Why do some dislike Carr?

[Porky]

[Exascor]

U4...my post wasn't an attack on you or questioning your loyalty to the Texans. You used a lot of hypotheticals in your posts but one contained what appeared to be a statement of fact within it:

I dunno that if I were in his shoes I would be so "Enthusiastic" when it came around for signing again with a team that did little to improve the situation for 4 years in a row until it came time for a new deal.

That's implying that the Texans haven't done much to try to improve the situation (sacks) for the past 2-3 years already. That is a false statement IMO.

How do you think fans will react this year to David if he has a few bad games to start off with?
Will there be more stuff thrown at his family on the way out after a bad game?
More Boo birds this year?
More heckling of the team and QB?
Chants of Banks or Ragone from the crowd when DC throws a pick?
Will the staff start questioning David's decision making if we go 0-3 to start the year?

Yes to all of them except the 2nd-if that happens I hope someone goes to jail. Will these things be deserved? That's another question.

I'll answer the positives one at a time:
-Do you think fans will chant Pro-Bowl for David if we go 3-0 to start? No...10-3 and absolutely.
-Do you think fans will go out of there way this year to be more sensitive to David and other players families at the stadium? Maybe-Texans fans have always shown class. The "incident" was isolated and by a turd of a human.
-Do you think Ragone will make third string if he continues to light things up in pre-season? 3rd is a lock IMO-2nd string is VERY doubtful. Maybe next year.
-Do you think the staff will be more inclined to open up the offense and let David audible more on the line this year if we do well early on? Yes on opening the offense up with success. Carr audibles a lot already and rarely has success. I'm not saying it's Carr's fault that the audibles fail but it does seem like he always audibles to a run up the gut for a net gain of 1 yd tops. hehe

[JamesLovesGames]

Sorry but Texans fans are not ALL class. The organization is class and about 75% the fans are. One of my cheesehead friends flew down and attended the game with me. We had to sit there and ignore alot of insulting comments during the game and then he had beer thrown on him while we were walking out after the game. The only redeeming thing he found about the Texans were the cheerleaders.

[Vinny]

I dunno that if I were in his shoes I would be so "Enthusiastic" when it came around for signing again with a team that did little to improve the situation for 4 years in a row until it came time for a new deal.

Comments like this just ruin any argument you put forth since it is not factual, and based on pure imagination. Last year alone the team had 4 new starters on the line. NFL teams just don't swap out players that frequently and expect to do well.

[Porky]

Originally Posted by JamesLovesGames

Sorry but Texans fans are not ALL class. The organization is class and about 75% the fans are. One of my cheesehead friends flew down and attended the game with me. We had to sit there and ignore alot of insulting comments during the game and then he had beer thrown on him while we were walking out after the game. The only redeeming thing he found about the Texans were the cheerleaders.

Would did he expect, a red carpet? Have him wear his Cheesehead to a Philly game and then if he makes it out alive, he can compare the two cities fans.

[Vinny]

I don't expect to be attacked at any stadium, regardless of my garb. I don't condone this here or at Philly, GB or wherever. How YOU act in your rival garb has as much or more to do with how drunken fans treat you than just colors.

[Exascor]

My statement was really a generalization and not meant to be a guaranteed fact about EVERY fan in the stands. I think overall our fans are great and compare to most of the better (not best yet) sports cities out there.

There's always a certain percentage of humans that will overdrink or be extremely obnoxious at sporting events around the world. I don't hold the entire stadium responsible for those few turds.

[Carr Bombed]

Originally Posted by JamesLovesGames

Sorry but Texans fans are not ALL class. The organization is class and about 75% the fans are. One of my cheesehead friends flew down and attended the game with me. We had to sit there and ignore alot of insulting comments during the game and then he had beer thrown on him while we were walking out after the game. The only redeeming thing he found about the Texans were the cheerleaders.

Sorry to hear that, but a couple of fans don't make up 25% of the Texan fans. You just were unlucky enough to sit by a couple of drunk losers. Every stadium in this league has a few bad apples and plenty of drunken losers.

[NoBullTexan]

Originally Posted by JamesLovesGames

Sorry but Texans fans are not ALL class. The organization is class and about 75% the fans are. One of my cheesehead friends flew down and attended the game with me. We had to sit there and ignore alot of insulting comments during the game and then he had beer thrown on him while we were walking out after the game. The only redeeming thing he found about the Texans were the cheerleaders.

So what, I and a coupla friends were in Miami for the opener a while back (this is back when the Dolphins were still hot stuff) anyway we wore our Texans hats and jerseys. We were ridiculed before and during the game, and then when we won and the game was over with, I thought we weren't going to make it out of the stadium without an altercation.

Some fans are unruly in every stadium. If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

[U4ikrob]

Originally Posted by Exascor

U4...my post wasn't an attack on you or questioning your loyalty to the Texans. You used a lot of hypotheticals in your posts but one contained what appeared to be a statement of fact within it:
That's implying that the Texans haven't done much to try to improve the situation (sacks) for the past 2-3 years already. That is a false statement IMO.

Thanks for the points Exas -Your bringing up the same thing Vinny is so I will address it for both.

I said - "I dunno that if I were in his shoes I would be so "Enthusiastic" when it came around for signing again with a team that did little to improve the situation for 4 years in a row until it came time for a new deal."

As far as that statement being factual - I think thats a matter of the PoV of the post - that its a theory thus the statement was prefaced with a "If I were in his shoes" statement. Ive allready addressed the line concerns in other posts and have my own PoV.But if you go looking around all the news sources in the league over the entire existence of this team - Overall and overwhelmingly all agree our O-line is pretty bad and has been. Yet over here on this board it's a completely different story of how thigns are and if you try to convey this point to anyone over here - your all of sudden a bad fan who hates on the texans and Thinks there allready lost for the season.

Boggle :confused

l get a much different story than the fans thoughts over here at other boards. Mainly I was making a point about David playing thru all of these last 3 years - sacks and all and what effects it could have when it comes to him thinking about the team and re-signing for the long term and trying to keep the business aspect of it in perspective when doing so.

Honestly - If you were the guy who had to go out there and take the snaps for the team at QB and then got sacked 140+ times over three years. Afterwards you were asked what do you think are the chances of a 4th year carrying over and continuing the trend - What would you say? Would you still be so optomistic as the first year, or the second or third?? After your family were booed and yelled at and things tossed at them whne you played yoru last game?

Bad fans: Only one bad Texan fan in the stands after the Cleveland game ?

Not from what I was watching of that game. There were a whole lot more than one person saying and doing things that day that embarassed me as a fan of the team to say the least with their attitude and actions.

Honestly I think it's pretty downright bad how some people act at these events in general. Most sporting events have lots of adults in general who seem to show no respect to anyone including themselves at the games and has become so bad at times I wouldnt take my family to certain events because of the way they have acted.

Another bad example of that was earlier this year when I took my friends to an Astros/Cubs game. The home field side was filled up with Cubs fans who began chanting over and over from the 3rd inning on and throwing stuff and cussing at the players in Cheerleader chants. I had to cover a 4yr olds ears for some of the stuff we heard at the game.

Fans can be bad anywhere folks - The sayign goes 'Add alcohol - instant A-hole" for a reason. Having played in more than one stadium over the years as a musician for the USFL and NFL - that goes for all fans everywhere

Football is so often alluded to as a battle. Strategy, units, and determination of the warriors determine the outcome. But you cannot win a battle with just a rifle. You Must have artillery. WTF you ask? Car needs to learn to throw the ball too the recievers, not fire a bullet near them. AJ had to go up and expose himself too much last year, and as luck would have it, did not get hurt. Carr needs to perfect the timing and take the ball off a laser-line. The difference between Carr and The best QBs in the world, is the best know when to zip a ball on a line, and when to loft a spiral and lead a reciever down the line, or corner route or across the middle. I don't care how much he can throw passes hard enough to break bones in your hands. Get the ball to the recievers where and HOW they can catch it. Houston has World class recievers. Its not a reciever problem by any stretch of the imagination. And as for Coaching issues, Capers knows he cant have Car throw a high lofting spiral to ANYONE down the line. The only plays have to have recievers squared to Carr to be able to stop those finger-brakers against thier bodies, and then trust your recievers to break tackles from a standstill. This is the problem with the Texans Offense. Carr may be a QB, but he still need to learn to thow the ball for the situation.

[Carr Bombed]

Originally Posted by TheBigTex

Football is so often alluded to as a battle. Strategy, units, and determination of the warriors determine the outcome. But you cannot win a battle with just a rifle. You Must have artillery. WTF you ask? Car needs to learn to throw the ball too the recievers, not fire a bullet near them. AJ had to go up and expose himself too much last year, and as luck would have it, did not get hurt. Carr needs to perfect the timing and take the ball off a laser-line. The difference between Carr and The best QBs in the world, is the best know when to zip a ball on a line, and when to loft a spiral and lead a reciever down the line, or corner route or across the middle. I don't care how much he can throw passes hard enough to break bones in your hands. Get the ball to the recievers where and HOW they can catch it. Houston has World class recievers. Its not a reciever problem by any stretch of the imagination. And as for Coaching issues, Capers knows he cant have Car throw a high lofting spiral to ANYONE down the line. The only plays have to have recievers squared to Carr to be able to stop those finger-brakers against thier bodies, and then trust your recievers to break tackles from a standstill. This is the problem with the Texans Offense. Carr may be a QB, but he still need to learn to thow the ball for the situation.

Did you watch the Texans play last season? Carr did show touch on many of his passes and changed the whole directory on his deep ball. That was the reason for the jump in his Comp%. Houston doesn't have World class receivers. AJ is one, but after that we have young prospects with good hands. The reason why I know they have good hands is because I saw them catching the ball WITH their hands, away from their body, especially AJ who spent last years offseason working on his hands. The only player who catches with their body is bradford who was never accused of having great hands.

[geebrr]

I think Carr is a QB developing into being one of the upper tier QBs in the next couple of years.

He makes good reads for the most part, is tough as nails, has a good arm, decent mobility, and seems to be a very good leader.

Give him some more time, any guy who can take the beating he has and get up smiling deserves some extra time.

[FILO_girl]

Originally Posted by JamesLovesGames

Sorry but Texans fans are not ALL class. The organization is class and about 75% the fans are. One of my cheesehead friends flew down and attended the game with me. We had to sit there and ignore alot of insulting comments during the game and then he had beer thrown on him while we were walking out after the game. The only redeeming thing he found about the Texans were the cheerleaders.

Wow, not only did we host a ton of Green and Gold at our tailgate (pics, I got 'em) and we then joked around with the fans inside (section 524 was nearly all G & G for some reason that game) and then we partied with the Favre fans again until we were kicked out of the lot. Our Favre pinata went home with someone in G & G and now lives somewhere in Southern Wisconsin.

I NEVER saw any disrespect to the Cheeseheads, but hear there was some. That is too bad, next time they need to come by FILO in the lots and sit near our seats inside. Raiders fans were in awe of the treatment we gave them (they have a standing invite to come to Orange lot, N. of pole #8 for ANY game). Sorry your friend had problems James.

[Vinny]

Still trying to stoke the Chicken Little Brigade I see. Nice trolling tactic. Hat's off (but dogging the line in every post kind of exposes you).

Actually, I'd say our main problem is in the middle. LT gets all the beat down since if you don't have an elite player every team is looking for one (there are probably 10-12 teams in our situation at LT). The Texans drafted a Center in the draft last year and not a LT.

[Exascor]

Seth Mckinney is good.

Wish I felt that way. He was the weakest link on the line last year and only Washington at Guard beat him for the title in 2003 IMO. 2002 has too many nominees so they decided not to give out the reward that season. I actually believe Washington would be better at Center than McKinney is and that's not saying much. Washington has slow feet.

I'm with Vinny here. The middle of the line is weak. If we could solidify the middle of the line, maybe the left side would shore itself up. I, personally, feel that replacing McKinney with a top level Center would improve our line the most. The only exception would be a franchise LT and that's a pipe-dream right now.

I'm not an O-line basher but I try to look at things with an open mind. I think our line will naturally be better due to an extra year playing together and in the new system.

Time will be the only judge.

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by Jagsfan

Seth Mckinney is good.

Seth McKinney is a Dolphin. Steve is the guy who gets blown up all the time here in Houston.

[Exascor]

Sad thing is that I didn't catch that Vinny! hehe

[Vinny]

wrong guy but you had the right comment.