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Old 08-08-2005   #21
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Bradford seems to catch everything in practice but can't catch a cold in a game that counts.
He had about 2 drops all of last year.
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He had about 2 drops all of last year.
He had some catches but he really disappears when he's needed most. I bet he got covered by a SS most of last year. Bradford simply does not step up and deliver game to game. He has great half-seasons not great seasons. Let one of the young guys get out there and do their thing.
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If we were to get ANYTHING like a 4th or better for Bradford, it would be the STEAL of the off season. CC would the GM of the year award for pulling it off.
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Why is it that people constantly want to get high picks for players they don't value themselves?

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I'd take cash and a conditional 7th rounder just to be done with him and let Armstrong get out there and do his thing. Bradford seems to catch everything in practice but can't catch a cold in a game that counts.
i'd take Mathis over Armstrong
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He had some catches but he really disappears when he's needed most. I bet he got covered by a SS most of last year. Bradford simply does not step up and deliver game to game. He has great half-seasons not great seasons. Let one of the young guys get out there and do their thing.
It wasnt Bradford's fault he disappeared. It was the O-line's fault for not giving Carr enough time to make his reads. Carr's read was AJ then Davis. Davis had more passes thrown his way last year than Bradford. Don't put that all on Bradford...
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If we were to get ANYTHING like a 4th or better for Bradford, it would be the STEAL of the off season. CC would the GM of the year award for pulling it off.
IMO if a team in need were to consider the success he had in GB and the possibility that maybe he may regain that success in a differnet system, i see it as not too far out of wack for that team(in need of course) to take a gamble on him for a 3rd or 4th round pick. remember, i am talking about a team in need, who already has most of the pieces to the puzzle but need a WR now. I think Bradford went on his journey in search of a big long term deal and was not able to get it. I dont think the eagles will mind giving up a 3rd rounder for a compliment to TO and a chance to win the SB. it wont happen with just TO. Im just rambling now. but realistically if a team is badly in need you dont think any might place value on a veteran reciever with speed who can step in immediately. I mean, alot has changed since Bradford went off in search of a new team and returned. People are hurt, and some lost for long times. teams will need to fill holes and will pay the price to do so. Again with Philly, they had no need for a WR a couple of months ago but now they are hurtin. if mathis and bradford look good in preseason than bradfords stock rises but would it still be worth it for us to trade him if he impresses?
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Why is it that people constantly want to get high picks for players they don't value themselves?

Will you buy my used shoes for $100? They are still wearable and you could use a pair. I just don't need them any more. Granted they are worth about $10, but will you give me $100 for them?
If were in the jungle with no shoes and no shoes available but your old ones and I had a 100 bucks. HELL YES! Things are worth what people will pay for them. Was Henson really worth a 3rd rounder?
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and after we trade Bradford to the Eagles for a 1st round pick, we can send Hollings to the Jaguars for their 1st round pick. After that we can trade a 7th round pick to the Ravens for Todd Heap.
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If were in the jungle with no shoes and no shoes available but your old ones and I had a 100 bucks. HELL YES! Things are worth what people will pay for them.

Was Henson really worth a 3rd rounder?
Until Parcells gives him a chance we will never know.
From what I read (IIRC) Parcells wasn't a fan of trading for Henson.
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Until Parcells gives him a chance we will never know.
From what I read (IIRC) Parcells wasn't a fan of trading for Henson.
Same holds true for a player like Hollings. Who btw i never said we could get a #1 for. We drafted him 3, it would be nice to get a 3 or 4. Or anyting! It would be nice to find out THIS year. Make or break. It is unlikely Davis will start every game this year. My hopes are Hollings gets the nod at #2 HB. I think the kid deserves a chance.
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i think they drafted morency for the number 2 runningback spot
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He had some catches but he really disappears when he's needed most. I bet he got covered by a SS most of last year. Bradford simply does not step up and deliver game to game. He has great half-seasons not great seasons. Let one of the young guys get out there and do their thing.
The entire team had a half season............
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If someone was really desperate.. maybe a 6th.
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He had some catches but he really disappears when he's needed most. I bet he got covered by a SS most of last year. Bradford simply does not step up and deliver game to game. He has great half-seasons not great seasons. Let one of the young guys get out there and do their thing.
I'm not a big fan of the "he disappears when he's needed most" angle when it comes to the Texans. It's the story of our offense in our short existence but it doesn't do the individual players justice. You literally cannot say that Bradford, Gaffney, or even at times AJ "disappears when he's needed most" like you would talk about Rober Horry doing his vanishing act back in his Rocket days. It's not the same thing.

To begin with Corey Bradford was a significant part of our offense in 2002 (pre AJ) and that came with Carr going down 76 times and no running game. When AJ got here Bradford took a back seat but it wasn't any different then the back seat that Jabar Gaffney and Avion Black took in 2002. There's only so much time for the rookie, then second year QB to read the D and throw the ball. In the Texans case there was even less time than that in 2002-2003. Primary reciever gets the look and then it's safety valve or run for your life.

If you want to accuse a guy of disappearing in a situation like that then be my guest but it's not right.

We have yet to see a QB have a) time, b) targets, and c)patience all together at one time.

When Carr has time to throw (IMO we'll see that this season), quality recievers to throw to (IMO we have that right now), and the patience/maturity to not go from primary to dump off without seeing the rest of the options then we're going to be cooking with fire.

There's nothing wrong with Bradford. He's fast, pretty reliable, and he works hard to get better. I don't think he's got trade value right now outside of a 4-5 maybe. Now if you are the Eagles and TO goes down for the season in training camp then I could see you talking a 3rd for Bradford.

They're not that hard up for a reciever yet though.
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Speaking of this team that would be willing to give us a 2nd for Bradford, do you think they might be interested in three magic beans to up it to a 1st?
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i think that the texans should trade him if mathis or armsrong do well in camp, try to get a late round pick or something
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i think that the texans should trade him if mathis or armsrong do well in camp, try to get a late round pick or something
You have obviously not read this thread. He has 0 trade value. The guy was a FA and couldnt get a one year deal from anyone.

And you have to have a couple of speed guys or AJ will get no room...
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i have been reading this thread. what i meant was if the younger recievers do well in training camp, then why not get rid of his salary, free up space for the younger guys, and get a 7th round draft pick?
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