WHO is the most OVERRATED texan ? - Houston Texans Message Board & Forum

throwANDREtheBALL · 07-23-2005

The other post was the most UNDERRATED (sorry I got the title screwed up)

Which Houston Texan deserves all the heat that they take?

My vote is for Mckinney.

I'd even feel better seeing Mark Bruener snapping the ball.

**TEXANS84** · 07-23-2005

A poll bashing our own players?

No thank you.

Bayern · 07-23-2005

Bad taste, half of the guys on this list do not deserve any criticism at all, much less your somewhat insulting taglines. Support your team man. :brickwall

Wolf · 07-23-2005

I actually believe you have to take the bad from the good.. I was going to pick Mckinney or walker because of the returns on the am't of money they make. thinking about it, Walker was coming off an injury last season and has actually made the probowl.. McKinney to me is the weakest link of the line..yet he is actually a guard playing center. I like Billy Miller,but I think as fans we lost sight on how good he is.. 1st year with us, Billy was everything,yet we had no AJ or the OL was actually worse than it is now, so Billy was the bright spot.. Actual, starting NFL talent around the offense (no offense to the guys that started back then ,but they were considered lower tier talent around the NFL, and yes they busted their butts as much as the next guy) and then we see why other teams didn't want Billy.
Thanks to the salary cap era.
If I had to chose overall who the Texans might cut next year based on salary/return value (I don't like to use the overrated term)...We will be looking for a center and/or DL ..if we find one of better value..we will upgrade speed and youth. IMO

is that PC correct?

TexansTrueFan · 07-23-2005

well were getting youthful on all sides.

Porky · 07-23-2005

I would consider taking Payne off the list. Other than that, everyone on there is open to critism. My vote went to the Bull Fighter, Mckinney. He is WAY overrated. He would be my starter at Waterboy and Lion Killer.

Big78 · 07-24-2005

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Originally Posted by Porky

I would consider taking Payne off the list. Other than that, everyone on there is open to critism. My vote went to the Bull Fighter, Mckinney. He is WAY overrated. He would be my starter at Waterboy and Lion Killer.

how can u say that someone is overrated when almost everybody in this entire forum agrees that he sucks.

Porky · 07-24-2005

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Originally Posted by Big78

how can u say that someone is overrated when almost everybody in this entire forum agrees that he sucks.

Believe it or not, neither most of the media nor the vast majority of Texans fans are not members of this forum.

DocBar · 07-24-2005

I see a lot of votes for McKinney on here, but I don't remember anyone EVER saying he is or was one of the better centers(or O-linemen for that matter) in the league. McKinney is average at best and has been reported as such. I voted for G-Skunk because he IS highly regarded as an impact player but his production has fallen off for various reasons. I think he'll pick it up some this year with TJ pushing him. I think the other 2 most overrated are already gone (Foreman and Sharper).

ATX · 07-24-2005

i see you didn't put antwan peek's name on there. as much as i like the guy, i think he's a bit overrated as far as his accomplishment's as of yet.

HJam72 · 07-24-2005

I think Peek's production is low because he's not been given much opportunity yet--maybe he didn't deserve it, or maybe he did. I think he did, but it doesn't matter now because he's gonna get it. One thing about Peek is that he's going to get to the QB. Even if nobody else on this team can, HE WILL. As far as Foreman and Sharper, I'd say Foreman was pretty overrated, yeah. I'm not going to miss him, I don't think. Sharper, on the other hand, was both an excellent run stopper and, unlike Foreman, adequate at pass coverage when he had to do it. Maybe he was overrated a little, because of maybe losing a step or something, but not very much. I'm not upset that Sharper's gone, but I will miss him.

El Tejano · 07-25-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEXANS84

A poll bashing our own players?

No thank you.

Amen! Some of you ought to be ashamed of yourself. You can call me a

but this is the team we have and I am standing by them.

Youngstown Colt · 07-25-2005

Since only one of the guys on this list has ever been hyped to the point of being overrated even a small bit, Carr has to be the vote.

Jwwillis · 07-25-2005

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Originally Posted by Youngstown Colt

Since only one of the guys on this list has ever been hyped to the point of being overrated even a small bit, Carr has to be the vote.

Walker hasnt been hyped?? And he is my vote.

Youngstown Colt · 07-26-2005

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Originally Posted by Jwwillis

Walker hasnt been hyped?? And he is my vote.

IDK, maybe in the Houston media, but many people probably don't even know he plays for the Texans.

Yankee_In_TX · 07-27-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by throwANDREtheBALL

The other post was the most UNDERRATED (sorry I got the title screwed up)

Which Houston Texan deserves all the heat that they take?

My vote is for Mckinney.

I'd even feel better seeing Mark Bruener snapping the ball.

IMO, 'who deserves the heat they take' and being over rated are two different things?

over rated = everyone says you're great but you stink
deserves heat = everyone says you suck and you do

*thinking out loud*

throwANDREtheBALL · 07-27-2005

OK tell me both then...........I didn't want to say tell me who you think sucks the most..........since it would offend quite a few members.

Go ahead, tell us who you love to hate the most then

throwANDREtheBALL · 07-27-2005

"Why put Carr, Seth and Billy up there?" Quote from Hulk 75

I put those guys on because they seemed to take a lot of heat from people on the MB.

I like Carr and think he just needs a good offensive co-ordinator who knows how to fix the protection.

Billy seems to get bashed quite a bit, for his non-blocking and non-getting open ability........maybe its just cuz he hasn't had the playing time ?

Seth is on their cuz I've seen him called overrated since he's injured every season..........he's a great player when he's on the field.

I didn't vote for any of these guys, I just wanted to put the guys up who I'd seen get bashed the most on this board, and figure out who the consensus is.

I'm glad that Mckinney and Palmer are ahead in the voting..........I think most TRUE Texans Fans would agree that we need upgrades over both of those guys.

TRUE FANS - tell it how it really is
TRUE FANS - know who the REAL weak links are

Overalls · 07-27-2005

I was going to go Sheila Jackson Lee, but she wasn't on the list.

outofhnd · 07-27-2005

I voted but for who I feel deserves the heat/criticism and to me its chris palmer and the sudden change to a zone blocking scheme last year. Not only that the personnel switch to put Wand at LT after 0 starts the year before and switching his blocking assignments. Not to mention rotating tight ends in running and passing situations. But we still came away with a better record than the year before.

But if you want the Most overrated texan it is Tony Boselli hands down. He was the cornerstone of our O line and he didnt even play a single down. All he did was retire. Where is his name? or How about jermaine Ill retire for a year then return and play for the jags next year lewis? or Matt I cant even wrap up a christmas present so ill dive at the guy Stevens?

View Poll Results: Who actually deserves all the heat they take?
Steve "Push Me Back" Mckinney	52	44.83%
Billy "Do Little" Miller	6	5.17%
Seth "Magic-less" Wand	12	10.34%
Gary "G-Skunk" Walker	18	15.52%
Seth "Full of" Payne	4	3.45%
David "Franchise" Carr	11	9.48%
Chris "What is Blocking" Palmer	29	25.00%
Dom "I need a linebacker" Capers	6	5.17%
Charlie "O-line is top priority" Casserly	5	4.31%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 116. You may not vote on this poll

07-23-2005	#1
throwANDREtheBALL Veteran Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: CANADA Age: 31 Posts: 230 Rep Power: 0	WHO is the most OVERRATED texan ? The other post was the most UNDERRATED (sorry I got the title screwed up) Which Houston Texan deserves all the heat that they take? My vote is for Mckinney. I'd even feel better seeing Mark Bruener snapping the ball.

07-23-2005	#4
Wolf 100% Texan Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kerrville Age: 43 Posts: 35,822 Rep Power: 40226	I actually believe you have to take the bad from the good.. I was going to pick Mckinney or walker because of the returns on the am't of money they make. thinking about it, Walker was coming off an injury last season and has actually made the probowl.. McKinney to me is the weakest link of the line..yet he is actually a guard playing center. I like Billy Miller,but I think as fans we lost sight on how good he is.. 1st year with us, Billy was everything,yet we had no AJ or the OL was actually worse than it is now, so Billy was the bright spot.. Actual, starting NFL talent around the offense (no offense to the guys that started back then ,but they were considered lower tier talent around the NFL, and yes they busted their butts as much as the next guy) and then we see why other teams didn't want Billy. Thanks to the salary cap era. If I had to chose overall who the Texans might cut next year based on salary/return value (I don't like to use the overrated term)...We will be looking for a center and/or DL ..if we find one of better value..we will upgrade speed and youth. IMO is that PC correct? __________________ People who say that they don't know what to get me for my birthday have obviously never been to a liquor store Last edited by Wolf; 07-23-2005 at 07:49 PM.

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07-23-2005	#6
Porky Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 49 Posts: 11,351 Rep Power: 15678	I would consider taking Payne off the list. Other than that, everyone on there is open to critism. My vote went to the Bull Fighter, Mckinney. He is WAY overrated. He would be my starter at Waterboy and Lion Killer. __________________ Your local CruiseOne Vacation specialist. www.firstclasscruising.biz Visit me on Facebook.

07-23-2005	#2
TEXANS84 Moderator Join Date: May 2004 Location: The Woodlands, TX Age: 35 Posts: 7,447 Rep Power: 3116	A poll bashing our own players? No thank you.

07-23-2005	#3
Bayern Veteran Join Date: Dec 2004 Age: 33 Posts: 111 Rep Power: 9	Bad taste, half of the guys on this list do not deserve any criticism at all, much less your somewhat insulting taglines. Support your team man. :brickwall

07-24-2005	#9
DocBar Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: I'm international Section: Channel 700-ish on NFL Sunday Ticket Age: 43 Posts: 7,224 Rep Power: 17539	I see a lot of votes for McKinney on here, but I don't remember anyone EVER saying he is or was one of the better centers(or O-linemen for that matter) in the league. McKinney is average at best and has been reported as such. I voted for G-Skunk because he IS highly regarded as an impact player but his production has fallen off for various reasons. I think he'll pick it up some this year with TJ pushing him. I think the other 2 most overrated are already gone (Foreman and Sharper). __________________ “If you take a highly intelligent person and give them the best possible, elite education, then you will most likely wind up with an academic who is completely impervious to reality.” Halton Arp

07-24-2005	#10
ATX Hall of Fame Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Austin Age: 33 Posts: 9,563 Rep Power: 142	i see you didn't put antwan peek's name on there. as much as i like the guy, i think he's a bit overrated as far as his accomplishment's as of yet.

07-24-2005	#11
HJam72 Hall of Fame Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Over here. Age: 40 Posts: 10,472 Rep Power: 18004	I think Peek's production is low because he's not been given much opportunity yet--maybe he didn't deserve it, or maybe he did. I think he did, but it doesn't matter now because he's gonna get it. One thing about Peek is that he's going to get to the QB. Even if nobody else on this team can, HE WILL. As far as Foreman and Sharper, I'd say Foreman was pretty overrated, yeah. I'm not going to miss him, I don't think. Sharper, on the other hand, was both an excellent run stopper and, unlike Foreman, adequate at pass coverage when he had to do it. Maybe he was overrated a little, because of maybe losing a step or something, but not very much. I'm not upset that Sharper's gone, but I will miss him. Last edited by HJam72; 07-24-2005 at 11:13 PM.

07-25-2005	#13
Youngstown Colt All Pro Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Youngstown, Ohio Age: 28 Posts: 997 Rep Power: 9	Since only one of the guys on this list has ever been hyped to the point of being overrated even a small bit, Carr has to be the vote. __________________ "If you're flammable and have legs you are never blocking a fire exit." - Mitch

07-27-2005	#17
throwANDREtheBALL Veteran Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: CANADA Age: 31 Posts: 230 Rep Power: 0	OK tell me both then...........I didn't want to say tell me who you think sucks the most..........since it would offend quite a few members. Go ahead, tell us who you love to hate the most then

07-27-2005	#19
Overalls Hall of Fame Join Date: Jun 2003 Age: 46 Posts: 2,350 Rep Power: 62	I was going to go Sheila Jackson Lee, but she wasn't on the list. __________________ Proud original member of the Texans Bull Pen 451

07-27-2005	#20
outofhnd All Pro Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Dallas, TX Age: 36 Posts: 723 Rep Power: 9	I voted but for who I feel deserves the heat/criticism and to me its chris palmer and the sudden change to a zone blocking scheme last year. Not only that the personnel switch to put Wand at LT after 0 starts the year before and switching his blocking assignments. Not to mention rotating tight ends in running and passing situations. But we still came away with a better record than the year before. But if you want the Most overrated texan it is Tony Boselli hands down. He was the cornerstone of our O line and he didnt even play a single down. All he did was retire. Where is his name? or How about jermaine Ill retire for a year then return and play for the jags next year lewis? or Matt I cant even wrap up a christmas present so ill dive at the guy Stevens? __________________ Where have all the Running backs gone?

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