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Old 08-13-2005   #1
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Ok all in all this was a most excellent experience. I got to the Orange lot about 2 hours before game time where I had a bbq sandwhich and a beer while walking around and people/tailgate watching. Very fun. Went on inside and here are my thoughts on the Texans 1st preseason game.

Things I liked:
1. 1st offense looked good. I thought Riley did a good job. Very concerned with Wiegart going down. He was laying down for so long. I hope he'll be ok.
2. 1st defense looked pretty good.
3. Gary Walker did well, and I thought he looked ready to play.
4. Babin/Drob are progressing nicely
5. DD was cruising
6. Hollings had some nice plays
7. Cheerleaders are hotter than ever. One of them was having minor wardrobe issues, but I wasnt complaining...hehe

Disapointments
1. The rookies: TJ roughing the passer, Morency looking lost, Hogden false start, Mathis no receptions (I dont think)
2. BJ Symmons: As much love as I have because he's local, this kid needs to be cut. He looked like a scared HS kid
3. I was disapointed with Peek. I was hoping he'd be one of my brighest points, but he was offsides once, and many times was practically taken out of the play by the OT. Denver does have very good OTs though
4. Disapointed with Pbuch. I thought he was going to be faster. I saw him get beat multiple times, and he would make the tackle after giving up the catch, but he didnt seem to know the ball was coming.

All in all Im intrigued. Last year I saw Drob fall down while backpedaling in the preseason and then he rebounded nicely, so I wont judge the rookies yet. The game was a blast and I highly recommend going to everyone!!
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7. Cheerleaders are hotter than ever. One of them was having minor wardrobe issues, but I wasnt complaining...hehe
Let's cut straight to the important issues....
Was it one of the twins?
Tell us more of this wardrobe issue.
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buchannon didnt look good

i thougt peek played pretty well. he was close to some big plays and he made some good tackles. but most impressive is that he seemed to always be in the right spot. i remember a bootleg that he stayed home and made the qb pass the ball. it was a completion but was not his fault. he did his job. he seemed to be in on a few running plays also.
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Let's cut straight to the important issues....
Was it one of the twins?
Tell us more of this wardrobe issue.
Haha, Well I was sitting in section 131 if anyone else knows what I am talking about. I don't think it was one of the twins. Anyway, baasically her pants were a bit low for the 2nd half so she had some undergarments showing. The cheerleader coach came over to her once or twice to ask her to retuck.

As for the actual football--

I guess the comment about Peek was in reference to comparing his energy for this game to last years energy. last year he seemed like a bomb waiting to explode. he seemed much more controlled this game, and I was hoping for that raw energy again.
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When did PBuch get beat "Multiple times"? only thing that could be considering being beat was that pass early to Lelie, and he had good technique just wasn't looking for the ball and was caught out of position, but he was there. No other plays against him stuck out in my mind. Granted he didnt make much of an impact but he was only in for 3-4 series.
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He was behind Lelie in that pass. Then there was another one where the pass was a deep throw down the sideline to the 20-25 or so, and he was running next to the receiver but not seeming to know where the ball was. It looked like it could have been an easily defended pass.
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my thoughts.

First offense and defense both looked good. Buchanan didnt impress but I thought everyone else looked good.

Wells looked good out there as well.. I think between Wells, Hollings, and Morency.. wells looks like the best candidate for #2 at this point.

Morency looked like a rook whos gonna need time to learn how to play in the NFL.

Kasper looked good... Starling didnt. Im thinking Johnson, Gaffney, Armstrong, Mathis, Bradford, and Kasper all make the team. Starling goes back to PT.

Hodgedon isnt ready to start.

all in all i thought the line looked ALOT better. Carr had protection.

We gotta do SOMETHING about our goalline situations.. 4 tries and no TD? ugh.

Matt Murphy did an impressive job.


All in all i think we looked really good for our first preseason game.
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I think our RB situation is looking very good. Wells didn't look like his normal 2 yards and a cloud of dust self. He didn't back into the line, he ran with a burst, and he fought for extra yards. Hollings displayed a veteran savvy that was absent his past two seasons. I think he's starting to really catch on. Morency has the physical attributes of a solid running back, he's exceptionally quick. If he can get himself into more of a north and south mindset, as well as calm some of his rookie jitters, I think he could be serving as our #2 at some point this season. It'll be a good battle among those guys. Wells ability to play both fullback and runningback may mean the end for Jarrod Baxter's stay with the Texans.
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I was really impressed by Morency's quickness and acceleration. Even though he had a couple busted plays, the ability is definitely there.
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Things I liked:

1st team offense and defense seemed to have the upper hand on the line of scrimmage. I was pleasantly surprised and encouraged by that. DD ran the ball well. I'm not counting the the 4 handoffs at the goal-line because Denver knew what was coming on all four downs. Capers wanted to see if they could get it in anyway. They didn't, and they'll regret it this week in practice.

I thought that both Riley and Seth Wand played well, especially Wand.

Antwan Peek seemed to be focusing on being in the right position, but he's still thinking, and not reacting instinctively, but I'm not worried about it. He'll get better.

Hollings carried the ball real well.

The things I didn't like:

First and foremost was the obvious lack of depth. The drop off in talent between the 1st and 2nd teams was very apparent.

Buchannon let his man get open a couple of times, but then, so did DRob.

Morency is a fumble waiting to happen. He's got the quickness, but he dances around too much. He's going to learn it the hard way just like DD learned it the hard way, but it will take time.
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I sat in section 129 row A and i saw what he was talking about
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Liked

The first offense (except the goalline stop)
The first defense
Was really impressed with Afred Malone #66. He was always around the ball. He looked pretty good for an undrafted rookie.
Van Pelt, I liked him in college (think Denver would take Ragone and Symmons for him).

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Non-starting secondary, they seemed lost all night.
Ragone and Symmons: Ragones passes were getting spiked like volleyballs, and Symmons didn't seem to realize that we were wearing white.
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I went over to the chronicle and listened to McClain and I would say he didn't like a lot of what he saw. He tried to remain somewhat positive, but you can read between the lines. He's very nervous about the high ankle sprain suffered by Wiegert, if that indeed is what it is. Said there were about 20 fans in the stands at the end of the game. If that was the case I would think an owner would be getting a little bit POed. McClain seemed to emphasize that the honey moon is over. Also said the Texans got more out of 3 days of practice than the game tonight at Reliant. He said something about no one should have paid money to see the game.

I believe AJ, Kasper and Mathis will be the starting receivers as of now. I firmly believe Gaffny has injury problems and he may be a no show for the beginning or the entire season. Wells got injured and he was probably the number 2 back. Its amazing how we start TC and the next thing you know we are nothing but a bunch of walking wounded before the season even starts. We do not have the depth to withstand these kinds of injuries.

To me the offense is doing very much the same as they were last year. We often did well on our 1st series of downs and then the you know what hit the fan. Everyone is talking about the 1st series going well, but I didn't see that the rest of the game. We have little if any consistancy and that continues to show. We do not stretch the field. In fact we are quite frankly boring to watch.

I think Swinton lost his job tonight and Mathis will be the return man and WR. PBuck will be his backup. Murphy might become the TE we need. I know we are trying to evaluate personnel, but we seem to put them in a position to fail. Apparently they have been talking about making some offensive line switches, but the injury to Wiegert may preclude them from doing that. I really believe we are not using our O-line players in the best way we could, but that's a coaching issue.

Its nonsense to say this is only preseason. Yes, preseason is a time to learn, but you would expect to see the changes yield some results. If they are not really showing their offense, I suspect we will be learning well into the season. That is not a good indicator of success. You know what, I think this idea that Palmer changed everything up and they have changed the blocking assignments is a lot of BS. I keep saying something is rotten in Denmark. I hope I'm wrong, but something really smells about this game.
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"Haha, Well I was sitting in section 131 if anyone else knows what I am talking about. I don't think it was one of the twins. Anyway, baasically her pants were a bit low for the 2nd half so she had some undergarments showing. The cheerleader coach came over to her once or twice to ask her to retuck"

But where are the PICTURES to prove this ?
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To me the offense is doing very much the same as they were last year. We often did well on our 1st series of downs and then the you know what hit the fan. Everyone is talking about the 1st series going well, but I didn't see that the rest of the game. We have little if any consistancy and that continues to show. We do not stretch the field. In fact we are quite frankly boring to watch.

Its nonsense to say this is only preseason. Yes, preseason is a time to learn, but you would expect to see the changes yield some results. If they are not really showing their offense, I suspect we will be learning well into the season. That is not a good indicator of success. You know what, I think this idea that Palmer changed everything up and they have changed the blocking assignments is a lot of BS. I keep saying something is rotten in Denmark. I hope I'm wrong, but something really smells about this game.
"We have little if any consistancy and that continues to show"

Are you even aware that most of the starters got pulled after the first series? That the only time you saw the first team play they drove 70 some yards and made it look easy?

If your point is that the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd string teams were not "consistent" with eachother......hmm....actually if that's your point then the reply isn't worth the digital ink.

Quick summary:

1st and 2nd team offenses went:

--drive ~70 yards to the 1 (before being stopped on the GL which I admit was disappointing, but not concerning)

--2nd team drives half the field and scores a touchdown vs. the 1st team Denver D

1st team defense:

--held Denver to 3 and out
--gave up a 1st down, then forced a punt (that was nearly blocked)

There's just not much there to be pessimistic about, no matter how hard-core pessimist you are. Everything that came after those series was simply a chance to evaluate individual players.
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OH.. and I think Shantee Orr (think thats how its spelled) is quickly earning himself a spot on the depth chart. It could be Babin and Peek starting with Anderson and Orr backing them up.
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easy there ibar.

first of all, gaffney will play this season and they have not inserted him into a game because of the contact. i would much rather him ease his way back than shove him in to get playing time like everyone else. dont worry, there is no conspiracy here.

what is the situation with wells being injured? i did not hear about that. i thought he did really well and think he is our #2 RB while playing #2 FB also.

alot of these injuries are just precautions for keeping full contact minimal. most of these guys would be playing if this were the regular season.

as far as the offense, i did see some things different, but im not offensive guru to where i could tell you many of the changes and schemes they showed. adding to that, we ran basic offense. here are a few observations i took note of: the audibles were not run to the right, we set up bootlegs well with the runs, they tried wells at FB, and lots of communication between the linemen. i also think they are commiting to getting some yards rather than an incomplete, and by that i mean carr moving around and throwing a shorter route rather than a deep ball.

the reason we did well on our 1st series is because our first stringers were in there. there is a problem with depth but that is no reason to say we are the same team as last season that has no consistency.

and btw, as a texan fan, im always excited to see them play - even if some think we are boring to watch.
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Some personal observations based on just watching the game live...

The good:
I thought there were plenty of changes to the first team offense. The rollouts really worked well. Getting Carr on the move alot is a good idea. The whole first team offense looked good to me. Carr actually had a pocket to work in when needed, and the run blocking was excellent. Riley simply devoured his man a couple of times. He has the lead going into week 2 in my mind, although Wand did well too. In general, the first team Oline gets an A in my book.

Wells looked the best I have ever seen him. I also liked the plays where he lined up at FB and took a swing pass. He ran with authority and found the creases in the defense, and wasn't hesitant at all. Great job Wells! Hollings also looked the best I have seen yet, finally running a bit more north-south, although he has the speed to take it wide and run by guys at times too. It's very evident to me that we have the best group of RB's by far in year 4.

On defense, I liked what I saw from the first team, and some of the second team as well. I thought Robaire Smith and Gary Walker were really holding the point of attack well. This bodes well for us in the regular season. The line in general was really doing it's job well. Greenwood looked very athletic, but I didn't see anything that jumped out at me. Robinson was great in limited duty. Orr made some athletic plays on D and ST. He is a keeper. A guy who I had never heard of - Alfred Malone - really jumped out at me. Granted he was playing against 2nd and 3rd teamers, but he made a case for himself to at least make the practice squad. Jason Bell also flashed. Here was a guy I thought had little chance to make it again, and he showed last night he can cover, and can still be a good ST guy. He helped himself alot. Peek impressed me not because he played like a man possesed, but because he played an under controlled, disciplined game at OLB. He kept containment much better than last year, and although he didn't make a big play, he did all the little things right. I think in time, we will see the big plays return, but it is even more important to be a steady, consistent performer.

Now the bad:
Morency is not ready to play...yet. He has some pretty impressive talent for sure. He can cut on a dime, has impressive accelration, and the speed to turn the corner if needed. However, he was dancing way too much, and didn't always take the best path thru the d, often trying to bounce outside, when a move more up the gut would have been called for. He needs to develop a bit more patience, let his blocks develop, make his cut, and move thru the hole. In time, I think he has starters talent. Right now, I see him 3rd or even 4th on the depth chart with the talent we have now at RB.

It's obvious Ragone is an MVP canditite.....in NFL Europe. Playing against that grade of D, he might excel. In America, he is a 3rd stringer at best. In my mind, it's official. Using a 3rd rounder on Ragone was a mistake, and a bust. He cannot even excel againt NFL 2nd and 3rd stringers. What will he do against 1st team defenses if the need arose? I shudder to think.

Symons is not NFL ready, even as a 3rd stringer. Maybe they can stash him one more yr on IR after the shoulder injury. I think he deserves one more shot, but he is fading fast as far as a possible NFL career.

The one disapointment for the 1st team offense is not being able to move the ball one yard in 4 attempts. In the regular season, I doubt we run essentially the same play 4 times, but regardless, you have to punch it in there. Maybe Wells would have been able to power his way in, but again, this is preseason, and I'm sure he wanted to get Robaire, DD, and the oline on tape to evaulate, so once we get to the regular season, he will know better what to do.

That's the main things that stick out. After I watch the tape, I am sure I will see some things I missed.
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I went over to the chronicle and listened to McClain and I would say he didn't like a lot of what he saw. He tried to remain somewhat positive, but you can read between the lines. He's very nervous about the high ankle sprain suffered by Wiegert, if that indeed is what it is. Said there were about 20 fans in the stands at the end of the game. If that was the case I would think an owner would be getting a little bit POed. McClain seemed to emphasize that the honey moon is over. Also said the Texans got more out of 3 days of practice than the game tonight at Reliant. He said something about no one should have paid money to see the game.

I believe AJ, Kasper and Mathis will be the starting receivers as of now. I firmly believe Gaffny has injury problems and he may be a no show for the beginning or the entire season. Wells got injured and he was probably the number 2 back. Its amazing how we start TC and the next thing you know we are nothing but a bunch of walking wounded before the season even starts. We do not have the depth to withstand these kinds of injuries.

To me the offense is doing very much the same as they were last year. We often did well on our 1st series of downs and then the you know what hit the fan. Everyone is talking about the 1st series going well, but I didn't see that the rest of the game. We have little if any consistancy and that continues to show. We do not stretch the field. In fact we are quite frankly boring to watch.

I think Swinton lost his job tonight and Mathis will be the return man and WR. PBuck will be his backup. Murphy might become the TE we need. I know we are trying to evaluate personnel, but we seem to put them in a position to fail. Apparently they have been talking about making some offensive line switches, but the injury to Wiegert may preclude them from doing that. I really believe we are not using our O-line players in the best way we could, but that's a coaching issue.

Its nonsense to say this is only preseason. Yes, preseason is a time to learn, but you would expect to see the changes yield some results. If they are not really showing their offense, I suspect we will be learning well into the season. That is not a good indicator of success. You know what, I think this idea that Palmer changed everything up and they have changed the blocking assignments is a lot of BS. I keep saying something is rotten in Denmark. I hope I'm wrong, but something really smells about this game.
Wells was injuried? I didnt see this?
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The one disapointment for the 1st team offense is not being able to move the ball one yard in 4 attempts. In the regular season, I doubt we run essentially the same play 4 times, but regardless, you have to punch it in there.
One problem IMO was Robaire was coming off the snap like a DLmen and not a lead blocker. He fired off and ahead, generally crushing one or two people, but then D players flowed behind him to DD. Robaire needs to wait just long enough for DD to get the ball and get on his butt and then drive the train into the endzone.
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