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rittenhouserobz · 08-05-2005

I think the steelers QB last year had a shaky first start. Losman will no doubt have jitters. It will be his home crows. I am just glad we are not playing the Bills in late Dec up there.

tsip · 08-05-2005

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Originally Posted by Vinny

If it was just great coaching why can't Shanahan win without Elway? He was considered the brightest mind then, but since the talent's gone, so is his Einstein label. Winning teams need a strong foundation of talent from top to bottom. That's why thin teams don't win much. If you have a strong foundation then you can seed that with a few skill guys who can dominate and you have a winning formula. The Pats have not been the same since Brady replaced Bledsoe....they have dominated in the Brady era.

I'm not a Shanahan fan but were'nt the Broncos 10-6 last year? Playoffs?

Diehardtexan · 08-05-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by TexasAggie

JIMMY JOHNSON IN DALLAS VS MIAMI ?????

Jon Gruden in Tampa...Chucky isn't that smart any more...

tsip · 08-05-2005

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Originally Posted by Diehardtexan

Jon Gruden in Tampa...Chucky isn't that smart any more...

...same goes for great players--remember Aikman and Smith's last years
together?

TheOgre · 08-05-2005

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Originally Posted by texansfan88

I'm up here in Green Bay and saw JP and Holcomb tear the packer secondary apart... beware

I think Ryan Leaf could tear apart the Packers secondary.

TheOgre · 08-05-2005

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Originally Posted by TexasAggie

JIMMY JOHNSON IN DALLAS VS MIAMI ?????

Part of his problem was that he had never dealt with the salary cap. I think that played into his failure in Miami. It is a different NFL world from 1993.

Vambo, the Marble Eye · 08-05-2005

Football is no different than any other venture where human talent is joined together to achieve an objective or task.

You guys, it is just too simplist to apply a "one or the other" formula... so the debate of great coach, great players, owner involvement in game related decisions, luck, etc... continues because THAT IS WHY THEY PLAY THE GAME AND KEEP SCORE. (I like football more than most other sports because it is rare to see a game end up as a draw... I hate that!)

Nobody debates that without above average talent you can not win in the NFL... and obviously some talent combined with a poor game strategy doom a team to playing like the Saints have for 30+ years.

Damn, the season needs to start... NOW! It is official- I LIVE for SUNDAY... or whatever day they are playing.

**TEXANS84** · 08-05-2005

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Originally Posted by texansfan88

I'm up here in Green Bay and saw JP and Holcomb tear the packer secondary apart... beware

Per Casserly on 610am this morning that two Texans scouts were in attendance for that scrimmage.
Due to the fact that they were charging for that event, NFL rules allows other teams scouts to attend.

JDizzle · 08-05-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by gtexan02

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/8702112

Im really glad we face buffalo in the opening game. I think Loseman will be a great QB. Luckily, I think he'll be nervous as hell and make some rookieish mistakes the first couple weeks. Plus, given our DBs, a few INTs will totally unnerve him. Just my opinion.

I'm sure Steelers opponents were licking their chops when Big Ben took over. "Oh, a rookie QB! *drool*" ..... look what happened. Don't expect the Bills to be so silly and put the entire game on Losman's shoulders right out of the gate, after all, they do have one of the best D's in the league and a running back capable of ripping our D apart. I think it will be a great test for our trench crew.

tsip · 08-05-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOgre

I think Ryan Leaf could tear apart the Packers secondary.

...be careful, not every team tore apart the Packs secondary last year!!

DFAN · 08-05-2005

For the most part I think it takes talent and good coaching to win. However, I never seen a great coach win with a team with hardly any talent but I have seen a numb nut coach win with a great team. See the 94 and 95 Cowboys.

TheOgre · 08-05-2005

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Originally Posted by tsip

...be careful, not every team tore apart the Packs secondary last year!!

True and we should be ashamed of ourselves for NOT doing that.

Porky · 08-05-2005

I think this whole discussion is pretty interesting, and everyone has some valid points. I always have felt there are three primary factors that will determine a teams record and success, with a few lesser components. It's like a pie sliced into four equal parts. One slice is personell decisions, including the draft, FA, who to resign or release, etc., this gives you the talent. Another slice is coaching, and coaching decisions such as big tent issues like what type of defense to run down to the in game descions, and being able to get the best from each athlete. The third slice is injuries and general luck. Injuries are a part of the game, but can really devastate a team if it hits the wrong person or position. Luck is that bounce of the ball thing. Or maybe a bad call goes against your team. Some days lady luck might be shining on you, and some days not! The last piece are the complimentary components all put together - this would include the ownership, the fan base, the history of the team, and a whole host of other minor things.

I think in NE's case, coaching played a huge part. I think they maximed every piece, and every person to their fullest, and put them into the best position to win. The other three components also played a heavy role, with excellent drafts and personell decisions, a great ownership group, and lady luck smiling on them as well.

Blake · 08-05-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by gtexan02

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/8702112

Im really glad we face buffalo in the opening game. I think Loseman will be a great QB. Luckily, I think he'll be nervous as hell and make some rookieish mistakes the first couple weeks. Plus, given our DBs, a few INTs will totally unnerve him. Just my opinion.

Carr took down the Cowboys his 1st time on the field ever. Im sure JP (2nd year rookie) has just as much a chance as Carr did.

John from Hemet · 08-05-2005

First...let me say that I think the Texans have a great team....I have always been impressed by Carr, Davis, and your WR's

I think that the game plan we will bring will be pretty much the same as it was with Drew Bledsoe.......

A lot of people dont seem to realize it....but Drew Bledsoe was just an absolute shell of his former self......the offense had to be simplified and not much could be asked of the QB position or something bad would happen.....so we relied on field position, our number 2 defense, and Willis Magehee

We will probably start out the gates much the same way.....with the difference being production in the red zone because Losman...even though he is a rookie.....has very good running ability and can throw on the run. We had the 3rd most red zone attempts last year and were close to last in the league in converting to touch downs.......

Just to give a little info on the other side of the fence.....

tsip · 08-05-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Porky

I think this whole discussion is pretty interesting, and everyone has some valid points. I always have felt there are three primary factors that will determine a teams record and success, with a few lesser components. It's like a pie sliced into four equal parts. One slice is personell decisions, including the draft, FA, who to resign or release, etc., this gives you the talent. Another slice is coaching, and coaching decisions such as big tent issues like what type of defense to run down to the in game descions, and being able to get the best from each athlete. The third slice is injuries and general luck. Injuries are a part of the game, but can really devastate a team if it hits the wrong person or position. Luck is that bounce of the ball thing. Or maybe a bad call goes against your team. Some days lady luck might be shining on you, and some days not! The last piece are the complimentary components all put together - this would include the ownership, the fan base, the history of the team, and a whole host of other minor things.

I think in NE's case, coaching played a huge part. I think they maximed every piece, and every person to their fullest, and put them into the best position to win. The other three components also played a heavy role, with excellent drafts and personell decisions, a great ownership group, and lady luck smiling on them as well.

....very well said, especially (1)"able to get the best from each athlete," and
(2)"put them into the best position to win."

Blake · 08-05-2005

Good insight John. I think the Texans game plan will be to smother the run, and force JP to beat us with his arm. So I see more than a couple of one on one matches with our CB's and your WR's. Sould be alot of fun to watch.

I see the Texans doing roughly the same things on offense as last year. Run alot, which im sure will be tough against the bills D. Dom is going to want to keep this close, so we are in the game come 4th quarter. After that, its anyones guess, as one play could be the deciding factor in this game. Its kind of a shame that the Bills, or Texans have to start out 0-1.

Jwwillis · 08-05-2005

Remember Bums quote about good coaches (when he said it to the press he was refering to Don Shula)

"He can take hisuns and beat youruns and take youruns and beat hisuns."

texansfan88 · 08-05-2005

Just got home from the Bills/Packers 70,000 person sold out scrimmage.

NOTE TO SELF: Find a way to stop JP Losman, contain Willis McGahee, shut down Lee Evans and Eric Moulds, and beat the secondary on deep routes.

After watching the Bills the past two days, I can tell you that they are a team that is VERY DANGEROUS and has the ability to not only kill us, but kill everyone in this league

stephen1 · 08-05-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by texansfan88

Just got home from the Bills/Packers 70,000 person sold out scrimmage.

NOTE TO SELF: Find a way to stop JP Losman, contain Willis McGahee, shut down Lee Evans and Eric Moulds, and beat the secondary on deep routes.

After watching the Bills the past two days, I can tell you that they are a team that is VERY DANGEROUS and has the ability to not only kill us, but kill everyone in this league

mcgahee will be the hardest to stop. im not worried about losman or the receivers. the biggest influence to the outcome is our offense, not theirs.

08-05-2005	#21
rittenhouserobz Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,100 Rep Power: 11	I think the steelers QB last year had a shaky first start. Losman will no doubt have jitters. It will be his home crows. I am just glad we are not playing the Bills in late Dec up there. __________________ We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid. Ben Franklin

08-05-2005	#27
Vambo, the Marble Eye Veteran Join Date: May 2005 Location: Houston Texas Posts: 174 Rep Power: 9	Football is no different than any other venture where human talent is joined together to achieve an objective or task. You guys, it is just too simplist to apply a "one or the other" formula... so the debate of great coach, great players, owner involvement in game related decisions, luck, etc... continues because THAT IS WHY THEY PLAY THE GAME AND KEEP SCORE. (I like football more than most other sports because it is rare to see a game end up as a draw... I hate that!) Nobody debates that without above average talent you can not win in the NFL... and obviously some talent combined with a poor game strategy doom a team to playing like the Saints have for 30+ years. Damn, the season needs to start... NOW! It is official- I LIVE for SUNDAY... or whatever day they are playing. __________________ "A man has to know his limitations" -Outlaw Josie Wales

08-05-2005	#33
Porky Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 49 Posts: 11,358 Rep Power: 15710	I think this whole discussion is pretty interesting, and everyone has some valid points. I always have felt there are three primary factors that will determine a teams record and success, with a few lesser components. It's like a pie sliced into four equal parts. One slice is personell decisions, including the draft, FA, who to resign or release, etc., this gives you the talent. Another slice is coaching, and coaching decisions such as big tent issues like what type of defense to run down to the in game descions, and being able to get the best from each athlete. The third slice is injuries and general luck. Injuries are a part of the game, but can really devastate a team if it hits the wrong person or position. Luck is that bounce of the ball thing. Or maybe a bad call goes against your team. Some days lady luck might be shining on you, and some days not! The last piece are the complimentary components all put together - this would include the ownership, the fan base, the history of the team, and a whole host of other minor things. I think in NE's case, coaching played a huge part. I think they maximed every piece, and every person to their fullest, and put them into the best position to win. The other three components also played a heavy role, with excellent drafts and personell decisions, a great ownership group, and lady luck smiling on them as well. __________________ Your local CruiseOne Vacation specialist. www.firstclasscruising.biz Visit me on Facebook.

08-05-2005	#35
John from Hemet Rookie Join Date: Aug 2005 Age: 43 Posts: 7 Rep Power: 0	Bills fan visiting your board a little early First...let me say that I think the Texans have a great team....I have always been impressed by Carr, Davis, and your WR's I think that the game plan we will bring will be pretty much the same as it was with Drew Bledsoe....... A lot of people dont seem to realize it....but Drew Bledsoe was just an absolute shell of his former self......the offense had to be simplified and not much could be asked of the QB position or something bad would happen.....so we relied on field position, our number 2 defense, and Willis Magehee We will probably start out the gates much the same way.....with the difference being production in the red zone because Losman...even though he is a rookie.....has very good running ability and can throw on the run. We had the 3rd most red zone attempts last year and were close to last in the league in converting to touch downs....... Just to give a little info on the other side of the fence.....

08-05-2005	#37
Blake MMQB Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Spring Section: 551/B Posts: 9,595 Rep Power: 14926	Good insight John. I think the Texans game plan will be to smother the run, and force JP to beat us with his arm. So I see more than a couple of one on one matches with our CB's and your WR's. Sould be alot of fun to watch. I see the Texans doing roughly the same things on offense as last year. Run alot, which im sure will be tough against the bills D. Dom is going to want to keep this close, so we are in the game come 4th quarter. After that, its anyones guess, as one play could be the deciding factor in this game. Its kind of a shame that the Bills, or Texans have to start out 0-1. __________________

08-05-2005	#31
DFAN Veteran Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Deer Park TX Age: 39 Posts: 214 Rep Power: 9	For the most part I think it takes talent and good coaching to win. However, I never seen a great coach win with a team with hardly any talent but I have seen a numb nut coach win with a great team. See the 94 and 95 Cowboys.

08-05-2005	#38
Jwwillis All Pro Join Date: Jul 2004 Age: 50 Posts: 610 Rep Power: 9	Remember Bums quote about good coaches (when he said it to the press he was refering to Don Shula) "He can take hisuns and beat youruns and take youruns and beat hisuns."

08-05-2005	#39
texansfan88 All Pro Join Date: Jul 2004 Age: 25 Posts: 880 Rep Power: 0	Just got home from the Bills/Packers 70,000 person sold out scrimmage. NOTE TO SELF: Find a way to stop JP Losman, contain Willis McGahee, shut down Lee Evans and Eric Moulds, and beat the secondary on deep routes. After watching the Bills the past two days, I can tell you that they are a team that is VERY DANGEROUS and has the ability to not only kill us, but kill everyone in this league

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