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TSgt.Texan · 08-28-2005

I am in Afghanistan right now and have not been able to see any games. Can it be as bad as you all are making it seem?

The Preacher · 08-28-2005

No not close and good to hear from you overseas.

I don't think I have rose-colored glasses either and I see a ton of potential for the season if we can keep the mistakes to a minimum.

OzzO · 08-28-2005

Nah - just like anything, the "bad news" gets more attention. The TEXANS will do fine this year - shoot for around 9 wins or so and probably miss the playoffs in a strong AFC.

There will be posters and articles throughout the season noting to bring the backups in and also fire all related coaches and front office members - the waterboy may be keeping his job, you hardly hear about him.

It's just like the media, gotta wade through all the "fluff" to get to the actual newsworthy facts.

Keep the faith and thanks to you and all the fellow servicemen (and women) over there fighting for our beliefs and country.

the wonger need food · 08-28-2005

The offense is about as bad as it can get. Same problems that they've had since day 1. Inconsistency across the board. Can't pick up 3rd downs and stay on the field. Very few open receivers. Can't score touchdowns. Lots of mistakes and penalties. Bad play calling. Bad decision making.

There were some bright spots on a few plays, but the bad far outweighed the good.

Grid · 08-28-2005

bleh.. the offense looked fine. There were some good plays called back for penalties.. and some plays that "could have been" had our timing been better.

it will improve as we continue to use this new offense.

I wouldnt worry too much. Our defense looked great at the beggining.. not so great towards the end.. but our starters looked good. Our Offense looked like it needs more practice..but will be fine.

the wonger need food · 08-28-2005

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Originally Posted by Grid

bleh.. the offense looked fine. There were some good plays called back for penalties.. and some plays that "could have been" had our timing been better.

it will improve as we continue to use this new offense.

I wouldnt worry too much. Our defense looked great at the beggining.. not so great towards the end.. but our starters looked good. Our Offense looked like it needs more practice..but will be fine.

Here's the translation and truth...

the offense looked fine
- 53 passing yards in the first half. 53 yards and half of that on one play.

it will improve as we continue to use this new offense.
- I would hope so, it can't get much worse.

There were some good plays called back for penalties.. and some plays that "could have been" had our timing been better.
- The good plays would not have been successful without the penalties. Lots of mistakes, miscommunication and lack of execution... aka "timing".

Our defense looked great at the beggining.. not so great towards the end.. but our starters looked good.
- This is somewhat true. They held up pretty well until crunch time.

It's amazing how people are blinded by their loyalties to this team. Both admirable and sad at the same time.

Jwwillis · 08-28-2005

Its amazing how much stock people put into a pre-season game (NE 1-3 last year) Both amazing and sad.

OzzO · 08-28-2005

... and how outragous some expectations are of other people. Yes, the offense was not clicking on all cylinders last night, and to achieve that would be, what?

104 passer rating
18/18 passes
no incompletions / dropped balls
correctly timed routes
5.4 avg yd per run
TD score each possesion
no turnovers

... something along those lines?

tsip · 08-28-2005

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Originally Posted by Jwwillis

Its amazing how much stock people put into a pre-season game (NE 1-3 last year) Both amazing and sad.

OK, following your logic....Texans are going 14-2 this year like the Pats
did last year, right?

Jwwillis · 08-28-2005

yup that was my point. We are super bowl bound.

Crank_It_Up · 08-28-2005

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Originally Posted by TSgt.Texan

I am in Afghanistan right now and have not been able to see any games. Can it be as bad as you all are making it seem?

+ our starting defense did better than I thought they would

+ our starting o-line did better than I thought they would

but Carr definitely had a bad game, as did a few others

in the end the much hated Jerry Jones came away with a win and perhaps a little joy, and that is never good.

**texasguy346** · 08-28-2005

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Originally Posted by TSgt.Texan

I am in Afghanistan right now and have not been able to see any games. Can it be as bad as you all are making it seem?

Well it's definately not as bad as we're all letting on, and it definately isn't as good either. I imagine we're somewhere in the middle. Our offense was 'off' last night, and it had been 'on' during the previous two games in limited action. We're not going to drive down the field and score every drive, nor are we going to be as inconsistent as we were last night. All the extreme reactions at the good and the bad are probably more a result of all of us Texan fans hungering for a taste of the real NFL season, but are left only to pick apart a preseason game. The season opener can't come soon enough.

tuxedo · 08-28-2005

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Originally Posted by the wonger need food

The offense is about as bad as it can get. Same problems that they've had since day 1. Inconsistency across the board. Can't pick up 3rd downs and stay on the field. Very few open receivers. Can't score touchdowns. Lots of mistakes and penalties. Bad play calling. Bad decision making.

There were some bright spots on a few plays, but the bad far outweighed the good.

I agree 100%.Texans need to improve.

Buzz · 08-28-2005

The Texans weren't the only team to look awful. The Packers had an ugly game too, with Favre having stats similar to Carr. Anyone that knows football will say there's no way that they could be that bad when the season starts, and I think you have to apply that to the Texans too- it's just that it's a lot harder to be confident about their improvement because of their history. One of the Packers players said "It was like a circus because we kept shooting ourselves in the foot, but at least our wounds were self-inflicted and we can clean those things up." That's how the Texans have to look at their performance.
And for the downers and critics, yes, I know the Texans aren't on the same level as the Packers. That's besides the point. It's about improvement, not comparing one team to another.

Ibar_Harry · 08-28-2005

Yes, it can!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TexansTrueFan · 08-28-2005

haha Ibar,,,,,

,,,,,,everyone makes such a big deal out of nothing, come on it was a bad game for the starters so what, they looked impressive in the previous 2 games.

Texans Pride · 08-28-2005

Carr had a 5.7 passer rating at the end of the first half.

HardCoreTxn · 08-28-2005

Carr didnt do as bad as it looks on paper, there were a few key passes dropped that should have been 1st downs, he made a bad decision with the int in the end zone, but the other one wasnt on , it should have been caught.

the wonger need food · 08-28-2005

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Originally Posted by HardCoreTxn

Carr didnt do as bad as it looks on paper, there were a few key passes dropped that should have been 1st downs, he made a bad decision with the int in the end zone, but the other one wasnt on , it should have been caught.

He also had one or two more that should have been intercepted.

GP · 08-28-2005

"Carr didnt do as bad as it looks on paper, there were a few key passes dropped that should have been 1st downs, he made a bad decision with the int in the end zone, but the other one wasnt on , it should have been caught." -- HardCoreTxn

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Sorry. I ain't buying what you're selling.

Carr is a better QB than what he showed last night. High passes that AJ attempted to go up and get but instead got his skull cracked by Williams, lofted passes that were severely out of bounds or overthrown, passes behind the receivers, passes too far in front of the receivers, incorrectly timed routes between he and his receivers, etc., etc., etc.

Save the optimistic outlook for another day when its warranted. Last night was easily his worst performance. it was very inconsistent. When he DID do well, some other bad situation occurred. That's not his fault, but he;s the leader of the offense and his job is to overcome others' mistakes by making plays when everyone else on the team isn't. Those plays where their was miscommunication between him and his receivers: HE IS THE QB. He needs to grab them by the facemask in the huddle and tell them, "AJ...you go ten yards and turn to your LEFT to the sideline" if he thinks there might be a chance of his key receiver running an incorrect route.

He's the man, and last night absolutely falls on Carr's shoulders. Period.

08-28-2005	#1
TSgt.Texan Rookie Join Date: Apr 2005 Age: 42 Posts: 86 Rep Power: 9	Can it be that bad? I am in Afghanistan right now and have not been able to see any games. Can it be as bad as you all are making it seem?

08-28-2005	#16
TexansTrueFan Hall of Fame Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Huntsville Tx Age: 28 Posts: 2,600 Rep Power: 11	haha Ibar,,,,, ,,,,,,everyone makes such a big deal out of nothing, come on it was a bad game for the starters so what, they looked impressive in the previous 2 games. __________________ http://www.myspace.com/texanstruefan

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Texans Pride Hall of Fame Join Date: May 2004 Location: www.realsteeltailgaters.com Section: 111, Row Q Age: 36 Posts: 1,311 Rep Power: 346	Carr had a 5.7 passer rating at the end of the first half. __________________ Stop Working And Tailgate www.facebook.com/realsteeltailgaters www.realsteeltailgaters.com

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HardCoreTxn Veteran Join Date: May 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 228 Rep Power: 10	Carr didnt do as bad as it looks on paper, there were a few key passes dropped that should have been 1st downs, he made a bad decision with the int in the end zone, but the other one wasnt on , it should have been caught. __________________ !LETS GO TEXANS!

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08-28-2005	#2
The Preacher Veteran Join Date: Mar 2005 Age: 41 Posts: 429 Rep Power: 9	No not close and good to hear from you overseas. I don't think I have rose-colored glasses either and I see a ton of potential for the season if we can keep the mistakes to a minimum.

08-28-2005	#3
OzzO .. and then? Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: northside Posts: 6,129 Rep Power: 3574	Nah - just like anything, the "bad news" gets more attention. The TEXANS will do fine this year - shoot for around 9 wins or so and probably miss the playoffs in a strong AFC. There will be posters and articles throughout the season noting to bring the backups in and also fire all related coaches and front office members - the waterboy may be keeping his job, you hardly hear about him. It's just like the media, gotta wade through all the "fluff" to get to the actual newsworthy facts. Keep the faith and thanks to you and all the fellow servicemen (and women) over there fighting for our beliefs and country.

08-28-2005	#4
the wonger need food Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston Age: 43 Posts: 2,535 Rep Power: 1085	The offense is about as bad as it can get. Same problems that they've had since day 1. Inconsistency across the board. Can't pick up 3rd downs and stay on the field. Very few open receivers. Can't score touchdowns. Lots of mistakes and penalties. Bad play calling. Bad decision making. There were some bright spots on a few plays, but the bad far outweighed the good.

08-28-2005	#5
Grid Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 4,299 Rep Power: 2271	bleh.. the offense looked fine. There were some good plays called back for penalties.. and some plays that "could have been" had our timing been better. it will improve as we continue to use this new offense. I wouldnt worry too much. Our defense looked great at the beggining.. not so great towards the end.. but our starters looked good. Our Offense looked like it needs more practice..but will be fine.

08-28-2005	#7
Jwwillis All Pro Join Date: Jul 2004 Age: 50 Posts: 610 Rep Power: 9	Its amazing how much stock people put into a pre-season game (NE 1-3 last year) Both amazing and sad.

08-28-2005	#14
Buzz Veteran Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 160 Rep Power: 8	The Texans weren't the only team to look awful. The Packers had an ugly game too, with Favre having stats similar to Carr. Anyone that knows football will say there's no way that they could be that bad when the season starts, and I think you have to apply that to the Texans too- it's just that it's a lot harder to be confident about their improvement because of their history. One of the Packers players said "It was like a circus because we kept shooting ourselves in the foot, but at least our wounds were self-inflicted and we can clean those things up." That's how the Texans have to look at their performance. And for the downers and critics, yes, I know the Texans aren't on the same level as the Packers. That's besides the point. It's about improvement, not comparing one team to another.

08-28-2005	#15
Ibar_Harry Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2,219 Rep Power: 14	Yes, it can!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

08-28-2005	#20
GP Go Texans! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: TEXAS! Posts: 17,747 Rep Power: 50138	"Carr didnt do as bad as it looks on paper, there were a few key passes dropped that should have been 1st downs, he made a bad decision with the int in the end zone, but the other one wasnt on , it should have been caught." -- HardCoreTxn --------------------------------------------- Sorry. I ain't buying what you're selling. Carr is a better QB than what he showed last night. High passes that AJ attempted to go up and get but instead got his skull cracked by Williams, lofted passes that were severely out of bounds or overthrown, passes behind the receivers, passes too far in front of the receivers, incorrectly timed routes between he and his receivers, etc., etc., etc. Save the optimistic outlook for another day when its warranted. Last night was easily his worst performance. it was very inconsistent. When he DID do well, some other bad situation occurred. That's not his fault, but he;s the leader of the offense and his job is to overcome others' mistakes by making plays when everyone else on the team isn't. Those plays where their was miscommunication between him and his receivers: HE IS THE QB. He needs to grab them by the facemask in the huddle and tell them, "AJ...you go ten yards and turn to your LEFT to the sideline" if he thinks there might be a chance of his key receiver running an incorrect route. He's the man, and last night absolutely falls on Carr's shoulders. Period.

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