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Old 08-14-2005   #41
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I will never buy season tickets as long as I must also buy a preseason package at the same price as the regular season. It's an insult and an affront to my sensibilities.
Or the insult would be if they halved the price of the pre-season games and then distributed the difference across the regular season games so the same money was collected and then acted as if they were doing you or anyone else a favor--but hey, your sensibilities would be met. Do you feel better now?
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I don't think Bottle O Bud is being serious. It's hard to tell though because I always take the message boards so seriously.
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Geez, we had like 5 simultaneous posts (and now I'm making it worse).
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I don't go, and for the reasons stated. My point was that alot of people expect to see the best possible product on the field if they are going to pay premium prices. So, when fans come to a MB and start complaining about not trying to win a preseason game, I believe this is part of the rational. I am simply trying to explain the thought processes behind a lot of the complaining. Would you want to go to a Merecedes dealership, and pay 50k for what you thought would be a Mercedes, only to drive out in a Hyundai? I have heard this from many people. You people think I make this stuff up or something? Not everyone is a kool-aid drinker.
Okay, but what do you think is going to allow fans to see the best possible product when it counts on sept. 11, if they don't have these full speed, live competition practices called the PRE SEASON? You cannot get that kind of look by just practicing against the scout team. I am sure you understand that. People like yourself need to also understand that we are not paying 50k for a Mercedes and getting a Hyundai. We are paying 50k for a look at next years Mercedes that is not out and no one else has seen it yet. That is exciting for some of us and that is why we will pay the price. If you are fine with not getting a look at the new model then don't PAY and wait for the real thing. That is all I am sayin.
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I am paying around $350 to watch the Texans on TV this year.

So I don't feel sorry for people (even during preseason), who get to go hang out with other Texans fans(you don't realise how much you'll miss this till it's gone), drink some beer, BBQ, check out the cheerleaders and root for the Texans in person. (I search for news on the Texans like a crack addict in need of a fix. I got Satalite Radio, read the Chronicle and various other sources online but it doesn't seem to quite satify my itch. Hopefully NFL Sunday Ticket in HD will do the trick)

Also, True tailgaters need a Preseason to get ready for the real season, to build up their tollerance, practicing their heckling, and hone their face painting skills.

I can't wait for the season to begin!!
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I am paying around $350 to watch the Texans on TV this year.

So I don't feel sorry for people (even during preseason), who get to go hang out with other Texans fans(you don't realise how much you'll miss this till it's gone), drink some beer, BBQ, check out the cheerleaders and root for the Texans in person. (I search for news on the Texans like a crack addict in need of a fix. I got Satalite Radio, read the Chronicle and various other sources online but it doesn't seem to quite satify my itch. Hopefully NFL Sunday Ticket in HD will do the trick)

Also, True tailgaters need a Preseason to get ready for the real season, to build up their tollerance, practicing their heckling, and hone their face painting skills.

I can't wait for the season to begin!!
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True tailgaters do not need a preseason to get ready for the real season. That's a common misconception due to the fact that they can and will tailgate anything that even remotely resembles a game.
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The Texans are 2-12 in preseason games.
Not that it matters, it's preseason.
IMO preseason is just to knock the rust off the starters and see how the depth stacks up. I think that our depth, being such a new franchise, is just now developing so it has resulted in quite a few losses in preseason. Now as for the goal line attempt the other night I would rather Dom use preseason to experiment and maybe find some something we can use in reg season than to just rely on what is obvious. I have faith that we will punch it through when it counts more times than not. With all that said the coaches can achieve the main objectives without necessarily winning hence 2-12.
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Or the insult would be if they halved the price of the pre-season games and then distributed the difference across the regular season games so the same money was collected and then acted as if they were doing you or anyone else a favor--but hey, your sensibilities would be met. Do you feel better now?
As long as they don't force people to buy the preseason package, I have no problem with your suggestion. That's supply and demand. What isn't supply and demand is FORCING people to buy tickets to an inferior product in order to qualify to buy tickets for the superior product. Now, they can charge 10 thousand a ticket for all I care. If there are 70 someodd thousand *****s out there willing to pay it more power to them. They can charge anything they want for preseason tickets. Again, if their is enough demand, the market will dictate the price. The problem here is that the market is not dictating the price. They know well and good that every stadium in this league would be very lucky to be even close to half full at regular season prices. Instead of letting the market work (ie lowering the costs until consumers feel the product has a fair price) they instead force their patrons to purchase the inferior product tickets to have the right to buy the superior tickets. This is very close to getting into anti competitive or anti-trust problems, but the bigshots in Washington will never call them on it. I feel the same way about Drayton McClain and his refusal to allow outside drinks or food into his stadium. Talk about anti competitve...don't get me started....don't even get me started. :brickwall
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The problem here is that the market is not dictating the price.
The market has determined already that the price they charge is supported otherwise the games wouldn't be sold out. See, I think the problem here is having a price printed on season tickets. This debate wouldn't exist if all they told you was 1 season ticket for all home games is $X--you wouldn't know if you were getting the pre-season tickets for free or at the same price.

Now if you want to get me on a rant about individual pricing try talking about individually priced options on cars that you can't purchase individually--ex. on Nissan Titan pickups you can only purchase the $750 sun roof if you purchase the $2000 DVD player.
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The market has determined already that the price they charge is supported otherwise the games wouldn't be sold out.
The games are not sold out because the market has supported it at the price charged imo, the games are sold out because there is enough demand for regular season tickets that people accept the preseason package so they can get the regular season package. The only way to know if you are right or I am right is to stop forcing folks to buy preseason games in order to purchase season tickets. If they did that, and the games still sold out at thier current price, I would be wrong. Even in that event, I just feel it is fundamentally wrong to make people buy one inferior product in order to qualify for the better product. Give people a choice. Some folks may opt to purchase the exhibition games along with regular games. That's fine. Others may opt not to. Last time I looked you can ask for 32 thousand different combinations of Whataburgers, but can only get one combination of season tickets? What is this, communist China!
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a good compromise might be to purchase the season tickets and sell the preseason ones.
I don't really agree with your posts on this matter, but I will admit that you would most likely have a difficult time getting the price printed on the preseason tickets...
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That does sound a bit high and mighty doesn't it. Hehehehe.
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I feel the same way about Drayton McClain and his refusal to allow outside drinks or food into his stadium. Talk about anti competitve...don't get me started....don't even get me started. :brickwall
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At the Irvine Spectrum Center (Orange County's version of the The Woodlands Pavillion) a Corona costs $12 and a Domestic Beer cost $10.
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