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Old 09-04-2005   #81
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The one guy I would like to see us pick up is Johnathan Goddard. He could be a nice edge rusher for us.
He looked pretty good for the Lions.
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Swinton's purpose was NOT to be a WR first. His roster spot was to be a kick returner first, then a WR.

He fills out a roster spot primarily as a kick returner, but (and stay with me here, ok?) he can also GASP! plug into the depth chart as a WR if we need him.

Mathis is a WR first, then a KR. Buchanon is a CB first, then a KR. They both have primary roster spots, but can also go as KR. Swinton could have been designated the KR, but could also serve as a WR in a crunch.

It could have been a win-win situation if you ask me.

The guy took a kick to the house, which has never been done. We cut JJ because he couldn't take one to the house. I guess that should help JJ feel better to know that even a guy we brought in to replace him still got cut even after returning a kick for a score.

In addition, Swinton showed that he can catch a pass, a TD pass, in a pressure situation with our first team unit. The coaches didn't have Swinton in the vast majority of plays this preseason because there are soooo many other WRs that DON'T return kicks (like Swinton does) and needed to get the reps so the coaches could see them play.

But when the guy was in there, he did something we rarely saw this preseason....catch a TD pass.

That's my argument. I don't know how much clearer I can get it.

We might just have to agree to disagree, and that's OK.
He returned a a kick fdor a score in teh second half of teh second preseason game also known as garbage time.

As for Swinton's purpose, who HAVE to factor in what Swinton can do outside of kick returns; because for the first time in this tema's history we have enough depth to not carry a specialist like Swinton, or Holling (but thats a rant for another time). And if yuo go back and LOOK at the stats for teh preseason games, the TD pass was teh only one Swinton caught (and he probaly wouldn't have even been in the game except for Gaff injury).

P-Buc ahd proven to be an electric reutn man in the league, now do I want one of teh startign CBs to be returning kicks? I not so sure that it is that big of a risk; but if you don't want him to return kicks Mathis proved that he was better at it then Swinton ( and he is a better WR then Swinton).

And FYI you were clear, but so was I. Swinton is NOT a good enough of a reutrn man or reciever to bet out the guys on the 53 man roster.

Ask yourself this; Is Reggie Swinton as good fo a returned as Dante Hall? Because Hall is the only dedicated return man I can think of on any NFL 53 man roster.
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Ask yourself this; Is Reggie Swinton as good fo a returned as Dante Hall? Because Hall is the only dedicated return man I can think of on any NFL 53 man roster.
D.Hall is also the Chiefs 3rd reciever

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TEYO JOHNSON

guys this is a 6'6 260lbs former second round pick. Was from the same draft and round as Joppru but many people had him ranked higher. Just 23 years old. former wideout who has been working on his blocking. Think Billy Miller plus 4 inches and 30 pounds. which alone will make him a better blocker. Would be our best tight end on the roster.
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Didn't we just release a player in his mold?

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TE Teyo Johnson, Oakland (experience: two seasons): A second-round choice in the 2003 draft, the former Stanford standout never quite developed into the player Raiders coaches thought might dominate the middle of the field. More a receiver than a blocker, he nonetheless had only 23 catches in 24 appearances over two seasons, and eventually fell into coach Norv Turner's doghouse. At 6-feet-6 and 260 pounds, though, and with the basketball-type skills teams covet at the position, he'll be intriguing to someone.

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HothBoy,

Swinton's purpose was NOT to be a WR first. His roster spot was to be a kick returner first, then a WR.

He fills out a roster spot primarily as a kick returner, but (and stay with me here, ok?) he can also GASP! plug into the depth chart as a WR if we need him.

Mathis is a WR first, then a KR. Buchanon is a CB first, then a KR. They both have primary roster spots, but can also go as KR. Swinton could have been designated the KR, but could also serve as a WR in a crunch.

It could have been a win-win situation if you ask me.

The guy took a kick to the house, which has never been done. We cut JJ because he couldn't take one to the house. I guess that should help JJ feel better to know that even a guy we brought in to replace him still got cut even after returning a kick for a score.

In addition, Swinton showed that he can catch a pass, a TD pass, in a pressure situation with our first team unit. The coaches didn't have Swinton in the vast majority of plays this preseason because there are soooo many other WRs that DON'T return kicks (like Swinton does) and needed to get the reps so the coaches could see them play.

But when the guy was in there, he did something we rarely saw this preseason....catch a TD pass.

That's my argument. I don't know how much clearer I can get it.

We might just have to agree to disagree, and that's OK.

It's not quite that simple. The one thing that you're leaving out of your assessment, is that JJ didn't have the speed to take it to the house. P-Buc, Mathis, & Swinton all have the speed to take it to the house at any given time.

Now, stay with me here, returns for TD's are very rare in the NFL (2,155 Kickoff returns for 17 TD's last year). That's 1 TD for every 126.76 returns, or less than 1% (.8%) of the time. Everything has to fall into place, such as, all key blocks need to be made, the opposing team making at least one mistake in coverage, the kicker out kicking his coverage, & no one getting flagged on the return. There are other variables as well, but if you've stayed with me, I'm sure you get the point.

P-Buc has great speed & has returned 3 punts for TD's in his career. That tells me he knows what he's doing on punt returns.

Mathis is arguably, the fastest man in the NFL. His only question mark is, since he has no NFL experience returning kicks, does he have the instincts/intelligence to return kicks with the big boys? In college, he returned 62 kickoffs for 1648 yards (26.6 avg.) & 6 TD's. Now, that doesn't necessarily translate into him being a great returner in the NFL, but his 9 returns for an average of (19.56) yards per return this preseason is only (7.34 ypr) behind the best the NFL had to offer last year (26.9 ypr), & those averages include several long returns. I realize that, that was against a lot of 2nd & 3rd stringers, but even still, you have to have some skills to get even that at the NFL level. Also, I'm sure you remember his 51 yard punt return in the Dallas game. Given an opening, the kid has the speed to take it to the house.

Now, Swinton's 7 returns for an average of (30.86 ypr) is quite impressive, until you leave out the 1 return for 102 yards (19.0 ypr). Swinton didn't even rank in the top 30 in the NFL last year at (22.8 ypr) & no TD's.

I would've loved to have kept Swinton as well, but with roster spots at a premium, if you have 3 guys that can do the same job & 2 of those guys can do their regular jobs better than the 3rd does his job, then it's a no brainer.
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Kick returns typically come against 2nd and 3rd stringers anyway, so that isn't really relevant. I remember reading something Parcells said, about how if he thinks a guy is a great college returner, it generally translate equally to the pros. And that's coming from a guy that knows what he's talking about.
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what about the now former greenbay packer dt cleditus hunt...he was their starter at DT for years?
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didn't Swinton fumble the catch on a return against dallas?
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Teyo Johnson - TE - why don't we give him a chance ?
Honestly, even if he can't block, why not convert him to WR......hahhaha......maybe he'll beat out Bradford, and add another Johnson to our recieving core. He's gotta have better wheels and hands than any of our tight ends.

Jonathan Goddard - OLB - Former DE, the guy has more pass-rushing ability than any Linebacker on our roster. Nuff' said. Detroit probably signed him to the practice squad though.

Anttaj Hawthorne and Attiyah Ellison DTs - These guys are both big and faster than any of our backups at DT/DEs. I'm sure their teams put them on the Practice Squad though.

THUMP BELTON FB - I have no idea who this guy is, I just love his name, and he's a fullback. I just had to write it down.

Kerry Carter RB - Seattle was stocked at RB, and this kid supposedly can get the tough yards.

Reshard Lee RB - he's not a big name, but this guy can return kickoffs very well, and he runs hard when he's a runningback, I like him better than Quentin Griffin and our very own Hollings.

Alonzo Jackson OLB - played the 3-4 defense in Pittsburgh, at least he knows the sheme. And he's big.

Rashad Moore DT - He's big, strong and still young. I don't know how bad his injury is but, he's stronger than most of Defensive Lineman.

Jed Weaver TE - Caught 35 passes a year ago with the 49ers. He's 29 so he might have a couple years left. I actually don't know if he can block, but I figure he must still be good, since the team that released him has 3 great TEs already. The Patriots.
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Good article on some the cuts. A few of our guys are mentioned. A few are missing also.

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THUMP BELTON FB - I have no idea who this guy is, I just love his name, and he's a fullback. I just had to write it down.
I am all for picking up a guy named Thump Belton. Now thats a football player!
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I would take a chance on Anttaj Hawthorne he fits the 3-4 defense, 1st round talent, would give the Texans two young DT's for the future adding depth and talent. he fits the NT position more @ 6' 3" 321 lbs is a wide body who can push in the pocket & be productive against the run.
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1st round talent and cut??? Why?
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In reality he was the 175th player taken in the 6th round. Million dollar body and a 10 cent mind...that's the long and short of it. I think he tested positive for drugs as well.
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We should take a look at Teyo Johnson and Antaaj Hawthorne.
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In reality he was the 175th player taken in the 6th round. Million dollar body and a 10 cent mind...that's the long and short of it. I think he tested positive for drugs as well.
Not sure we need a guy like him in the locker room. I would love to see both him and Teyo Johnson signed by the Texans, but if they are problem players I say we just look in the other direction.
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If I'm not mistaken, Hawthorn was signed to the Raiders practice squad.
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practice squad players are open game for other NFL teams are they not? the Texans would need to release someone off the 53 man roster to make room, one of their career jouneymen for a possible future front line player sounds like a good deal even if it means he needs treetment for substance abuse or personel issues

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Rick Gosselin's position-by-position rankings

03:25 PM CST on Friday, April 1, 2005

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Rank, Player School
1. Ronnie Brown Auburn
2. Cedric Benson Texas
3. Carnell Williams Auburn
4. Vernand Morency Oklahoma State
5. J.J. Arrington Cal
Sleeper: Brandon Jacobs Southern Illinois

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Rank, Player School
1. Travis Johnson Florida State
2. Shaun Cody Southern Cal
3. Luis Castillo Northwestern
4. Jonathan Babineaux Iowa
5. Anttaj Hawthorne Wisconsin
Sleeper: Willie Page NW Oklahoma
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