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Old 08-19-2005   #21
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Teams draft BPA within reason of their perspective needs.

No, the colts wouldnt take a QB with their first round pick. But teams also factor in things like depth, contracts, and other variables, that we as fans dont look at.
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Since nobody has mentioned this yet....we should have drafted Derrick Johnson instead of TJ.
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Since nobody has mentioned this yet....we should have drafted Derrick Johnson instead of TJ.
I think we should have. I mean if TJ is going to ride the pine his 1st year then a 3rd rounder like Pouha would not have made too much difference. Maybe I'm speaking ahead of myself but I don't TJ winning a spot over Walker, Robaire or a healthy Payne. And since we already have a backs in DD, Hollings and Wells, it made no sense to get a back just like DD, especially when you extend his contract. So yea I would have take DJ at teh #1 spot, especially if I had intentions on letting Sharper AND Foreman go. But hey, we have Pettaway!
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I think we should have. I mean if TJ is going to ride the pine his 1st year then a 3rd rounder like Pouha would not have made too much difference. Maybe I'm speaking ahead of myself but I don't TJ winning a spot over Walker, Robaire or a healthy Payne.
I think the D-line rotates a lot of people in and out during the course of a game. Non-starters can get plenty of snaps in the Texans' scheme.
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So yea I would have take DJ at teh #1 spot, especially if I had intentions on letting Sharper AND Foreman go. But hey, we have Pettaway!
i think pettway could be good with coaching.
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Can we please not talk about DJ again. :brickwall :brickwall :brickwall :brickwall
The draft is long gone.
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Travis will be a "starter" in the Texans nickel package,where there run a 4-2-5. If you remember last year, it was on 3rd down when the Texans defense had the most trouble. The defense was 29th in the league on 3rd down conversions allowed. And they were last in the NFL for much of the year prior to their late season defensive stands against the Bears & the Jags.

I don't think TJ will get a ton of sacks, but I do think he'll help collapse the pocket. That's when the QBs will leave the pocket & run into the waiting arms of Peek & Babin. I think Derrick Johnson is an outstanding defensive talent and many teams will regret passing on him. But for all of his abilities, pass rushing wasn't one of them. The Texans had just spent $20+ million on a guy who plays the same position that DJ would have on this team. He may have been the BPA, but you can't load up on a certain postion in the salary cap era.
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The Texans had just spent $20+ million on a guy who plays the same position that DJ would have on this team. He may have been the BPA, but you can't load up on a certain postion in the salary cap era.
Oh yea, tell the Detroit Lions that. Many speculate they did that because Rogers is not completely healed, but as of right now they are carrying him
ahead of Williams on their DC. Since they run the 4-3, gotta wonder why
they passed on DJ (or anybody else) instead of selecting another WR as their
top pick - 3 yrs in a row and all top 10s.
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Travis will be a "starter" in the Texans nickel package,where there run a 4-2-5. If you remember last year, it was on 3rd down when the Texans defense had the most trouble. The defense was 29th in the league on 3rd down conversions allowed. And they were last in the NFL for much of the year prior to their late season defensive stands against the Bears & the Jags.

I don't think TJ will get a ton of sacks, but I do think he'll help collapse the pocket. That's when the QBs will leave the pocket & run into the waiting arms of Peek & Babin. I think Derrick Johnson is an outstanding defensive talent and many teams will regret passing on him. But for all of his abilities, pass rushing wasn't one of them. The Texans had just spent $20+ million on a guy who plays the same position that DJ would have on this team. He may have been the BPA, but you can't load up on a certain postion in the salary cap era.
TJ will be a fine player imo, and will improve our line. By contrast, Derrick will be an real impact player, and will be twice the player Greenwood is with some seasoning. I prefer to get impact players in round 1, those that are real difference makers, and playmakers. I just feel a 3-4 Dlineman can be had in a later round. Having said that, the early returns are encourging on TJ. As to your assertion that we couldn't have drafted another ILB, it's not as if we don't have a lot of cap money tied up in the Dline. Payne re-upped last offseason, and Walker the offseason before. Robaire Smith was signed for a high dollar FA contract, and now, we have first round money tied up on a fourth dlineman. I'm not sure I buy that as an excuse. I will be surprised if in five years, the fact that we passed on DJ is not something that will be a highly debated lingering question by most fans. I won't say I told you so then, because I said it on draft day.
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But let's face it, TJ won't be a starter this year barring injury. If you look at most of the guys that went ahead of him, they will mostly likely be starters or applying tremedous pressure on the incumbent for his position. I get the sense that TJ is here to be a backup and provide a rest for the starters. For a guy that went 16th I'd expect a starter. Casey Hampton was drafted 19th, he started for the Steelers.
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I am not saying that TJ will not pan out. I really hope he does. I just think that O-line should have been considered ahead of D-line.
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You guys who predict the future , I need 6 lottery numbers for tommorrow please .

DJ will only be as good as his Defensive line . Your superstar will be making tackles 6 yds down the field if they go right at him .
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TJ will be a fine player imo, and will improve our line. By contrast, Derrick will be an real impact player, and will be twice the player Greenwood is with some seasoning...
For the sake of argument, let's say that I agree with you. When the Texans signed Greenwood, how did they know that DJ would be available when they drafted? Maybe they should know these things. But I can assure you that it caught me by surprise, and I've followed the draft since the time when Mel Kiper's hair was only 6 inches tall. Greenwood was available, he fit into what the team was looking for in a coverage ILB, and they signed him. Two months later, a great prospect playing ths same position is available in the draft. That's just reverse kismet, I can't blame the Texans decision making for making the call to sign Greenwood.

The Texans had two priorities in the offseason. Improve the pass protection & find a way to get to the QB. DJ isn't really an immediate answer to either. If the Texans don't improve in these areas, they won't win. And another GM & Head Coach get the benifits of having DJ on their team. I don't think that Casserly & Capers want to pick a guy for their successors. TJ can help this team win more than DJ can this season. And that's the most important season for the Texans braintrust.

As far as investing a high pick and young blood in the D-line, I think it's a good idea. So does the Pats Bill Belichick, who has picked 3 D-linemen in the 1st round since taking over in '01. The man's golden now, follow the trend.
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Casey Hampton was drafted 19th, he started for the Steelers.
You sure about that? Hampton only had 22 tackles in 2001. I think he played in 16 games but didn't start 16 games.

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OK he started mid-season, but even then they were pretty limited starts--1st "start" he played 20 defensive snaps. I'll bet TJ gets some 20 play games this season.

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Starting just means that the team is weak at that position. By TJ not starting, that means we have some decent talent at those spots. In the future it looks like the only spots where rookies will actually start are at TE and LT if we get a stud.
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You sure about that? Hampton only had 22 tackles in 2001. I think he played in 16 games but didn't start 16 games.

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OK he started mid-season, but even then they were pretty limited starts--1st "start" he played 20 defensive snaps. I'll bet TJ gets some 20 play games this season.

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i doubt TJ will dissapoint anyone, he will fill in nicely.
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TJ is gonna be looked at as a big miss for the 15 teams ahead of Houston in the '05 draft in a few years. I'm liking the looks of the team more and more. Just think...we could have a D actually capable of turning in several 3 and outs a game this year instead of allowing 3 and longs to be converted at an unbelievable rate. D WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!! O wins cheers and fans. Just keep looking at the class of the AFC South (Indy) and all the championships they've won.
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TJ is gonna be looked at as a big miss for the 15 teams ahead of Houston in the '05 draft in a few years. I'm liking the looks of the team more and more. Just think...we could have a D actually capable of turning in several 3 and outs a game this year instead of allowing 3 and longs to be converted at an unbelievable rate. D WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!! O wins cheers and fans. Just keep looking at the class of the AFC South (Indy) and all the championships they've won.

But you do need a little bit of O, atleast one who can get into the endzone a few times, look at the Ravens !!!!!
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