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Old 08-22-2005   #41
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that may be so, but do you ever think it might be by default? doug gabriel torched you guys and he is currently our 4th wr on the depth chart, behind porter and curry.

i dont want to start a flame war, but to be quite honest, the secondary did not look good at all!
When you have 20 years to throw the ball like Collins did, any secondary isn't going to look good. Gabriel beat our 3rd CB twice on very uncharacteristic play by D. Faggins. not to mention the 2 interceptions by the secondary that started a rookie SS 2nd or 3rd teamer from Louisiana-Lafayette in C.C. Brown. Take it for what its worth.
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I'm not in any sort of heart attack mode....I'm a pretty calm guy actually. This forum is for us to discuss football. I haven't said much about this game....I was asked what my thoughts were on Carr. I gave them. THAT's simple stuff.
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All was said is he should have thrown across his body on the run. So he should have just said, "forget the play, I will do what I want" right?
I'm not a mind reader, and I don't pretend to know what's in anyone's (player or coach) head nor do I know what play goes down...I just comment on football games that I watch...been doing it here for nearly half a decade. I don't give homer views and I call it like I see it. Some of you act like I shot the President when I post what you don't want to hear.
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the play was designed for Carr and the WR on the right. It is not a play were Carr rolls right and looks all the way across the field into traffic. He has no other reads they are playing off the corner, he steps up he throws it, he covers Carr runs.
I'm curious to know how you are so aware of what Carr's responsibility for that play was. You wouldn't be Chris Palmer in disguise would you? Cause other than the guy that drew the play up, or called it into the huddle, or Carr himself who ran it, how the heck would you know what Carr's responsibility's were?

Also you refer to DD responsibility's, which you list as blocking.

So tell me Hulk75, can I get a copy of the playbook AND the plays called into the huddle like you seem to have access to.
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Slow down bro you will have heart attack. Before writting something get all the facts. He rolled right, the play was designed for Carr and the WR on the right. It is not a play were Carr rolls right and looks all the way across the field into traffic. He has no other reads they are playing off the corner, he steps up he throws it, he covers Carr runs. SIMPLE BUDDY. Carr sees the field very well.
That play happened right in front of my seats. DD was not all the way across the field in traffic nor would it have been a difficult across the body throw. It was not a drop and throw play like the one attempted to Bradford. Carr was making time with his feat. Regardless of whether his only designated read (dubious) was Swinton or that was his 1st read, he should be looking around enough to spot when other players come open. I spotted DD open 1st--maybe from Carr's perspective he saw Swinton 1st and never needed to look. In any event the play worked, but it is certainly a fair topic for discussion.
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Throwing across your body is one of the easiest ways to get picked off, add to it running the opposite way, recipe for disaster.
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Listen carefully okay. If a QB sprints to the pillon, he is probably not going to throw across his body to somebody else. We had a play like this in college, it is the QB, WR and the Corner in the play. The play develops quickly he doesnt have all day to read and look at guys that are supposed to be blocking.
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Nice condescension.

You are acting like DD was doing something wrong on the play. We have watched DD chip and release for two seasons so that ain't flying. Plus everyone needs to stop acting like the throw to DD would have been some horrific across the body bomb for an INT. The play started on the 2. DD was 2 yards into the endzone. Carr wouldn't have had to throw the ball more than 7 or so yards when DD came open.

It's fine to think Carr did perfect on the play, but there is no reason to fly off on people who question that fact or to make up stuff to defend what he did.
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Let me get this straight, ya'll are arguing over a TD pass that was a bad TD pass?

All I care is that it was 6 points.

6 points = Good
INT = Bad
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I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone, but in those 4 yards (across his body) there are what 9 or so defenders in his view if he throws across his body or the 2 that were in front of him? Seems like he made the proper read.
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oh I'm very aware of what the play could have potentially been called as, but you seem to be certain that it was called that way, Hulk75. I mean, couldn't it have been a simple scramble play by Carr and he rolled out and was smart enough to know to read the corner to see whether to run it or pass? Yet you seem to know ahead of time that it was CALLED this way. That is what I am curious about. In fact, listing DD responsibility to block, simply supports the fact that you KNEW what the called play out of the huddle was.

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He rolled right, the play was designed for Carr and the WR on the right.
So how do YOU, Hulk75, know that? How do you know what play was called in the huddle and who had what responsibility to do what?

by the way, I just looked up the word 'sence' in the dictionary, and it doesn't exist. But since you went to college I am sure you sensed that already.
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Slow down bro you will have heart attack. Before writting something get all the facts. He rolled right, the play was designed for Carr and the WR on the right. It is not a play were Carr rolls right and looks all the way across the field into traffic. He has no other reads they are playing off the corner, he steps up he throws it, he covers Carr runs. SIMPLE BUDDY. Carr sees the field very well.
Talk about getting the facts. Carr said the play was busted, so he rolled out to see if he could make anything happen.

Before you start giving people a hard time about what the play was, get the facts, dont pull them out of your arse.
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He was on the run to the right and to hit DD he would have had to come to a complete stop, look back across his body, and throw across his body. Not very advisable.
You're point is well made Wags - even Jon Elway would have been focused intently upon the same receiver that DC was and it was either throw to him,
run it in yourself, or run out of bounds. Its not as if DC was standing deep in the pocket with gobs of time to survey the entire field in front of him - he
was on a dead sprint towards and at the goal line. Some people just can't admit that, "yea you're probably right about that one."
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Admit what? Here is the original comment (below)....I just said I'd like to see him look at more than one guy instead of locking onto one option. Look at the game if you have it taped (Dom was just a few yards away)...just a comment about what my thoughts were on Carr. This is absurd.

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Actually Vinny has mentioned quite a bit about Carr needing to improve his pocket presence. Vinny, I was wondering your take on Carr so far.
Can't tell yet since we haven't had many plays where he drops back and scans the field. We need to see him in multiple series before we can tell much. He had Dom wide open on that TD to Swinton but didn't look at him (would have been a much easier TD, but if you look at the tape he never looked at anyone but Swinton). He still seems to zero in on 'one guy only' too much. I see Carr chunking for around 4000 yards this year though. 23 or so TD's...so I see improvement if he can improve his vision and pocket awareness.
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He had Dom wide open on that TD to Swinton but didn't look at him (would have been a much easier TD, but if you look at the tape he never looked at anyone but Swinton). He still seems to zero in on 'one guy only' too much.
I agree that it still seems he locks in on one guy but he would have had to thrown across his body running the other way to hit Davis. It would have been a pretty tough throw IMO.
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watch it again. Carr doesnt have to sprit out to the corner if he just looks at Davis. He doesn't look...so he has to sprint...I'm rolling this play back and forth right now. You guys make this 5 yard pass sound like its a 50 yard across the body throw.
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watch it again. Carr doesnt have to sprit out to the corner if he just looks at Davis. He doesn't look...so he has to sprint...I'm rolling this play back and forth right now.
Oh okay, I thought it was a designed bootleg.
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I don't know what the play call was. All I stated was I wish he looked at more than one guy as an observation. People are turning a simple comment into much more than it is....just me answering a question and giving an example of what I think he needs to improve on. Ridiculous.
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