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Old 08-16-2005   #1
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i thought the cowboys had gotten old, worn out qbs out of their system. i thought when testeverde went to the showers for the last time, that was gonna be it! now bledsoe comes along and is as totally unremarkable as vinny ever was, in his first gm vs the cards. i know it's only the first gm [and preseason to boot], but i had hoped he remembered how to get a first down with all those yrs of nfl experience!

and the future of that position doesn't exactly blind u either. after a yr back in pads, henson can't even beat out the chief officer in charge of gatorade distribution, lowly tony romo, for back up. if bledsoe gets hurt, no problem, we have it covered! we have other qbs who cant go in there and do absolutely nothing as well, just like he does!
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Just root for the Texans and all your worries about the Cowboys can fade away.

Honestly...preseason is to evaluate talent, acclimate veterans and not be injured. Wait and see how Bledsoe does in a real game before throwing up your hands in disgust unless...you want to convert to being a Texans fan. It's not too late you know?
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Why do you use the word "lowly" to describe Tony Romo? You make it sound as though he digs out of trash cans for his dinner or something.

Gosh the guy has played in a few mop up situations and some meaningless preseason games. Now if he was drafted to be THE guy and he didn't do well you could complain. But lowly? Harsh.

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i thought the cowboys had gotten old, worn out qbs out of their system. i thought when testeverde went to the showers for the last time, that was gonna be it! now bledsoe comes along and is as totally unremarkable as vinny ever was, in his first gm vs the cards. i know it's only the first gm [and preseason to boot], but i had hoped he remembered how to get a first down with all those yrs of nfl experience!

and the future of that position doesn't exactly blind u either. after a yr back in pads, henson can't even beat out the chief officer in charge of gatorade distribution, lowly tony romo, for back up. if bledsoe gets hurt, no problem, we have it covered! we have other qbs who cant go in there and do absolutely nothing as well, just like he does!
Have you even been paying attention to the Cowboy's TC? Romo has been one of this year's stand outs. On numerous occasions he has been complimented by Bill in press conferences. Do you just assume he's pathetic because you've never heard of him before and he was a third stringer?

Don't tell me you've only judged him from last pre-season because those stats certaintly won't help you any.

Aikman on many accounts has said he's been impressed with Romo's arm. In 2003 I actually read an article in the daily eastern news which said Romo was clocked by scouts throwing the ball at 57 mph at the NFL combine. This is impressive compared to Brett Favre who throws the ball at 61 mph, only 4 mph's faster.

He has plenty of zip, but not only that, he knows when to use all the zip and when to throw the touch passes. He is miles and miles ahead of Henson at this point and I would much rather have Romo as the second stringer at this point. Romo also has the brains to do the job.

He may not be the next John Elway, but he is not Clint Stoerner either........
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Have you even been paying attention to the Cowboy's TC? Romo has been one of this year's stand outs. On numerous occasions he has been complimented by Bill in press conferences. Do you just assume he's pathetic because you've never heard of him before and he was a third stringer?

he's always great in the preseason.

Don't tell me you've only judged him from last pre-season because those stats certaintly won't help you any.

what else would i use? they won't let him into a real gm. why didn't bill send him in last yr after we were out of the playoff picture and vinny was counting the days until retirement?


Aikman on many accounts has said he's been impressed with Romo's arm. In 2003 I actually read an article in the daily eastern news which said Romo was clocked by scouts throwing the ball at 57 mph at the NFL combine. This is impressive compared to Brett Favre who throws the ball at 61 mph, only 4 mph's faster.

in addition to throwing the ball really hard, qbs have to move the sticks.


He has plenty of zip, but not only that, he knows when to use all the zip and when to throw the touch passes. He is miles and miles ahead of Henson at this point and I would much rather have Romo as the second stringer at this point. Romo also has the brains to do the job.

if romo is so great, why did jj swing a deal for henson in the first place?

He may not be the next John Elway, but he is not Clint Stoerner either........

i'll eat my words if he makes me, otherwise we'll have this discussion once again next summer.
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Romo is what he is. A young QB that is 2nd or 3rd string depending on the game, hasn't really gotten any playing time to speak of and you hope if he needs to come in the team does ok. Like every other 2nd or 3rd stringer in the league.
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Have you even been paying attention to the Cowboy's TC? Romo has been one of this year's stand outs. On numerous occasions he has been complimented by Bill in press conferences. Do you just assume he's pathetic because you've never heard of him before and he was a third stringer?

he's always great in the preseason.

Don't tell me you've only judged him from last pre-season because those stats certaintly won't help you any.

what else would i use? they won't let him into a real gm. why didn't bill send him in last yr after we were out of the playoff picture and vinny was counting the days until retirement?


Aikman on many accounts has said he's been impressed with Romo's arm. In 2003 I actually read an article in the daily eastern news which said Romo was clocked by scouts throwing the ball at 57 mph at the NFL combine. This is impressive compared to Brett Favre who throws the ball at 61 mph, only 4 mph's faster.

in addition to throwing the ball really hard, qbs have to move the sticks.


He has plenty of zip, but not only that, he knows when to use all the zip and when to throw the touch passes. He is miles and miles ahead of Henson at this point and I would much rather have Romo as the second stringer at this point. Romo also has the brains to do the job.

if romo is so great, why did jj swing a deal for henson in the first place?

He may not be the next John Elway, but he is not Clint Stoerner either........

i'll eat my words if he makes me, otherwise we'll have this discussion once again next summer.

Learn to use the qoute button.

Why wouldn't he swing a deal to Henson? I'm not saying Romo's the Cowboy's future, but he's a solid backup. It's called depth.
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I thought Drew Henson was your "Good" QB.
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There is no good QB in Dallas. Bledsoe is past his prime (as average as his prime was) and the other two haven't done diddily poo.

But my thoughts on this are well documented here. No need to
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Romo? Henson?

Makes me feel pretty good about my 2 sissy QB's
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Makes me feel pretty good about my 2 sissy QB's
Boy, it is good to see the confidence you have in your 2 QB's.
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i dont think hensons as bad as you guys say i think his future is almost as bright as carrs but there bothe gonan bwe great hopefully why is everyone saying henson sucks and stuff it was his first year
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It's not so much that he sucks. He just won't ever see the field. Can't improve if you don't play.
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It's a shame because the cowboys have had all those 5-win seasons since Aikman to draft a QB in the top of first 1st round but instead have gone with reaches in the 2nd/3rd and has-been/never-been free agents.
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It's a shame because the cowboys have had all those 5-win seasons since Aikman to draft a QB in the top of first 1st round but instead have gone with reaches in the 2nd/3rd and has-been/never-been free agents.

Who could we have drafted that has proven himself in the NFL as of now?
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Who could we have drafted that has proven himself in the NFL as of now?
The most obvious one to me would be Byron Leftwich back in 03 when Dallas picked up Newman. Another guy I like alot Matt Schaub, but he's backing up Vick so no one has seen much of him yet.
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The most obvious one to me would be Byron Leftwich back in 03 when Dallas picked up Newman. Another guy I like alot Matt Schaub, but he's backing up Vick so no one has seen much of him yet.
I'd much rather take Newman over Leftwich anyday. Can't beat being co-rookie of the year in 2003. He was one of the biggest factors in Dallas's #1 defense, 10-6 run.

There was a great article on Newman in the Austin-American Statesman today:

OXNARD, Calif. -- Dallas Cowboys cornerback Terence Newman waited for the right moment. Then he darted in and made the play.

With rookie Rob Petitti talking to reporters, Newman came around the group, reached in and popped his teammate on the side of the head -- not with his pads or helmet, but with a punching puppet he'd borrowed from a fan. Laughing and still moving, Newman ran off to sneak up on another unsuspecting friend.

OK, so it's nothing like intercepting a pass and returning it for a touchdown. But it is a sign that the lively, energetic Newman the Cowboys had in 2003 is back, replacing the hesitant, sometimes-lost version from 2004.

"Last year was last year," he said. "I don't remember much from last year."

That's exactly what Coach Bill Parcells wants to hear. He thinks Newman's sophomore slump came from the speedy cornerback having a few bad breaks early on and letting them nag him, which in turn led to more problems.

"He got beat, couldn't find the ball a couple times, got a penalty . . . it just snowballs," Parcells said. "If you can't forget, it's going to be hard for you to be successful. It isn't going to go good all the time."

Newman had reason to think it might.

A star in high school and college, in football and in track, his combination of ability and pizazz reminded the Cowboys of Deion Sanders, and they used the fifth pick of the 2003 draft to get him. Newman started right away at left cornerback on what became the league's top-ranked defense, helping Dallas go 10-6 and make the playoffs.

That off-season, the Cowboys lost their right cornerback and didn't replace him, instead gambling that holdovers and newcomers could pick up the slack. They couldn't. Injuries, including a career-ender for safety Darren Woodson, only made things worse for the secondary.

Perhaps trying to do too much, Newman wound up doing less. Even with unproven players around him, teams didn't hesitate to throw his way.

The result: Opposing quarterbacks completed 61.8 percent of their passes, the highest ever against a Dallas defense. The 31 passing touchdowns allowed matched the second-worst. Five covered at least 50 yards, which helps explain why the Cowboys gave up 898 more yards through the air than the previous season.

So the Cowboys made big changes this off-season.

The day free agency began they signed cornerback Anthony Henry, then later added Aaron Glenn. Their arrival turned last year's rookie regulars into sophomore backups and, best of all, should maximize Newman's skills.

Consider this: Newman has become so unburdened that Parcells is considering using him to cover slot receivers in three-cornerback formations and may finally let him show off on punt returns.

"He looks to be much improved," Parcells said. "But what happens when he gets stung the first time? That's what you're waiting for."

Glenn, a 12-year veteran, is tutoring Newman.

"He's by far one of the quicker, faster, better corners that I've seen," Glenn said. "He's an explosive guy that can make a lot of plays. If he can get his hands on the ball, it's going to be trouble for a lot of teams."

Returning punts is another way Newman can be a troublemaker. He had 27 returns in college and took three to the end zone, averaging 15.4 yards overall. That 1-in-9 scoring ratio sounds pretty good to a club that hasn't had a punt return for a touchdown since Thanksgiving 2001, a span of 55 games.

Newman's focus remains on becoming one of the best cornerbacks in the NFL, the kind said to make quarterbacks ignore their side of the field.

"I don't know if there's a corner who can completely take away half the field -- maybe a quarter of it. And I got that covered," he said, laughing. "Half the field? I'm still working on that."

-http://www.statesman.com/sports/cont...671630083.html


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I really wouldn't consider Bledsoe a "bad" QB. At the end of 2004 he really stepped it up for the Bills and almost led them to the playoffs.

We'll see what he can really do when he takes it to the field against San Diego on September 11th. He won't be half bad with Jason Witten, Terry Glenn, and Keyshawn, not to mention a solid RB in Julius Jones.
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The most obvious one to me would be Byron Leftwich back in 03 when Dallas picked up Newman. Another guy I like alot Matt Schaub, but he's backing up Vick so no one has seen much of him yet.

To me Lefty hasnt proven it yet. He's been avg.. If we would had got him we stll be looking for a CB. Our CB's werer horribble last year and the was with Newman.

As far as Schaub goes I dont know what round he went so I cant say anything about drafting. I dont see why we would trade for him. He hasnt proven he's any better than what we have.
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The Cowboys should have done whatever it took to get Kerry Collins when they had the chance. I know he was contacted and may have even come to Dallas but obviously decided to go to Oakland.
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