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Old 09-06-2005   #41
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I think its pretty safe to say that however you pair them up, the Bills WR's are more productive..... Johnson is only better than Moulds because he's younger
I dont see your point
Johnson- 1142yds 6TD's
Gaffney- 632yds 2TD's
Bradford- 399yds 3TD's
Domanick Davis 588yds 1TD's

Moulds- 1043yds 5 TD's
Evans- 843yds 9TD's
Reed- 153yds 0TD's
McGahee- 169yds 0TD's

Johnson > Moulds
Gaffney < Evans
Bradford > Reed
Davis > McGahee
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You'd take your secondary over the Bills? Again, I'm not debating, just looking for an unbiased answer and the reasoning behind it.
Honestly it depends if i was trying to win the superbowl this year. I would take the bills secondary. The Texans is much Younger and has the potential to be THE best.
Nate Clements in my opinion is the third best in the league behind Chris McAlister and Champ Bailey. Drob is arguably top five
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I'm not so sure Earl gets his spot back. I think Brown might be getting the nod to see if he can take the job from Earl who's played well as a rookie. Brown has been a pleasant surprise, and he's shows good range at SS. If he comes out against the Bills and flops I'm sure Earl gets his spot back JMO of course.

As far as the secondary I really do like the Texans secondary over the Bills, but not by much. DRob is well on his way to being one of the best CBs in the NFL, and Faggins is a very good NB who would be a starter on most teams. PBuch is a bit of a question mark. He's sort of like Clements in the fact that he gambles (sometimes he wins and sometimes he loses), but he's not near the tackler of Nate and doesn't have the same great instincts as Nate. I'm sure the Bills will be testing him anytime they put it in the air. We have Coleman back at FS, and this will be his second season playing that position. He looked like a natural back there last year, and I figure he'll improve this season. He's got a great nose for the ball. Overall they make for a very good secondary, and I think the Bills aren't too far behind them. Of course the Bills have a good pass rush so that will help make their secondary look even better. The Texans have shown signs of improvement in the pass rush department (watch #98 Peek closely he's fun to watch), but we won't know for sure till Sunday if all the added blitzes will be effective. I hope so.
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And Clemens is the best corner in the league based on? Robinson was a rookie, early in the year all quartebacks were throwing to him and staying away from Glenn's side. BY about midway through the season they were throwing to Glenn and staying away from Robinson. Because he was a rookie and teams planned to consitently attack him until they got burned ( 6 picks), there is no real way to determine how good Dunta really is. He might be the next great Deion ( there is always hope for Texan fans) or he might just be a a good corner. I think this season will tell a lot more about his potenatial than the last...

Let me preface this by saying Deion is sick, one of my favorite players who wasn't a Bill, but since you brough him up..Clements is on his way to being the next Deion, Nates not quite as fast, but 100X more physical.... check it:

First four years -

Deion: 89 Tackles, 1 Sack, 17 INT's 3TD's, 3 Forced Fumbles

Deion also had 2 Punt returns for TD's

Nate: 263 Tackles, 1.5 Sacks, 18 INT's 4TD's, 8 Forced Fumbles

Nate also had 2 Punt returns for TD's


See what I mean.... You should hope Dunta is the next nate clements. And he might be.
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Its a little early to compare Nate or Drob to Deion
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Deion has never been known as a physical player.

Dunta's stats from one year are:

87 tackles
3 FF (two were returned for scores)
6 INT
3 sacks
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Its a little early to compare Nate or Drob to Deion

How so, Nates been putting up Deion numbers since he was a rookie... Four years is forever in the NFL.

Deion was a better shut down, less big plays, But nate is better at tackling and stuffing the run.

Why the hard time recognizing greatness? Dunta's sick, but he's gotta put together years and years, and he probably will.
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Deion has never been known as a physical player.

Dunta's stats from one year are:

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6 INT
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Thats sick, if he does it again I'll be a believer. I see this Sunday.
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No argument that Nate is a great. However to compare him to deion is like comparing AJ to Jerry Rice...Its just too early to tell...
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I really don't want DRob to be the next Nate (no offense). I'd prefer he be DRob. One of the better things about him is that he's also a very good cover guy, to go along with his physical style of play and playmaker skills. Should be a fun game to watch.
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IMO with Deion you could just throw him out there and not worry about that side of the field for the rest of the game. He would have had more ints, TDs, and tackles if QBs were not afraid of throwing at him. Also I dont think that there is a CB in the league that compares to Deion.
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Im doing a fantasy draft on madden 06. I thought you might like that my first two picks were Nate clements and Takeo Spikes
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DRob nor Nate Clements have the cover ability of a Deion Sanders. It's safe to say that they will never meet that level either.

Clements game is more like Troy Vincent and Drob's game is similar to Ronde Barber. But neither posses the agility, footspeed, and cover ability of a Deion Sanders.
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Lucky for us none of this matters since games aren't won on paper.

There isn't a single CB in the NFL right now that is as good as Deion was. Deion didn't have to tackle anyone because teams rarely ever threw to his side of the field.
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You're a troll dude, I'm not mad that would eb pointless. I know alot about my team, where do you come off saying things like you know more than me. You know nothing about me except my post name and my age. you know more about Buffalo, but not about Houston. Get off your high horse.
I know alot about both teams. I have been to and watched plenty of Texan games (living in Texas) and follow the Texans almost as close as I follow the Bills. WXP speaks the truth.
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Dunta and Nate are both easily top ten CB's as of right now. The one thing that Nate has over Dunta is experience and alittle more size. I have nothing but respect for Dunta and he is one of my favorite players. BTW he should have been Defensive Rookie of the Year last year.
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First...Evans may not have had a whole league of games to cover his stats but neither did gaffney or bradford. They switched out alot and we have another now who is all about speed (mathis)...
DD and W.M. are about even
Carr is more experienced and a little bit better
Our Secondary is better by a small margin.
I beleive our Linebackers are even
Yalls OL and DL are both better.

Texans I beleive will win this or lose this by a close margin
I must disagree with you on several points. First LB's. Well nevermind that I know your just joking.

CB's - P. Buch is a joke, he was the laughing stock of Raider Nation and will always be known as a first round bust.

I would take Carr over Losman right now since Losman has never started a game.

Our OL's are pretty evenly matched if you ask me.

And I dont feel that Davis is in the same league with Willis.

Just my opinions, Im entitled to them just like you are to yours.

Oh well, thankfully we wont have to wait too long.
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DRob nor Nate Clements have the cover ability of a Deion Sanders. It's safe to say that they will never meet that level either.

Clements game is more like Troy Vincent and Drob's game is similar to Ronde Barber. But neither posses the agility, footspeed, and cover ability of a Deion Sanders.

In my 30+ years of watching Football ..... I dont think Ive ever seen a corner with Deon's cover ability .
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In my 30+ years of watching Football ..... I dont think Ive ever seen a corner with Deon's cover ability .
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Dude, just from reading this thread, you are the one that is acting more like the troll. He isn't coming to our board and trashing anyone, he is saying what he believes and doing so in a calm and mature manner. Your bashing of him is more in the lines of what we call trolls. There are alot of us Texans fans that like to debate with fans of other teams like him.

Honestly, I was enjoying this thread until you started. I think your input has actually degraded this thread. Just my opinion.

Where have i bashed the guy? please give an example. 991 posts and this is the first time i've been called a troll.

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