Nfl. I have watched for the past few seasons and seem him make some spectacular plays and solidify himself as a stud of the nfl but Nate Clements is a stud as well. Look what happened to Cincinniti's passing attack when they faced off against Buffalo last season. Chad Johnson was matched up against Nate Clements...

Week 1 @NYJ L 31-24 5 99 19.8 53 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 2 MIA W 16-13 3 45 15.0 20 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 3 BAL L 23-9 8 99 12.4 23 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 4 @PIT L 28-17 4 54 13.5 24 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 5 Bye
Week 6 @CLE L 34-17 3 37 12.3 18 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 7 DEN W 23-10 7 149 21.3 50 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 8 @TEN L 27-20 6 67 11.2 18 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 9 DAL W 26-3 8 74 9.3 23 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 10 @WAS W 17-10 6 89 14.8 34 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 11 PIT L 19-14 5 80 16.0 36 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 12 CLE W 58-48 10 117 11.7 46 1 1 9 9.0 9 0 0 0
Week 13 @BAL W 27-26 10 161 16.1 51 2 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Week 14 @NE L 35-28 5 80 16.0 27 1 1 10 10.0 10 0 0 0
Week 15 BUF L 33-17 2 10 5.0 7 0 1 2 2.0 2 0 0 0
Week 16 NYG W 23-22 8 46 5.8 10 2 0 0 0.0 0 0 1 0
Week 17 @PHI W 38-10 5 67 13.4 27 0 1 18 18.0 18 0 0 0

Finals stats - REC 95 | YDS 1,274 | TD 9

He held one of the best AFC recievers to just 10 yards and two short receptions with no touchdowns.

Nate Clements deserves a little more
Nate gets all the respect in the world from me. (Even if Dunta Robinson had better stats than him in just about every category.)

AJ is 3 inches taller,25 lbs heavier, better vertical and just as fast as Chad Johnson. Not taking anything away from Chad, he is a play maker but he is a totally different type of reciever, so comparing Nates success against him does not mean it is going to translate to AJ.

Nate will have to play a lot more physical with AJ than he did with Chad. Huge difference is Nate was bigger than Chad, but Nate is smaller than AJ. Plus at the very least Nate will be playing with a sore Shoulder. (Might be a factor.)
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Ive seen Clements play, he's poised to be in the elite category with Chris Mcalister and CHamp Baily this year. His overall cover skills is not as well, but he has a great knack for the ball, he reminds me of a tweener between Troy Vincent and Ty Law.

Andre Johnson vs. Nate Clements should be a beauty to watch.
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Clements is one of the best in the game...it's not going to be that easy.
Yeah... you cant just pop short routes at them, he's probably the best corner in the league to jump the route. He can be jumped over deep though, but more than likely Troy Vincent will be riding AJ's *** as well if they get that deep.
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As a Bills fan I fear AJ more than any other Texan player. He is a freak. I expect we'll keep Nate on him all day long and rotate a safety over to help out. That leaves McGee 1-on-1 with Bradford. McGee is a very good corner but he will give up some plays. Our front four better have a good day pressuring Carr to help McGee out a bit.

But I also have to say that my biggest concern is not any individual, not even AJ, so much as the Texans' secondary as a unit taking advantage of an inexperienced JP Losman. He's never seen speed like Robinson and Buchanan at Tulane. Hopefully he'll make some smart decisions and play as close to mistake-free football as possible, helping us get just enough points to win.
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Keep an eye on DRob when we go to a nickle or dime look. Often times he'll slide down to the slot, and Capers will send him on a blitz occasionaly. He's used much like Ronde Barber is in the Bucs system.

The Bills D is solid, and I expect David to see some pressure from them. Hopefully the OLine holds up long enough for David to find a few open receivers. I'm anxious to see how Gaff is going to do after having sat out most of the preseason. I think we'll be able to run enough to set up the PA passing game, but I fully expect it to be a close game right down to the end. I'd be surprised if it was decided by more than a touchdown.
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