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Old 09-03-2005   #61
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But who has he been playing against??
we know how banks did 2 years ago and we know how ragone did in europe.

but how have they done in camp and in the preseason? that is what im looking at and that is what i would base my decision on to move ragone to the number 2. as for banks? keep him at number 3 or find someone else.

i just dont want banks to come in this season if carr goes down and play like he did in the preseason. if we do base it on preseason, i want to see ragone in there with the rest of the 1st teamers.
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I don't understand how they can cut Swinton. We realeased Moses because we wanted a guy that could take it to the house and play reciever. So what does Swinton do? He takes one to the house and he catches a touchdown pass. WTF are they thinking? I've tried to be positive through all of the moves this offseason, but this one just makes me scratch my head a bit...
i think that they think that mathis and pbuc can take it to the house.
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I have to say I am absolutely livid on us cutting... no.. it aint us... the texans cutting Sloan. Not only has he had several awesome plays and showed a huge amount of maturity, but he has been majorly giving a effort which I have seen disappear from some other folks... In addition, he was becoming a playmaker imo. I can see Swinton being cut.. but I feel we.. errrr the texans have made a HUGE error here... Dont tell me he will make the practice squad.. He will get picked up quickly from another team easy. I have NEVER bashed a coach here, but this was a STUPID move. Needless to say, I am quite bitter/
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i think that they think that mathis and pbuc can take it to the house.
i think that tmac48 thinks that they didnt need to risk putting a starting CB back there.

jk. i dont want to put words in tmac48s mouth. that was just how i feel. yes i agree mathis and pbuc can take it back all the way, but its just that risk. well see how that pans out this season though.
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Most 3rd backs around the league play mainly special teams. Guys like Kerry Carter, Arlen Harris, & Eric Bickerstaff hang on year to year but never get much PT when it comes to the standard offense, but they all have a role on special teams and as an emergency back.
Let's get this straight... he is the 4th back, not 3rd.
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i think that they think that mathis and pbuc can take it to the house.
But they KNOW that Swinton can take it to the house.
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Let's get this straight... he is the 4th back, not 3rd.
Lets get this more straight.. he is what? 175 ibs of a special teams player who run into the punt returner.. So he aint even that good at that either..
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Let's get this straight... he is the 4th back, not 3rd.
get it as straight as you want....semantics
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get it as straight as you want....semantics
I've got it straight, just trying to help you out.

Bottom line is that the guy is garbage on offense and does not contribute on special teams. If they needed to keep a good special teams player they should have kept Starling. At least that guy contributed.

This was a political decision to save face for wasting a 2nd round pick on a defensive back that never proved anything as a running back.
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I'm confused as all of you about Sloan, but I'm pumped to see Shantee Orr make the team. He's got good size and a good motor and he was able to pressure the QB off the practice squad last year. If Peek goes down between Orr and Anderson I don't think there will be much of a drop off. Go Blue!!
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??? Are you #$%^ kidding me? We should have one more WR and one more CB than we do right now. You leave a one man cover in certain slots but have 3 centers and four HB's? Oh come oooooooooon! We couldn't drop Drew Hogdon, Brandon Evans or Tony Hollings, possibly Corey Bradford to keep Sloan and a cornerback? I don't understand why you would let a SS or FS fill a CB spot. C.C. Brown might be able to pull it but man listen... I hope this works out cause I'm feeling sick right now.
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While I'm disappointed in Hollings performance this pre-season, I suspect that the team wants to give him 1 more year (they must think he's really special) to prove himself. After all, this'll be the first year that he's been completely healed. The same will hold true for Joppru, if he can get, & stay, healthy through next year.

I just hope that Capers isn't making personnel decisions based on him keeping his job, only.

By the way, did anyone notice that Wesley Britt was cut by San Diego? I know he's recovering from an injury, but he might be worth picking up.
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But who has he been playing against?? The answer to that is NFLE players, 3rd and 4th stringers. Banks has proven himself in regular-season games against actual NFL starters. His 3 starts in 2003 included wins over NFC champion Carolina, Atlanta, as well an overtime loss to Super Bowl champion New England.
You're very right. Banks has proven himself. He proven himself to be terrible.
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While I'm disappointed in Hollings performance this pre-season, I suspect that the team wants to give him 1 more year (they must think he's really special) to prove himself.
I think it's more so that Davis & Wells are still a little banged up. If & when they're completely healthy, Hollings may be on shaky ground.
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??? Are you #$%^ kidding me? We should have one more WR and one more CB than we do right now. You leave a one man cover in certain slots but have 3 centers and four HB's? Oh come oooooooooon! We couldn't drop Drew Hogdon, Brandon Evans or Tony Hollings, possibly Corey Bradford to keep Sloan and a cornerback? I don't understand why you would let a SS or FS fill a CB spot. C.C. Brown might be able to pull it but man listen... I hope this works out man cause I'm feeling sick right now.
Why is no one talking about Lewis Sanders? This guy has been toasted the entire preseason.

I'm convinced that there is no sense of urgency to win this year. There is no way that Sanders, Hollings, Banks and Bradford have earned their way onto this team during the preseason. It's a shame that the guys who actually make plays (Swinton, Thomas, Chamberlin) get cut while these underperformers keep getting a paycheck. Keep the politics in Austin.

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I've got it straight, just trying to help you out.

Bottom line is that the guy is garbage on offense and does not contribute on special teams. If they needed to keep a good special teams player they should have kept Starling. At least that guy contributed.

This was a political decision to save face for wasting a 2nd round pick on a defensive back that never proved anything as a running back.
Ditto for me. This was a face saving decision. Nothing more, nothing less. Hollings has done zero to distinguish himself. Hopefully, Wells will be the #3 back, and Hollings will be inactive on game days, as Wells is a better RB, and ST player than Hollings, and can also play some at FB. I am as perplexed and disapointed as most of the others here about the cuts...both those made, as well as those not made.

Now that we are at the end of the road of the offseason, from FA signings, trades, releases, draft, cuts, etc., I have to say I am hugely disapointed overall in this opffseaon. The list is too long. Suffice it to say, I have disagreed with almost every major, and many minor decisisons they have made this year. Time will tell, and I will wait for the season to play out, but I am moving my prediction down to 7-9, and I feel that may now be generous. I feel like the team has taken a step back, and IF I am right, I will be one that will be calling for changes to coaches, and potentially the front office. I think Mcnair will be feeling the heat of dedicated and VERY patient fans like myself, if my prediction comes to fruition. I sincerely hope I am wrong.
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Why is no one talking about Lewis Sanders? This guy has been toasted the entire preseason.

I'm convinced that there is no sense of urgency to win this year. Their is no way that Sanders, Hollings, Banks and Bradford have earned their way onto this team during the preseason. It's a shame that the guys who actually make plays (Swinton, Thomas, Chamberlin) get cut while these underperformers keep getting a paycheck. Keep the politics in Austin.
I'm not sure if we share the same brain or not...but Ditto again.
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On a couple of the cuts:

Swinton: Yes, he was the best return man and can contribute as a Wr, but he will never be more than a 4th WR barring injury. Mathis will improve as a returner and has potential to be a legitimate NFL WR, not just a fill-in type.

Hollings: Besides the fact that Tony has figured out he needs to play special teams, there really is not a 3rd or 4th Rb in camp that was better than him. The numbers just worked in his favor.

Thomas: While he had catches and yards was any of it in the first half or against a number one defense? I don't think so. He also is a repeat of Armstrong in terms of his overall skill package. Most likely (not guaranteed) he will clear to the practice squad and continue to develop for the future.

Bradford: Not a big fan, but not convinced as some here that Armstrong, Mathis or Thomas are better than him at this point in thier careers. I am guessing that we have only one more year to whine about his presence on the team.
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This was a political decision to save face for wasting a 2nd round pick on a defensive back that never proved anything as a running back.
Ive already responded to this comment once but I will do it again.

There is NO logic in calling this a "political move"

for one.. the majority of Texans fans do not even know who Hollings is. he has never been a big name and the only people who know who he is or what we spent on him are the hardcore fans.

for two.. how can you say ANYTHING that the Texans organization has done is "political" when we just got finished cutting Sharper, Foreman, and Glenn? It is pretty dang obvious that we are willing to do whatever it takes to make this a good football team.. regardless of whether or not it is a "politically" positive move.

Please.. stop spreading such stupid rumors.

bottom line is that we did not have enough depth at RB and FB to let Hollings go.
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I don't understand why you would let a SS or FS fill a CB spot. C.C. Brown might be able to pull it but man listen... I hope this works out man cause I'm feeling sick right now.
Keep in mind that Simmons has the ability to play CB if needed, and he does a decent job at it.


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Why is no one talking about Lewis Sanders? This guy has been toasted the entire preseason.
I, and others, mentioned his poor play after the Raiders game as well. If McKenzie isn't hobbled by the hamstring injury we're probably talking about him making it as a 4th CB, but then again he might have still got cut since he'd be PS elligible whereas Sanders isn't.
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