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Old 08-14-2005   #21
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I hope the goalline failure was a wakeup call for Capers and his entire staff. You CANT take, arguably, one of the worst offensive lines in the league, go to an I formation, and run the ball up the middle 4 times !! Name me ONE successful NFL team that does this on a consistent basis.... You can ? hmm 1 out of of 32.. tells ya something doesn't it.
A preseason game is THE time to run the ball up the gut on the goal line over and over. Get it on tape and figure out just who is getting their blocks and who isn't. I'm not directing anything at you but I don't think some of you guys understand preseason football.
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Hate to break it to you.....but the Texans really aren't one of the worst lines in the league. There are much worse. If anything, they excel at run blocking. Pass blocking is where it gets shoddy. Not making it in was terrible but as a coach you expect it to make it in. I'm sure the Colts would have loved to get in too against the Pats. Just gotta give the defense credit. I'm sure we would be singing the praises of our D-Line if the roles were reversed and not calling Mike Shanahan an *****. But then again.......its PRESEASON.
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I hope the goalline failure was a wakeup call for Capers and his entire staff. You CANT take, arguably, one of the worst offensive lines in the league, go to an I formation, and run the ball up the middle 4 times !! Name me ONE successful NFL team that does this on a consistent basis.... You can ? hmm 1 out of of 32.. tells ya something doesn't it.
WHY??? Why should the coaching staff take tehe four failed attempts seriously? They obvisouly wanted to see Smith at fullback, and teh time to due that is now in the PRESEASON when the cames mean less the bag of grass clippings sitting in my garage. I seriously doubt that the coaches would run the same four times in the regular season when the games count; and if you think that since they did it last night they would do it after Sept 11th you need to reevualate how you watch and process the NFL.

On the flip side, I'm rather to see that alot of people seem to be a bit testy after a loss, the honeymoon is definitly over; and everybody seems to now expect more form this team.
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The teams have created their own monster on this one. If the owners are going to treat it like a regular season game, ie. charge regular season game pricing, than the fans have a right to expect to see thier teams best performance and players.
No they don't. Fans should be sophisticated enough to know that preseason games are necessary to get teams ready for the regular season. It's not a "real" game, you know that coming in. If you don't want to pay full price for these 2 games in order to have reserved seats for the 8 regular season games, the NFL knows that someone like me will.

This is the 4th preseason for the Texans. We should all know by now that Dom Capers will not gameplan until the 3rd preseason game. And he'll still keep things close to the vest. I'm just so happy I got to see some football & tailgate a little. Heck, I think I'll do it all over again next Saturday!
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WHY??? Why should the coaching staff take tehe four failed attempts seriously? They obvisouly wanted to see Smith at fullback, and teh time to due that is now in the PRESEASON when the cames mean less the bag of grass clippings sitting in my garage. I seriously doubt that the coaches would run the same four times in the regular season when the games count; and if you think that since they did it last night they would do it after Sept 11th you need to reevualate how you watch and process the NFL.

On the flip side, I'm rather to see that alot of people seem to be a bit testy after a loss, the honeymoon is definitly over; and everybody seems to now expect more form this team.
As I recall from watching some of those games, the FRIDGE actually carried the ball.
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No they don't. Fans should be sophisticated enough to know that preseason games are necessary to get teams ready for the regular season. It's not a "real" game, you know that coming in. If you don't want to pay full price for these 2 games in order to have reserved seats for the 8 regular season games, the NFL knows that someone like me will.

This is the 4th preseason for the Texans. We should all know by now that Dom Capers will not gameplan until the 3rd preseason game. And he'll still keep things close to the vest. I'm just so happy I got to see some football & tailgate a little. Heck, I think I'll do it all over again next Saturday!
I think that's the point. As long as there are enough people like yourself that don't mind being bent over and reamed by the NFL, then by golly, there are enough greedy owners that will gladly take your money. But, I also know not everyone is like that, and actually like to see a top notch product for top notch prices. I will never buy season tickets as long as I must also buy a preseason package at the same price as the regular season. It's an insult and an affront to my sensibilities. I only wish I was still in the furniture business. I would have loved to seen you coming. I could have sold you a Loveseat for the price of a full length couch, and not only would you not have complained, you would have asked for more. How about an end table for the price of a dining room table. I still have friends that I'm sure can hook you up. I bet Mcnair loves customers like you. I am sure you are also in line for your $8 dollar beer, and your $5 dollar hotdog. As PT Barnum used to say, there's a sucker born every minute.
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I think that's the point. As long as there are enough people like yourself that don't mind being bent over and reamed by the NFL, then by golly, there are enough greedy owners that will gladly take your money. But, I also know not everyone is like that, and actually like to see a top notch product for top notch prices. I will never buy season tickets as long as I must also buy a preseason package at the same price as the regular season. It's an insult and an affront to my sensibilities. I only wish I was still in the furniture business. I would have loved to seen you coming. I could have sold you a Loveseat for the price of a full length couch, and not only would you not have complained, you would have asked for more. How about an end table for the price of a dining room table. I still have friends that I'm sure can hook you up. I bet Mcnair loves customers like you. I am sure you are also in line for your $8 dollar beer, and your $5 dollar hotdog. As PT Barnum used to say, there's a sucker born every minute.
If they didn't charge for the preseason they would have to charge you much more for the regular season games. I agree with you though. What's going to be real interesting is if the fans start leaving early which is what McClain was saying was happening last night. Right now McNair ain't being hurt in the pocket book and his embarrassements have been relegated to the expansion club excuse, but at some point the gloves will come off.
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Right now McNair ain't being hurt in the pocket book and his embarrassements have been relegated to the expansion club excuse, but at some point the gloves will come off.
What 'embarrassments'?
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GEEEZ one pre-season game and we need to fire the whole staff already huh, man i love yalls over view on a game where our starters play one series, and the rest is back up players. I wont jump to any conclusions until the final second of our first game against the bills on 9/11 !!!!!
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Mr. McNair is awesome.. please dont question his motivation when it comes to prices or loyalty to the fans.

Keep in mind that he was expecting MAYBE 500 million to bring a team to houston.. but went ahead and took out loans for the full 700 million that was required. he is STILL paying for this team and probably will be for a good while longer.

I dont care if the rest of the league makes preseason games free.. I would still pay to get in just cause I know its helping Mr. McNair pay off the debt that much quicker.
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some of yall need to look at the bright side !!!
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Mr. McNair is awesome.. please dont question his motivation when it comes to prices or loyalty to the fans.

Keep in mind that he was expecting MAYBE 500 million to bring a team to houston.. but went ahead and took out loans for the full 700 million that was required. he is STILL paying for this team and probably will be for a good while longer.

I dont care if the rest of the league makes preseason games free.. I would still pay to get in just cause I know its helping Mr. McNair pay off the debt that much quicker.
Mr. Mcnair is beyond reproach? What is he a Saint? Did he get carved into the side of Mt. Rushmore when I wasn't looking or something? I fully understand the intent of preseason games, and have no problems at all with it. What I have a problem with is charging paying customers the same price for an inferior product, and especially FORCING said customers to purchase the inferior product to have an opportunity to buy the superior product. I'm glad to know you will help Mr. Mcnair pay for his team seeing as the Texans are one of the high revenue clubs. I'm sure he will appreciate your hard earned money as he flys around on luxury airplanes, and limo's. It might come in handy if he wants to move up to the Russian cavier and stop eating that inferior cavaier he has been forced to eat on his Lear jet.
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Wow, first off, yall all need to take a step back, and let me say something...

I moved to Chandler, AZ back in January. Yall are sitting here whining about paying regular season prices for preseason games.

Last night, I went with some friends to go check out the Cardinals vs. Cowgirls game, expecting to just buy a cheapy endzone seat for like 20 bucks. Well, I wasn't familiar with the Bidwell family and the BS that fans here have dealt with for years (what fans are left the Bidwells didn't piss off to no end).

You think what Bud Adams did was bad? He did us a favor by leaving. What the Bidwells have done here is hold football fans prisoner. When we walked up to the game last night, they had actually closed off the seats that were cheaper, and the only seats you could buy were $58. FIFTY EIGHT BUCKS!!! That was the cheapest.

Apparently, this is quite common, and the Bidwells have actually done this for regular season games as well, blocked off the cheap seats.

Folks, quit your b!tchin' because as Texans fans, we've got it good.
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Man you guys are going a little overboard after only the first PRE SEASON game. I think Vinny is the only person that is speaking rationally about the first game and about what the pre season is for. Guys that are screaming for a coach to be fired after a PRE SEASON game obviously don't know what it is all about (Bottle O Bud).
Oh and by the way PORKY maybe you should take a chill. If you don't like pre season prices then don't go. Watch it on tv or listen to it on the radio. If that doesn't work for you maybe you should move to Canada and become a CFL fan. I hear there ticket prices are pretty cheap all year round.
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I believe Carr was alluduing to the fact that we only have two goal line plays installed this early in the preseason. As you practice more and more plays, they get installed in the game day playbook.
The coaching staff will install more of the offense as the regular season approaches.
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Oh and by the way PORKY maybe you should take a chill. If you don't like pre season prices then don't go. Watch it on tv or listen to it on the radio. If that doesn't work for you maybe you should move to Canada and become a CFL fan. I hear there ticket prices are pretty cheap all year round.
I don't go, and for the reasons stated. My point was that alot of people expect to see the best possible product on the field if they are going to pay premium prices. So, when fans come to a MB and start complaining about not trying to win a preseason game, I believe this is part of the rational. I am simply trying to explain the thought processes behind a lot of the complaining. Would you want to go to a Merecedes dealership, and pay 50k for what you thought would be a Mercedes, only to drive out in a Hyundai? I have heard this from many people. You people think I make this stuff up or something? Not everyone is a kool-aid drinker.
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now i know how some others feel here. intelligent posts go ignored.

Porky.....Texans fans have it good man.
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I've concluded that I no longer want to go to preseason games. To borrow Porky's analogy I've always known that this "Mercedes dealership" was selling me a Hyundai during the preseason but I'm no longer so starved for football that I'll pay that Mercedes price tag.

It just makes no sense to me at this point though I admit I've paid for tickets the last two years. I understand why they don't put much focus on winning and agree with it but I can no longer justify to myself paying full price to watch a team that's not trying to win all that hard.

I'll go to regular season games and pass on the preseason games from now on.
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I think, to be fair, that owners should offer preseason games at a lower price than regular season games. People go knowing they aren't going to see the team at their best or even the best players. It would create goodwill between the owners and fans and I don't imagine too many owners would go hungry over the loss of a few dollars per ticket. It won't happen but it's just a thought.
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Porky.....Texans fans have it good man.
So your rational to this is "they all do it"? That's a good one. So now we are talking about degrees of bad are we? So, I got the Hyundai and you got the 88 Yugo, so I should feel better about my deal than you do on yours? Listen, where I come from wrong is wrong. Ripped off is ripped off. Trying to rationalize a team charging regular season prices to watch a bunch of guys play who won't be there in two weeks, while the coaching staff experiments, and could care less if they win or not is wrong. So, it's no surprise that Bidwell is more wrong than Mcnair. Either way, it's wrong, and I wouldn't buy season tickets under that scenerio for any price. There are thousands of Houston Texans fans who agree with me. It's just that there are enough people who don't mind being reamed that the NFL and it's owners don't have anything to worry about in this regard. The reason they do it is because they can.
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