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Old 08-17-2005   #21
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An ABP and Amber Alert has just been issued for Fred Weary. If you see the man depicted below actually blocking someone, take no immediate action as he may be being held hostage by his own unfullfilled potential. Rather, please immediately call Joe Pendry as he hasn't seen Weary on his offensive line all year long.

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this is unfreaking believable as the days pass so do the offensive lineman. if anyone had doubts about which area of the team was most uncertain all one has to look at is this Texans offensive line. It makes me uncomfortable to even think about it, I sure hope they know what they're doing. Personally I think its a big mistake to move Wand from the LT position & Riley would be the better replacement for Weigert since he has RT experience. Where is David Baas when you need him
I don't think we need to be so negative about this. They think Riley's the better tackle, and with Wiegert down, we had a quality lineman to insert. That is a GOOD THING.
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the only and I mean the ONLY way this is acceptable to beerlover (third person, now thats funny ) ) is that this becomes Rileys audition only at LT & then this whole idea is put to rest. Either he's had some kind of transformation or metamorphosis into an NFL LT that I can't see or the coaches have completly lost their minds

besides getting beat by the DE their are other factors to consider, yes one is injury's another is false starts & penaltys Riley has a proven track record as a leader in both. while Wand as a rookie did a very solid job & after the first few games settled in nicely, very few handle Dwight Freeney. Also its all about matchups, each team has different strengths Buffalo (the season opener) has a dedicated core of LB'ers including former Texan Jeff Posey, all pro Takeo Spikes & London Fletcher. expect them to blitz alot
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After all, we only got to see them work for what - 7 plays - the other night?

We can continue this prognosistic (is that really a word?) conversation beginning Sunday. I am trying to be optimistic and believe the coaches know what they're doing. You KNOW David Carr does, too.
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I think the Texans coaching staff has grown weary of Fred.
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aj. that is classic


At this point I'd be happy with an average O-line. Just be average guys!
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yeah, he was playing RG last night on the televised practice on NFL Network, and got absolutely OWNED by Gary Walker.
Just about any defensive player in the NFL can beat any offensive player. The fact that Wand got beat just shows that Walker is a professional, I can assure you that Wand has had the upper hand on a few occasions.
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I consider this to be "not good news" no matter how it's spun. I don't have much to say about it right now though. I completely expected Seth Wand to improve this year and I'm now trying to decide how to feel about what I can only say looks like a 180 from the Texans. I don't think the best way to groom a LT is to play him at LG & RG.

So Wand isn't going to be given a second year like Chester got to improve. Do the Texans not think he's going to get better the way Pitts did? If that's so then when exactly were they talking out of their posteriors? Last year when he was lookin' good enough to toss into the mix or this year when he's losing his job to Riley but still one of our "best 5"?

If Victor Riley can walk into the Texans training camp and be one of the best 5 we have then I'm pretty concerned with what passes for a starting quality lineman on this team. That speaks volumes. It's not that I completely think we've been lied to because I don't. What I think is that we're speaking a different language than the guys putting this line together.
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Can I just go ahead and say "the sky is falling" now or wait until the homers are knee deep in their search for answers when we are 2-6? Weary has been a slug from the get-go. It's No surpise he isn't working out. Wand is just what he is...potential, far from saying a great prospect. All we heard was that he is a "project", not a great prospect.

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Can I just go ahead and say "the sky is falling" now or wait until the homers are knee deep in their search for answers when we are 2-6?

Nah, you go right ahead and say it now. I don't think of myself as a full-on "homer" but I do consider myself generally optimistic. I don't like the way this feels at all though.

You go ahead and speak your piece about that sky falling. Something's definitely falling here. It might not be the sky that's falling but something's coming down.
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I consider this to be "not good news" no matter how it's spun. I don't have much to say about it right now though. I completely expected Seth Wand to improve this year and I'm now trying to decide how to feel about what I can only say looks like a 180 from the Texans. I don't think the best way to groom a LT is to play him at LG & RG.

So Wand isn't going to be given a second year like Chester got to improve. Do the Texans not think he's going to get better the way Pitts did? If that's so then when exactly were they talking out of their posteriors? Last year when he was lookin' good enough to toss into the mix or this year when he's losing his job to Riley but still one of our "best 5"?

If Victor Riley can walk into the Texans training camp and be one of the best 5 we have then I'm pretty concerned with what passes for a starting quality lineman on this team. That speaks volumes. It's not that I completely think we've been lied to because I don't. What I think is that we're speaking a different language than the guys putting this line together.
I agree with you that Wand should be at LT because Riley isn't the answer. Starting Riley is an indication of a problem somewhere. If he had been doing as many reps against Peek as Wand has that would be obvious to everyone. Riley doesn't have the lateral speed required for LT.

Wand makes the highlights when a rusher runs him over; the times I've seen Riley get beat he frequently just whiffs - that's how to get a QB hurt, but it doesn't make an interesting replay for the news. The O-line coach has made Wand his whipping boy for some reason. Everyone from the media on down has picked up on that. Maybe it's just the only way the coach knows how to try to get Wand to improve.

I still think Riley getting more reps in the upcoming pre-season games will result in better evaluations and Wand starts at LT in Buffalo. Heck, maybe the coaches already plan this and we just don't know it.

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I agree with you that Wand should be at LT because Riley isn't the answer. Starting Riley is an indication of a problem somewhere
Starting Riley may be an indication that he's better than Wand.
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Can I just go ahead and say "the sky is falling" now or wait until the homers are knee deep in their search for answers when we are 2-6? Weary has been a slug from the get-go. It's No surpise he isn't working out. Wand is just what he is...potential, far from saying a great prospect. All we heard was that he is a "project", not a great prospect.
Well, I'm not what you call a homer, am just an optimist. If the Texans don't win a game this season there's always next season and the season after that. I'm used to bad teams, I used to follow the Oilers religiously especially during the bad years, it took them years to became a good team.
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Wand's problem has been, and still is INEXPERIENCE! It is not about, does he have the strength, or the legs, it is all about learning to play on the big stage. The NFL is a very long way from SW Missouri State! Now he will have had experience at every line position except OC. Not a bad thing. He will eventually get the experience thing down and become an accomplished Olineman. Maybe even at OLT.
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Can I just go ahead and say "the sky is falling" now or wait until the homers are knee deep in their search for answers when we are 2-6? Weary has been a slug from the get-go. It's No surpise he isn't working out. Wand is just what he is...potential, far from saying a great prospect. All we heard was that he is a "project", not a great prospect.
I'm not in "sky is falling" mode. I will wait to see the final product. But, it's becoming increasingly clear that Wand was yet another 2nd-3rd round reach by CC and company. There is not much doubt that both he and Ragone could have been had later. The 1st rd picks have been exceptional, and the 4th and later has been well above average too. But, in 4 years of drafting, we have exactly ONE player from the 2nd or 3rd round that is a quality starter. That is an absymal record. Even the lowly Browns made the playoffs in year four, without nearly as good a start. If we fail to make it this year, look no further than the stat above as the reason why. Charles Hill anyone?
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I'm not in "sky is falling" mode. I will wait to see the final product. But, it's becoming increasingly clear that Wand was yet another 2nd-3rd round reach by CC and company. There is not much doubt that both he and Ragone could have been had later. The 1st rd picks have been exceptional, and the 4th and later has been well above average too. But, in 4 years of drafting, we have exactly ONE player from the 2nd or 3rd round that is a quality starter. That is an absymal record. Even the lowly Browns made the playoffs in year four, without nearly as good a start. If we fail to make it this year, look no further than the stat above as the reason why. Charles Hill anyone?
I agree our choices in 2nd and 3rd haven't been spectacular. Maybe that is why we went ahead and traded for P-Buch for a 2nd and 3rd
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This is a temporary stop. Next year is "the year of the OL". I believe we will draft our LT next year.
I think you could see the Texans take as many as 3 linemen next year, if certain players fall in the right spots. I can see a LT, a G (RG probably since Weigert is been around a while), and a C if the rook doesn't develop as they hope.
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I am not sure I've ever seen an explanation or whatnot, but why does the team insist on keeping Pitts away from the LT position?
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If you watch the NFL Network training camp report, Capers was impressed with Riley's play against the Broncos. Supposedly he was barelling the defensive linemen over, and was "very aggressive" in a play which caused the d-lineman to fall on Wiegert's ankle.
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There's no question whether Riley is a good run blocker. He's massive and pushes a pile with the best of them.

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