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GP · 09-08-2005

Moderators: Please don't move this post. The player is not a Texan (yet) but he once was, and this post is about our KR position.

BRING BACK MOSES.

Maybe he hasn't brought one to the house, but he sure as heck was one of the top returners in the AFC last year.

Sure hands. Good judgment. Former Texan.

BRING BACK MOSES to lead our people through the Red Sea in Buffalo.

rmartin65 · 09-08-2005

i dont think so. mathis could be better

LBblitz · 09-08-2005

Why would you want to do that? Mathis is faster and could be actually used as a legitimate WR as opposed to JJ's special teams specialist. Dont get me wrong I liked JJ but it is time to move on.

AstroTexan · 09-08-2005

Little off topic, have they tried Lord at returning kicks, I remember he had explosive speed and agility running the option at Nebraska, that is what an athlete like he is here for to experiment with.
any other ideas?

Texas · 09-08-2005

Buchanon would be good. I like mathis for now though

HardKnockTexan · 09-08-2005

I'm all for Mathis too, but with him being doubtfull this week, Moses wouldnt be a bad pick up.

rmartin65 · 09-08-2005

mathis is questionable. 50/50

**Vinny** · 09-08-2005

Moses isn't coming back and we will be fine in our return game. I think part of why we released Swinton was due to Morency's explosiveness, quickness and cutting ability. I think we will have good depth without JJ.

Scooter · 09-08-2005

i'd love to have moses back but i really dont see it happening. what's funny though is the responses on who's going to return next are filled with "i think" and "could be". moses did. he didnt fumble, he gave us great field position, and heck he was just fun to watch. as i said last year & the year before, i'd rather have consistancy and field position rather than the possibility of one extra td a season (which, if not for penalties moses would have anyways).

**Vinny** · 09-08-2005

People use "I think" because we aren't privy to the decision making process. It's all speculation from the fans.

Hervoyel · 09-08-2005

Well you want to know what "I think"? I think that JJ was fun to watch but "I think" that he was at least as responsible for the penalties on returns as the guys trying to block for him. I never thought "The longer he stays up without being tackled the better chance he has of taking this one to the house". I always thought "The longer he stays on his feet the better chance we have of getting all this work called back on a penalty". Nobody ever knew where Moses was going, least of all the people blocking for him.

He was an entertaining player but in 2003-2004 we had the luxury of keeping him around and hoping he would break one. He was reliable if nothing else. Now we need a little more "conventional" return game because we're trying to win, not just entertain.

**infantrycak** · 09-08-2005

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Originally Posted by Vinny

Moses isn't coming back and we will be fine in our return game. I think part of why we released Swinton was due to Morency's explosiveness, quickness and cutting ability. I think we will have good depth without JJ.

Odd they didn't try him out in practice or a game if that is the case.

**infantrycak** · 09-08-2005

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Originally Posted by Hervoyel

Well you want to know what "I think"? I think that JJ was fun to watch but "I think" that he was at least as responsible for the penalties on returns as the guys trying to block for him.

Seems like we could argue over that except since he has been gone the penalties haven't gotten better and may have gotten worse. IMO the special teams play (our returning, not coverage so much) the last couple years has been extremely sub-par. The blocking was horrible for JJ with the wedge repeatedly get blown open and tons of meaningless away from the play penalties (that's another reason I don't tend to blame JJ for the penalties, because they very often weren't close to his immediate zone, they were general down field blocks in the backs and holds--just bad discipline). Now we have an epidemic of the same kind of penalties with non-JJ's back there. We'll see, unlike Ibar, I don't see our special teams providing a great % of our offense. As for JJ, I never particularly liked him for his excitement, but I loved his sure hands.

GP · 09-08-2005

Hey, I know it's kind of a lame idea....

But with a few days slowwwwwwwwwwwly passing by before we see the first Texans game, I figured it made for an interesting topic.

Morency is one of our RBs (probably the #2 guy) so why would we stick him out there against crazy kamikaze special teams guys who dive head first going as fast as they can? Sounds like an injury waiting to happen.

Then we'd be up a creek with our #2 RB out of the picture.

I'm all for players having dual roles in order to not take up an dextra roster spot...but we have nobody other than Buchanon who really has the experience of returning kicks.

Oh, I forgot...we HAD a couple of those guys (Moses and Swinton) but they weren't the "right fit." (Rolling my eyes).

Bring back MOSES.

Scooter · 09-08-2005

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Originally Posted by Vinny

People use "I think" because we aren't privy to the decision making process. It's all speculation from the fans.

"i think" wasnt aimed at your post. it was towards the ideas such as "i think mathis is our future #2 and automatically makes our special teams the best" and such. speculation on ability, not managerial decisions.

**Vinny** · 09-08-2005

np, I said, "I think" twice in the post above yours so I just thought you were talking about me.

HardKnockTexan · 09-09-2005

I'm not in the mindset of not playing a starter on special teams just to avoid injury. If he's the best in that possition then play him. Look at Rodney Harrison on the Pats. He's one of their top defenders and one of their top special teams players. If Morency is the best we have to return kicks... let him return kicks.

touttail · 09-09-2005

I agree with Hardknock. You shouldn't put a starter on returning kicks. Man, that's a great way to lose someone to an injury quick. Some of those guys go like freight trains down the field.

Bobby 119C

**Vinny** · 09-09-2005

Derrick Mason and Steve Smith have returned kicks for years. They are both key starters to their teams.

Exascor · 09-09-2005

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Originally Posted by touttail

I agree with Hardknock. You shouldn't put a starter on returning kicks. Man, that's a great way to lose someone to an injury quick. Some of those guys go like freight trains down the field.

Bobby 119C

As I stated in another thread: Rod Woodson and Deion Sanders

09-08-2005	#1
GP Go Texans! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: TEXAS! Posts: 17,747 Rep Power: 50138	Starting a petition for Texans Kick Returner Moderators: Please don't move this post. The player is not a Texan (yet) but he once was, and this post is about our KR position. BRING BACK MOSES. Maybe he hasn't brought one to the house, but he sure as heck was one of the top returners in the AFC last year. Sure hands. Good judgment. Former Texan. BRING BACK MOSES to lead our people through the Red Sea in Buffalo.

09-08-2005	#3
LBblitz Veteran Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Nacogdoches Age: 26 Posts: 168 Rep Power: 9	Why would you want to do that? Mathis is faster and could be actually used as a legitimate WR as opposed to JJ's special teams specialist. Dont get me wrong I liked JJ but it is time to move on. __________________ Insert catchy signature here.

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Vinny shiny happy fan Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 49 Posts: 20,714 Rep Power: 55750	Moses isn't coming back and we will be fine in our return game. I think part of why we released Swinton was due to Morency's explosiveness, quickness and cutting ability. I think we will have good depth without JJ. __________________ http://twitter.com/#!/TexansTalk "A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves" - Edward R. Murrow

09-08-2005	#9
Scooter Funky Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 33 Posts: 4,209 Rep Power: 11587	i'd love to have moses back but i really dont see it happening. what's funny though is the responses on who's going to return next are filled with "i think" and "could be". moses did. he didnt fumble, he gave us great field position, and heck he was just fun to watch. as i said last year & the year before, i'd rather have consistancy and field position rather than the possibility of one extra td a season (which, if not for penalties moses would have anyways). __________________

09-08-2005	#10
Vinny shiny happy fan Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 49 Posts: 20,714 Rep Power: 55750	People use "I think" because we aren't privy to the decision making process. It's all speculation from the fans. __________________ http://twitter.com/#!/TexansTalk "A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves" - Edward R. Murrow

09-08-2005	#2
rmartin65 I'm Score Join Date: Jul 2005 Age: 23 Posts: 7,498 Rep Power: 19221	i dont think so. mathis could be better

09-08-2005	#4
AstroTexan Rookie Join Date: Aug 2005 Age: 32 Posts: 13 Rep Power: 0	Little off topic, have they tried Lord at returning kicks, I remember he had explosive speed and agility running the option at Nebraska, that is what an athlete like he is here for to experiment with. any other ideas?

09-08-2005	#5
Texas Hall of Fame Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Clear Lake Age: 24 Posts: 1,030 Rep Power: 9	Buchanon would be good. I like mathis for now though

09-08-2005	#6
HardKnockTexan All Pro Join Date: Mar 2005 Age: 33 Posts: 576 Rep Power: 27	I'm all for Mathis too, but with him being doubtfull this week, Moses wouldnt be a bad pick up.

09-08-2005	#11
Hervoyel The Right Track Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 47 Posts: 12,872 Rep Power: 58358	Well you want to know what "I think"? I think that JJ was fun to watch but "I think" that he was at least as responsible for the penalties on returns as the guys trying to block for him. I never thought "The longer he stays up without being tackled the better chance he has of taking this one to the house". I always thought "The longer he stays on his feet the better chance we have of getting all this work called back on a penalty". Nobody ever knew where Moses was going, least of all the people blocking for him. He was an entertaining player but in 2003-2004 we had the luxury of keeping him around and hoping he would break one. He was reliable if nothing else. Now we need a little more "conventional" return game because we're trying to win, not just entertain. __________________ A wise man once said "...well at this point it's all been hashed out and you either see it or don't. Hoping for a win next week" - HTown2ATX

09-09-2005	#17
HardKnockTexan All Pro Join Date: Mar 2005 Age: 33 Posts: 576 Rep Power: 27	I'm not in the mindset of not playing a starter on special teams just to avoid injury. If he's the best in that possition then play him. Look at Rodney Harrison on the Pats. He's one of their top defenders and one of their top special teams players. If Morency is the best we have to return kicks... let him return kicks.

09-09-2005	#18
touttail All Pro Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Baytown Age: 58 Posts: 948 Rep Power: 9	I agree with Hardknock. You shouldn't put a starter on returning kicks. Man, that's a great way to lose someone to an injury quick. Some of those guys go like freight trains down the field. Bobby 119C

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