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Old 06-28-2004   #1
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espn reported that mike williams has dropped his agent...enrolled back at USC in summer school and is submitting request to be allowed back into NCAA football...

do you as fans of the game believe he should be allowed back into college football or not?

and do you as fans believe him to be the best college football player entering the 2004/2005 season?

personally i would allow him back into the college ball for two reasons...one it gives the general public a superstar if you will at the college level...
and two because he's done everything you would expect a player of his caliber to do in the situation he was in...
he followed what everyone told him to do and got dealt a bad hand...give the kid a break...

he is the best reciever in college ball i don't think he's the best college football player...personally i think that honor goes to (you longhorn fans have no idea how much it sickens me to say this) derrick johnson...he's been dominating since his freshman year...and i know personally he's been a thorn in the red raider's side for three going on four years...but oh well there's my two cents
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Mike Williams got a raw deal. He was lead astray by the NFL into believing he could go into the draft and so deserves to be allowed back into school.
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Mike Williams got a raw deal. He was lead astray by the NFL into believing he could go into the draft and so deserves to be allowed back into school.
He should be allowed back to college because he played by the rules presented to him the entire time--the rules just kept changing. The NFL did not lead him astray however--they maintained consistantly that they were opposing an alteration of the three year rule and would pursue all available appeals to maintain the rule. Where Williams got hurt was by the trial judge not granting stay of her ruling pending the NFL's appeal--a stay would have allowed him to never be in this situation because he could have just waited on the court of appeals' ruling before hiring an agent.
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He should be allowed back to college because he played by the rules presented to him the entire time--the rules just kept changing.
I do not agree and I do not think he should have his eligiblity restored.

The NCAA eligibility rules didn't change, the NFL rules changes. He was wronged, but by the NFL. The NFL should satisfy him (supplimental draft or suit), not college football.

If he is allowed to play college football it will further confirm (in my mind) that college football acts in collusion with the NFL to maintain a wildly profitable (for the NFL and some colleges and college coaches) system of 'minor league' development, with out fairly compensating the players (compare the compensation of baseball players by MLB).

If they let him back in USC, then some other student athlete (who is less likely to ever get a professional contract), who actually attended classes in the spring, will lose his scholarship so that the following year Williams can make even more millions above what he will otherwise get.
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I do not agree and I do not think he should have his eligiblity restored.

The NCAA eligibility rules didn't change, the NFL rules changes. He was wronged, but by the NFL. The NFL should satisfy him (supplimental draft or suit), not college football.
Well, I confess I wasn't thinking about the NCAA rules which did not change. I would still disagree with the assertion that the NFL wronged him in any fashion. Their position was the same throughout. The trial judge ordered the NFL to let him in over the NFL's consistant objection and request for a stay so I don't see where the NFL has any reason to satisfy him. I can definitely see as a reasonable position that the NCAA and NFL neither did anything wrong and were consistant in their positions so Williams is the one that took the gamble knowing the NFL would appeal and so he should be the one that pays by not playing in either for a year.
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I think Williams should be allowed back in school. I don't think it'll happen, but if it does I think he will easily be the most dominant player in NCAA football. He's a monster with velcro hands. Certain death in the red zone.
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True .. the NFL kept changing the rules, but they are the ones who enticed him to come out..and they are the ones who got him into the dangling position. Unlike Clarett, it just seems unfair to me, to punish Williams for doing what he presumed was a legit situation.
I think he deserves to be reinstated at USC. From reports circulating, he should be able to get back in ..assuming he takes care of the summer school makeup stuff. ..and unless there are some more ever-changing rules put in place to hamper that.
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I wouldnt be angry if the NCAA let him back in or didnt.
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I think he should NOT be allowed to play football again. He knew the NFL was fighting this. He decided to hire an agent sealing the deal. Now if he wants to just go to school, that is fine. There is no redo button on this topic. He made the mistake. Now live with it.
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I say they do let him in.
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i'm having a hard time understanding why so many of ya'll would prefer him not be allowed back into college football...at the time of this...one judge had ruled in favor of clarett...and everyone and i mean everyone was telling this kid to go to the nfl...lincoln kennedy was on BDSP and said that mike williams was the only sophomore he thought was ready to go to the nfl and would like to see him as a raider...clarett is a different story...i do not believe clarett should be allowed back into college football but that's not because he went against the nfl

my reasons for clarett not being allowed back is simply his legal troubles with the law...williams has done nothing wrong and i hope the ncaa realizes this and allows him to come back to the trojans
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He retained an agent, on violation of the NCAArules that apply to every other college student.

Why should he get such special treatment. College Football is amateur, students, not students plus Williams, 'cause he's fun to watch.'
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i think no matter how you slice things Williams was in a tough spot. He is from the low end of the economic scale and has a pretty strong possibility of a big time payday put in front of him. How many of us as Sophomores in college would have done the same thing.

The NFL did fully let him know their position and intention to appeal the lower court ruling. Williams took the bet, which quite a few folks believed he would win, and came up short. I honestly thought that the minute an underclassman challenged the draft rules they would win, I was wrong too.

Williams did follow the letter of the law, albeit the letters kept changing. If the NCAA lets him in or not it won't bug me too much. I personally think the best path here is the NFL conducting a supplemental draft. I agree that the NFL is getting a free farm system and that they are in fact joined at the hip with the NCAA on this. I also agree that players should be compensated, particularly when you look at the revenue streams that they generate for their schools vs. the cost of letting a kid go to class and pay his room&board.
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One thing they are afraid of is that if the NCAA lets him back onto the team, then they will be liable for all the other kids the didn't allow to come back.

Williams knew the consequences, and did it anyways. If you cheat on your significant other, be prepared for the consequences.
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Mike Williams got a raw deal. He was lead astray by the NFL into believing he could go into the draft and so deserves to be allowed back into school.
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The NCAA eligibility rules didn't change, the NFL rules changes. He was wronged, but by the NFL. The NFL should satisfy him (supplimental draft or suit), not college football.
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True .. the NFL kept changing the rules, but they are the ones who enticed him to come out..and they are the ones who got him into the dangling position.
1. How did the NFL lead him astray into believing he could go into the draft? It wasn't the NFL's decision to allow underclassmen into the draft...it was a judge's.

2. True the NFL rules were changing. But who was changing them? The league certainly never compromised their position...everybody knew where they stood all along. If you want to put blame on the rules changing...blame the courts.

3. Again...how did the league "entice" him to come out? They didn't tell him that if he came out some team would pick him in the first round. Nobody had to tell him that...he already knew it. The league can't promise anything to anybody.

I do believe he should be allowed back into school and back on the field. He only did what he thought (at the time) was what he'd be able to do. He'd have a stronger case had he not hired an agent (before you're drafted, what's the point of having one?). But there's not much he can do about that now.

I don't believe any blame should be laid at the feel of the NFL. Like Williams, they were only doing what they were told they were allowed to do (first they had to let underclassmen in...then they didn't). But their position never changed.
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There is no redo button on this topic. He made the mistake. Now live with it.
You mean just like in real life? eek:
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