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Old 08-31-2005   #1
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Is anyone worried about David Carr's performance after the cowgirls game, two picks again. either he looks really good one week or really bad, I hope this is not sign of things to come of David Carr, the News talks more about David's Hair than his ability to play the game. On the other hand David's other 2002 draft partner did not fair so well this week Joey Harrington. Please someone tell me he is going to be great and not a first round dropout like Tim Couch of the Cleveland Browns 1999 1st draft. I hope and pray that he is our franchise QB like Peyton is to the Colts.
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Joey Harrington took a beating aganist the Rams , Their O-line had a HORRIBLE game . Its real hard to look good as a QB when you spend that much time picking yourself up off the turf or running for your life . We should all know that from watching Carr the past three seasons .
As for Carr .... He will be fine as long as he gets time to throw . Only one int was the result of a poor decision the other should be chalked up to the reciever . (Matt Murphy)
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He's 10 times what Harrington is. Harringtons main problem is he lets critism get to him, all Carr needs is not to get sacked.
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I hope he will be ok, like you said I know if they ever cut him my oldest daughter would be in tears. She loves Her David Carr, pretty bad my six year old hates seeing him run for his life on gameday.
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I hope he will be ok, like you said I know if they ever cut him my oldest daughter would be in tears. She loves Her David Carr, pretty bad my six year old hates seeing him run for his life on gameday.
That's great a six year old knows trouble on the football field. They don't cut #1 overall picks. Ever.

They just don't always protect them......
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That's great a six year old knows trouble on the football field. They don't cut #1 overall picks. Ever.

They just don't always protect them......
They may not protect them but they sure do cut them .... see Tim Couch
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Is anyone worried about David Carr's performance after the cowgirls game, two picks again. either he looks really good one week or really bad, I hope this is not sign of things to come of David Carr, the News talks more about David's Hair than his ability to play the game. On the other hand David's other 2002 draft partner did not fair so well this week Joey Harrington. Please someone tell me he is going to be great and not a first round dropout like Tim Couch of the Cleveland Browns 1999 1st draft. I hope and pray that he is our franchise QB like Peyton is to the Colts.
Carr will not be Couch. He will not be Peyton either. He will be David Carr. Capers said he is not worried. He saw, as we did, that they were just out of synch, and off with their timing. We saw them drive down the field with ease in game 1 and 2.
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I think he'll be okay. But I was just looking at his pre-season stats and they are quite alarming...

14 of 29 (48.3%), 110 yards, 1 TD, 2 INTs, 40.9 rating

What's bad is that he's only been sacked once. And as it was pointed out by dalemurphy in another thread, that sack came when he was scrambling and got tackled just before the LOS. 'Course, sacks aren't the only measure of the pressure a QB is facing.

His 48.3% completion percentage wouldn't be as bad if he were pressured a lot and was throwing the ball downfield often. But his average per attempt is only 3.8 (for those wondering...that's really, really, short).

I only saw him in the Cowboys game so I don't know how he looked in the other games. But it's always hard to tell how well/bad a player will do based on pre-season. He'll find his groove after playing often enough. Hard to get any kind of rythym going when you're only playing 2 qtrs a week.

I don't think you're going to have to worry about him becoming another Tim Couch. But I also don't hope you're waiting on him to become another Peyton Manning.
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14 of 29 (48.3%), 110 yards, 1 TD, 2 INTs, 40.9 rating

His 48.3% completion percentage wouldn't be as bad if he were pressured a lot and was throwing the ball downfield often. But his average per attempt is only 3.8 (for those wondering...that's really, really, short).
Not you Huge, but folks in general need to settle down a little. Of the 29 attempts at least 4 to arguably 6 were drops by WR's or TE's plus 1 INT was either no one's fault (good play by Nguyen) or the TE's fault--the other INT was a horrible choice by Carr. The pre-season gives such a small sample that little things can really skew the results. For instance give Carr the 4 drops and he is at 62% completion with 6 he is at 69%--either way, very respectable. His QB rating is similarly skewed.
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Carr will be exactly what he is, a mediocre, average, starting NFL QB. He won't ever be a Payton Manning. He also won't be a Tim Couch. What he will be is 'servicable'. He will do alright with Caper's style of playing Defensive football and not allowing turnovers. He won't ever be a Payton Manning, take winning the game on my shoulders, type of QB. He just doesn't have the skills for that.
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They may not protect them but they sure do cut them .... see Tim Couch
Poor Tim. He was such a bust I forgot about him. I stand corrected.

But David Carr sure isn't Tim Couch. He's not Peyton, but he is closer to that end of the grade curve.
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Poor Tim. He was such a bust I forgot about him. I stand corrected.

But David Carr sure isn't Tim Couch. He's not Peyton, but he is closer to that end of the grade curve.
Statistically, Carr and Couch are pretty close their first three years. They both started for expansion teams with bad lines.

Tim Couch 39 Td's in his first 3 years. David Carr 34

Tim Couch 188 yards per game started his first 3 years. David Carr 189 yards per game started.

Tim Couch 75 lifetime passer rating. David Carr 72.5

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Yea, I expect Capers is gonna let him go with the rest of the players in the
Texans' second cut this week because of his performance in Irving this past Satirday night. His NFL career is definitely on the downside and sinking fast.
DC may soon end up being a used car saleman just to make ends meet financialy.
C'mon, it was a meaningless exhibition game that had nothing to do with anything, can't you comprehend that ? Just be a little patient until a week from Sunday in Buffalo, then it starts to happen for real.
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The second interception was a bobbled catch that should have been caught...an otherwise great throw. The first was just a great play by Williams. Carr said after the game he would throw that ball again the same way if given a chance. If you look at the replay Johnson got caught on his back foot. If he had been coming back towards the ball he would have beat Williams to it.
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Carr said after the game he would throw that ball again the same way if given a chance.
and in that statement lies the best example of why Carr will never be a Payton Manning. Some QB's learn from their mistakes, Carr doesn't. That was a horrendous pass that should have NEVER been thrown and it wasn't some kind of great play Williams. Bad decision, that judging from Carr's reported statement, that Carr still doesn't understand.
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Carr will be exactly what he is, a mediocre, average, starting NFL QB. He won't ever be a Payton Manning. He also won't be a Tim Couch. What he will be is 'servicable'. He will do alright with Caper's style of playing Defensive football and not allowing turnovers. He won't ever be a Payton Manning, take winning the game on my shoulders, type of QB. He just doesn't have the skills for that.
The skills or the mental makeup? I don't disagree, but he wasn't drafted #1 overall because of a lack of skills.
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oh Carr has all the Physical skills anyone could ask for, and they made him a #1 pick. But the boy is a slow learner, IMHO. His ability to make quick judgements or decisions is non-existant. And don't even get me started on his ability to adapt/adjust the play once in motion. So I guess a more accurate statement would be the 'mental ability', Porky.

Carr will be in his 4th season and he just doesn't seem to 'git it'. His audibles at the line usually turn out to be horrendous plays that go no where, or worse, lose yardage.

People can bust on Chris Palmer and his play calling, but you gotta ask yourself also, how much of the playbook does Chris Palmer think that David Carr can actually execute. It is one of those 'what came first, the chicken or the egg' questions.

I'm guessing that Chris Palmer is 'salivating at the mouth' to bust open the playbook, but he just doesn't have the leadership on the field to allow it.
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I don't know but maybe if I had a 320 pound guy chasing me full speed I might make a bad throw every now and then.

He's like every other QB in the league. Give him time to throw and he'll find those open receivers. Flush him out of the pocket and he's on his own. Running for his life or making poor throws.
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I think Couch, if his elbow can get healthy, might make a little bit of a resurgence with a team that has a good running game. Couch's primary problem was his td/int ratio but I don't think his career is done.
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DC is just starting to scratch the surface of his talent and success level. Three years running around the way he has for a team just getting off the ground will lay the framework for what I believe should be a great career barring injury. To judge him on what he has done so far seems highly premature since most qb's struggle their first few years in the league (Troy aikman and Peyton Manning ring a bell). I'm not saying he'll necessarily succeed the way they have but you get the point. Same with the Texans in general you don't put together a playoff team overnight with some fa's and mostly league newcomers. The fun is just getting started hold on for what is about to be an incredible ride!!
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