Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > The Great Fans of the Houston Texans > Texans Talk
Home Forums Register FAQDonate Automatic Monthly Contribution Members List Mark Forums Read


Texans Talk Football talk only please. Keep it to the game, the players, the coaches and management.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-19-2014   #21
Norg
Hall of Fame
 
Norg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 4,636
Rep Power: 11524 Norg is a quality contributor and well respectedNorg is a quality contributor and well respectedNorg is a quality contributor and well respectedNorg is a quality contributor and well respectedNorg is a quality contributor and well respectedNorg is a quality contributor and well respectedNorg is a quality contributor and well respectedNorg is a quality contributor and well respectedNorg is a quality contributor and well respectedNorg is a quality contributor and well respectedNorg is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Test Your Texans IQ

what is consider a winning season beating NE and going 9-7 and still not making the playoffs when u were like 5-7 a few weeks earlier and considered dead LOL..only to beating a few scrub teams just to get to 8-7 LOL

or beating cincy and making it to dem playoffs ..????
Norg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2014   #22
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
 
The Pencil Neck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Dallas, TX
Age: 52
Posts: 18,012
Rep Power: 253531 The Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Test Your Texans IQ

Quote:
Originally Posted by Norg View Post
what is consider a winning season beating NE and going 9-7 and still not making the playoffs when u were like 5-7 a few weeks earlier and considered dead LOL..only to beating a few scrub teams just to get to 8-7 LOL

or beating cincy and making it to dem playoffs ..????
By definition, if you have more wins than you have losses, you have had a winning season. If you have more losses than victories, you have had a losing season. Going 8-8 is neither a winning or a losing season.

Having a winning season doesn't mean you make it to the playoffs. The Patriots went 11-5 one year and didn't make the playoffs.

You can even have a losing season and make the playoffs. The Seattle Seahawks are the only team to pull that off in recent memory. It's pretty rare.

And the thing about our first 9-7 season was that if one other team had lost instead of winning that day, we would have made the playoffs. We were that close.
__________________
Adoptee: #55 - Chris Myers.
The Pencil Neck is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2014   #23
steelbtexan
Hall of Fame
 
steelbtexan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Age: 51
Posts: 11,970
Rep Power: 84495 steelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Test Your Texans IQ

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Pencil Neck View Post
By definition, if you have more wins than you have losses, you have had a winning season. If you have more losses than victories, you have had a losing season. Going 8-8 is neither a winning or a losing season.

Having a winning season doesn't mean you make it to the playoffs. The Patriots went 11-5 one year and didn't make the playoffs.

You can even have a losing season and make the playoffs. The Seattle Seahawks are the only team to pull that off in recent memory. It's pretty rare.

And the thing about our first 9-7 season was that if one other team had lost instead of winning that day, we would have made the playoffs. We were that close.
Agreed

But after having one of the easiest schedules in NFL history that yr and still missing the playoffs, if Kubiak had been let go of then imagine were this team possibly could've been.
steelbtexan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2014   #24
Norg
Hall of Fame
 
Norg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 4,636
Rep Power: 11524 Norg is a quality contributor and well respectedNorg is a quality contributor and well respectedNorg is a quality contributor and well respectedNorg is a quality contributor and well respectedNorg is a quality contributor and well respectedNorg is a quality contributor and well respectedNorg is a quality contributor and well respectedNorg is a quality contributor and well respectedNorg is a quality contributor and well respectedNorg is a quality contributor and well respectedNorg is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Test Your Texans IQ

Quote:
Originally Posted by steelbtexan View Post
Agreed

But after having one of the easiest schedules in NFL history that yr and still missing the playoffs, if Kubiak had been let go of then imagine were this team possibly could've been.
that was 2009 I believe next year was a dreadful 6-10 year but most of the games came down to 1 or 2 plays prob could have been like 9-7 maybe 10-6 that year that was a weird year

if we fired kubes would we have one those back to back div titles ..?????

now lookin at it I think we should have gave kubes one more year since hell I don't think I can go through a 6-10 like season in 2014
Norg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2014   #25
Marshall 
Subscribed Contributor
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 2,694
Rep Power: 57932 Marshall is a quality contributor and well respectedMarshall is a quality contributor and well respectedMarshall is a quality contributor and well respectedMarshall is a quality contributor and well respectedMarshall is a quality contributor and well respectedMarshall is a quality contributor and well respectedMarshall is a quality contributor and well respectedMarshall is a quality contributor and well respectedMarshall is a quality contributor and well respectedMarshall is a quality contributor and well respectedMarshall is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Test Your Texans IQ

Quote:
Originally Posted by steelbtexan View Post
Agreed

But after having one of the easiest schedules in NFL history that yr and still missing the playoffs, if Kubiak had been let go of then imagine were this team possibly could've been.
It may have been better as you imply, worse, or no different which I suspect. I do not doubt that there would be complaints regardless.
__________________
God's NOT Dead!
New fan of #21 Kendrick Lewis
Marshall is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2014   #26
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
 
The Pencil Neck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Dallas, TX
Age: 52
Posts: 18,012
Rep Power: 253531 The Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Test Your Texans IQ

Quote:
Originally Posted by steelbtexan View Post
Agreed

But after having one of the easiest schedules in NFL history that yr and still missing the playoffs, if Kubiak had been let go of then imagine were this team possibly could've been.
How many teams have changed coaches since 2009 and had the sort of success you're imagining? You don't trust Smith or McNair to find their arses with both hands and yet you think in 2009 if they'd fired Kubiak, they'd have been able to bring in someone who would have gotten us to multiple Super Bowls by now?

There would have been a greater chance of whoever they brought in to dismantle the team to implement their schemes and have us set back for several years before we finally had a winning season again.
__________________
Adoptee: #55 - Chris Myers.
The Pencil Neck is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2014   #27
steelbtexan
Hall of Fame
 
steelbtexan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Age: 51
Posts: 11,970
Rep Power: 84495 steelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Test Your Texans IQ

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshall View Post
It may have been better as you imply, worse, or no different which I suspect. I do not doubt that there would be complaints regardless.
We will never know.

You bet the Aggies would've been screaming. Some of them think he shouldn't have been fired after 2-14. To imply that a new HC running the same zbs scheme couldn't have done better than 2-14 is an insult to coaches everywhere.
steelbtexan is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored links
Old 07-19-2014   #28
steelbtexan
Hall of Fame
 
steelbtexan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Age: 51
Posts: 11,970
Rep Power: 84495 steelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Test Your Texans IQ

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Pencil Neck View Post
How many teams have changed coaches since 2009 and had the sort of success you're imagining? You don't trust Smith or McNair to find their arses with both hands and yet you think in 2009 if they'd fired Kubiak, they'd have been able to bring in someone who would have gotten us to multiple Super Bowls by now?

There would have been a greater chance of whoever they brought in to dismantle the team to implement their schemes and have us set back for several years before we finally had a winning season again.
Denver/Seattle/Arizona/Indy come to mind off the top of my head.
steelbtexan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2014   #29
TejasTom
Heisenwatt
 
TejasTom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Pearland
Section: Brazos Suite
Posts: 1,413
Rep Power: 48076 TejasTom is a quality contributor and well respectedTejasTom is a quality contributor and well respectedTejasTom is a quality contributor and well respectedTejasTom is a quality contributor and well respectedTejasTom is a quality contributor and well respectedTejasTom is a quality contributor and well respectedTejasTom is a quality contributor and well respectedTejasTom is a quality contributor and well respectedTejasTom is a quality contributor and well respectedTejasTom is a quality contributor and well respectedTejasTom is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Test Your Texans IQ

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Pencil Neck View Post
How many teams have changed coaches since 2009 and had the sort of success you're imagining? You don't trust Smith or McNair to find their arses with both hands and yet you think in 2009 if they'd fired Kubiak, they'd have been able to bring in someone who would have gotten us to multiple Super Bowls by now?

There would have been a greater chance of whoever they brought in to dismantle the team to implement their schemes and have us set back for several years before we finally had a winning season again.
Quote:
Originally Posted by steelbtexan View Post
Denver/Seattle/Arizona/Indy come to mind off the top of my head.
San Francisco.
__________________
"Success isn't owned. It's leased and rent is due every day." ~ J.J. Watt
TejasTom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2014   #30
AngryNateFTW
Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 379
Rep Power: 18057 AngryNateFTW is a quality contributor and well respectedAngryNateFTW is a quality contributor and well respectedAngryNateFTW is a quality contributor and well respectedAngryNateFTW is a quality contributor and well respectedAngryNateFTW is a quality contributor and well respectedAngryNateFTW is a quality contributor and well respectedAngryNateFTW is a quality contributor and well respectedAngryNateFTW is a quality contributor and well respectedAngryNateFTW is a quality contributor and well respectedAngryNateFTW is a quality contributor and well respectedAngryNateFTW is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Test Your Texans IQ

Quote:
Originally Posted by EllisUnit View Post
Cant believe you dont remember the clincher against NE, where Bill played all his starters even though they had already clinched and thats when Welker tore his ACL.
Yep, benched Tom then put him back in the game then tried to play it all cool and put Tom back on the bench the next drive.
AngryNateFTW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2014   #31
ObsiWan
Site Contributor
 
ObsiWan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: League City, Tx
Age: 62
Posts: 13,867
Rep Power: 213638 ObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Test Your Texans IQ

Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwitexansfan View Post
8 - missed on the INT and winning season clincher.
Hah! I missed the same two questions. And the sad part is, I thought #6 was Marcus Coleman then talked myself into Aaron Glenn. I knew it was one of those two. IMO, those guys still made up the best secondary we ever had.
ObsiWan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2014   #32
ObsiWan
Site Contributor
 
ObsiWan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: League City, Tx
Age: 62
Posts: 13,867
Rep Power: 213638 ObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Test Your Texans IQ

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Pencil Neck View Post
How many teams have changed coaches since 2009 and had the sort of success you're imagining? You don't trust Smith or McNair to find their arses with both hands and yet you think in 2009 if they'd fired Kubiak, they'd have been able to bring in someone who would have gotten us to multiple Super Bowls by now?

There would have been a greater chance of whoever they brought in to dismantle the team to implement their schemes and have us set back for several years before we finally had a winning season again.
you mean like they just did....??



...sorry but this is what happens when I let my Sunshine Club membership expire
ObsiWan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2014   #33
TheIronDuke
In BOB I Trust
 
TheIronDuke's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Age: 35
Posts: 4,006
Rep Power: 87002 TheIronDuke is a quality contributor and well respectedTheIronDuke is a quality contributor and well respectedTheIronDuke is a quality contributor and well respectedTheIronDuke is a quality contributor and well respectedTheIronDuke is a quality contributor and well respectedTheIronDuke is a quality contributor and well respectedTheIronDuke is a quality contributor and well respectedTheIronDuke is a quality contributor and well respectedTheIronDuke is a quality contributor and well respectedTheIronDuke is a quality contributor and well respectedTheIronDuke is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Test Your Texans IQ

Quote:
Originally Posted by EllisUnit View Post
I cant believe you dont remember that, i remember that game because Carr had like 100 yards on 20 something straight completions. Was that dink and dunk BS
I remember that one, Brunell was the opposing QB and threw even more completions consecutively iirc.
TheIronDuke is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2014   #34
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
 
The Pencil Neck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Dallas, TX
Age: 52
Posts: 18,012
Rep Power: 253531 The Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Test Your Texans IQ

Quote:
Originally Posted by steelbtexan View Post
Denver/Seattle/Arizona/Indy come to mind off the top of my head.
That's a pretty good list -- the Niners would have been the best example. But you've got a different standard for other teams than you have for ours. You would have been calling for Pete Carroll's head after 2 7-9 seasons. I wouldn't put the Cardinals on the list of successful coaching changes just yet.

With the Colts, you seem to be giving their coaches more of a pass than you gave Kubiak. Some other teams who have had some success after coaching changes are: the Chiefs, the Jets, the Chargers. But even they haven't been all THAT successful.

Now for the other teams who've changed coaches and not been so successful.

The Bills
The Panthers -- took Rivera 2 losing seasons to get to the playoffs. You would have been calling for his head and he still hasn't accomplished anything according to your standard.
The Bears
The Browns
The Jaguars
The Dolphins -- Stepping up to Mediocrity after Sparano was your poster-boy for turning a team around.
The Vikings
The Raiders
The Rams
The Buccaneers
The Titans
The Redskins

And this is my point. Not that it can't be done, not that you can't change coaches and be successful, but that the odds are that when you change coaches, it doesn't help. Most teams who change coaches don't find that lucky combination of coach, gm, and qb that leads to success.

You say "imagine where we would be now if we had fired Kubiak in 2009" and I say that the odds are that we wouldn't have had any playoff wins, yet.
__________________
Adoptee: #55 - Chris Myers.
The Pencil Neck is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2014   #35
ObsiWan
Site Contributor
 
ObsiWan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: League City, Tx
Age: 62
Posts: 13,867
Rep Power: 213638 ObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Test Your Texans IQ

Quote:
Originally Posted by steelbtexan View Post
We will never know.

You bet the Aggies would've been screaming. Some of them think he shouldn't have been fired after 2-14. To imply that a new HC running the same zbs scheme couldn't have done better than 2-14 is an insult to coaches everywhere.
soooo you're saying you wanted us to hire Mike Shanahan...?
ObsiWan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2014   #36
steelbtexan
Hall of Fame
 
steelbtexan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Age: 51
Posts: 11,970
Rep Power: 84495 steelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Test Your Texans IQ

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Pencil Neck View Post
That's a pretty good list -- the Niners would have been the best example. But you've got a different standard for other teams than you have for ours. You would have been calling for Pete Carroll's head after 2 7-9 seasons. I wouldn't put the Cardinals on the list of successful coaching changes just yet.

With the Colts, you seem to be giving their coaches more of a pass than you gave Kubiak. Some other teams who have had some success after coaching changes are: the Chiefs, the Jets, the Chargers. But even they haven't been all THAT successful.

Now for the other teams who've changed coaches and not been so successful.

The Bills
The Panthers -- took Rivera 2 losing seasons to get to the playoffs. You would have been calling for his head and he still hasn't accomplished anything according to your standard.
The Bears
The Browns
The Jaguars
The Dolphins -- Stepping up to Mediocrity after Sparano was your poster-boy for turning a team around.
The Vikings
The Raiders
The Rams
The Buccaneers
The Titans
The Redskins

And this is my point. Not that it can't be done, not that you can't change coaches and be successful, but that the odds are that when you change coaches, it doesn't help. Most teams who change coaches don't find that lucky combination of coach, gm, and qb that leads to success.

You say "imagine where we would be now if we had fired Kubiak in 2009" and I say that the odds are that we wouldn't have had any playoff wins, yet.
Although I truly respect your position, we will never agree on this topic. I see Kubiak as a great guy who was an avg at best HC. (What is his record?) You think he was better than that. Yes I do think McNair can hire a better than avg HC and hope BOB is that guy.
steelbtexan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2014   #37
steelbtexan
Hall of Fame
 
steelbtexan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Age: 51
Posts: 11,970
Rep Power: 84495 steelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respectedsteelbtexan is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Test Your Texans IQ

Quote:
Originally Posted by ObsiWan View Post
soooo you're saying you wanted us to hire Mike Shanahan...?
Gruden/Holmgren
steelbtexan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2014   #38
ObsiWan
Site Contributor
 
ObsiWan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: League City, Tx
Age: 62
Posts: 13,867
Rep Power: 213638 ObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respectedObsiWan is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Test Your Texans IQ

Quote:
Originally Posted by steelbtexan View Post
Gruden/Holmgren
Holmgren went to Cleveland about that time (end of 2009) and hired Eric Mangini so there's a good chance if he had come here he would have made the same choice. Cleveland's best record while he was their prez was 5-11.

Gruden's been available since 2008. If he was worth a hoot don'tcha think someone would have hired him?

I'm having trouble seeing how that combo would have gotten us to the playoffs as Kubiak and Smith did.
ObsiWan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2014   #39
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
 
The Pencil Neck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Dallas, TX
Age: 52
Posts: 18,012
Rep Power: 253531 The Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respectedThe Pencil Neck is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Test Your Texans IQ

Quote:
Originally Posted by steelbtexan View Post
Although I truly respect your position, we will never agree on this topic. I see Kubiak as a great guy who was an avg at best HC. (What is his record?) You think he was better than that. Yes I do think McNair can hire a better than avg HC and hope BOB is that guy.
For me, this isn't about Kubiak. It could have been anyone in that position.

A huge part of whether a coach is successful or not is based on pure luck: on being able to get the right staff together, on having the right players fall to him, on those players staying healthy and in the right mind-set, on the ball bouncing right. The biggest factor is being lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time to get the right quarterback and then recognizing him when he sees him.

Someone like a Parcells, who can go somewhere and cobble together a winning team out of whatever is available to him and put together a program that is consistently in the running for a championship, is very rare and doesn't come along very often and even he couldn't do it consistently.

Right now, John Fox looks like a genius because he was able to win with Delhomme and Tebow with teams that really didn't throw much, and then had Manning fall into his lap and totally turned the offense over to him. But I don't think he's that great of a coach. He's just been damned lucky. Holmgren lucked into Favre (but could only win 1 SB with him) and then wasn't all that great at Seattle until he lucked into Shaun Alexander and then he rode that guy to death.

And this is why I'm against hiring coaches who've already won a SB. I don't think that most of them won a SB because of how great a coach they are but by them just getting lucky. I don't expect lightning to strike twice for them.

For me, continuity in the coaching staff, as long as the coaching staff is at least pretty good, controls one of the variables and allows the other forces to line up rather than throwing all the dice at once. That's the mistake I think a lot of franchises make: throwing all the die and cleaning house every 2-4 years.

So you're going to see me making the same arguments for OB that I made for Kubiak because for me, it's not about the person who is the coach as long as they're a decent coach, it's about the patience to stick with them and their system and allow them to get on a lucky streak.
__________________
Adoptee: #55 - Chris Myers.
The Pencil Neck is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2014   #40
texanhead08
Hall of Fame
 
texanhead08's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Houston,Tx
Age: 46
Posts: 1,373
Rep Power: 11687 texanhead08 is a quality contributor and well respectedtexanhead08 is a quality contributor and well respectedtexanhead08 is a quality contributor and well respectedtexanhead08 is a quality contributor and well respectedtexanhead08 is a quality contributor and well respectedtexanhead08 is a quality contributor and well respectedtexanhead08 is a quality contributor and well respectedtexanhead08 is a quality contributor and well respectedtexanhead08 is a quality contributor and well respectedtexanhead08 is a quality contributor and well respectedtexanhead08 is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: Test Your Texans IQ

I got them all right its official I have no life.
__________________
3 Weeks 3 Quarterbacks..but the same ****ing team

Gary Kubiak
December 4,2011
texanhead08 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > The Great Fans of the Houston Texans > Texans Talk
Home Forums Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:30 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Ad Management by RedTyger