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Old 07-14-2014   #141
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Then why were there 99 out of 100 telling me how wrong I was and I was nothing but a hater? a troll? No Sir, when I was explaining the evils of Salary Cap Hell and it's eventual results I was being told by most that the Texans would be Super Bowl Champions in 2012 and 2013.
stop exagerating. I'm sure there probably were a few here who did everything you're saying, far from the majority though. Furthermore, the salary cap wasn't really what did them in the end. terrible coaching and qb play...defense towards the end of it all. Yes, Schaub's extension was problematic & shouldn't have been given but...you also have to factor in that Schaub was coming off a pro bowl year & overall, the people we lost b/c we couldn't afford them for 1 reason or another or bad contracts is overstated.

we lost maybe 2 guys that were impact players and deserving of the money they asked for b/c we were up against it......Glover Quinn....and some people would say Leach. Other than that...
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stop exagerating. I'm sure there probably were a few here who did everything you're saying, far from the majority though. Furthermore, the salary cap wasn't really what did them in the end. terrible coaching and qb play...defense towards the end of it all. Yes, Schaub's extension was problematic & shouldn't have been given but...you also have to factor in that Schaub was coming off a pro bowl year & overall, the people we lost b/c we couldn't afford them for 1 reason or another or bad contracts is overstated.

we lost maybe 2 guys that were impact players and deserving of the money they asked for b/c we were up against it......Glover Quinn....and some people would say Leach. Other than that...
using a lot of ifs, ands or buts to clarify your statements and make your point. The Bottom Line: Texans lost more good players as a direct result of the salary cap than they could replace. All the while the competition was replacing lost players with equal or even better players. It's that simple!
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No ... once again we all knew they were in deep poo but what are we gonna do except hope for the best . We knew they screwed the cap pooch and they were going to lose players . They hit the daily double when they missed badly on the backups evaluations .

Nobody wants to hear your teams deficiencies in July because every bodies team is going to the Superbowl in July .
hindsight is a beautiful thing, most of y'all didn't figure it out until the second half of last season. The beginning of the 2011, 2012, and 2013 seasons everyone was going to the Super Bowl.
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More Bottom Line: The Colts and the Jags have replaced all their lost players with much better players than those they lost. The Texans have not and can not. The Texans have actually taken several steps backwards. Truth Alert! Hater Alert!.
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More Bottom Line: The Colts and the Jags have replaced all their lost players with much better players than those they lost. The Texans have not and can not. The Texans have actually taken several steps backwards. Truth Alert! Hater Alert!.
I think you say that same exact thing every offseason.
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using a lot of ifs, ands or buts to clarify your statements and make your point. The Bottom Line: Texans lost more good players as a direct result of the salary cap than they could replace. All the while the competition was replacing lost players with equal or even better players. It's that simple!
WTF are you talking about? Noone we lost can be considered a good player except for Mario, Leach and Quinn...those are facts. & even if we weren't in salary cap hell, we weren't paying Mario 100 million to keep him here....he damn sure wasn't deserving of it either.

anyone else that was a cap casualty for 1 reason or another wasn't an impact player....That fact is further backed up by our better record in the regular season and playoff appearance the year after 2011.

Schaub's contract extension was the only contract that was a bit shaky and definitely shouldn't have been given..That's 1 contract.

The funny thing is...(or not so funny depending on your outlook) he might very well still be here for the last year of his contract if he didn't fail so epically last year...
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I think you say that same exact thing every offseason.
I did/do because it was true.

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WTF are you talking about? Noone we lost can be considered a good player except for Mario, Leach and Quinn...those are facts. & even if we weren't in salary cap hell, we weren't paying Mario 100 million to keep him here....he damn sure wasn't deserving of it either.

anyone else that was a cap casualty for 1 reason or another wasn't an impact player....That fact is further backed up by our better record in the regular season and playoff appearance the year after 2011.

Schaub's contract extension was the only contract that was a bit shaky and definitely shouldn't have been given..That's 1 contract.

The funny thing is...(or not so funny depending on your outlook) he might very well still be here for the last year of his contract if he didn't fail so epically last year...
The point that you are missing is regardless of who the Texans lost to free agency, they never had the salary cap space to replace any of those lost players with equal or better talent. The process was always replacing a lost player with a lesser talent or value because that's all they could afford. The Texans had to take steps backwards much like they've done in 2014. People don't understand that the Texans for 3 consecutive years didn't have enough salary cap room to pay for a full 53 man roster.
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hindsight is a beautiful thing, most of y'all didn't figure it out until the second half of last season. The beginning of the 2011, 2012, and 2013 seasons everyone was going to the Super Bowl.
I think most Texans fans realized they were in trouble after the lettermans jacket game .
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The point that you are missing is regardless of who the Texans lost to free agency, they never had the salary cap space to replace any of those lost players with equal or better talent. The process was always replacing a lost player with a lesser talent or value because that's all they could afford. The Texans had to take steps backwards much like they've done in 2014. People don't understand that the Texans for 3 consecutive years didn't have enough salary cap room to pay for a full 53 man roster.
Can you provide examples of players lost that Houston did not replace with comparable value? Just curious. I have my own thoughts towards this specific question but curious on yours.
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The point that you are missing is regardless of who the Texans lost to free agency, they never had the salary cap space to replace any of those lost players with equal or better talent. The process was always replacing a lost player with a lesser talent or value because that's all they could afford. The Texans had to take steps backwards much like they've done in 2014. People don't understand that the Texans for 3 consecutive years didn't have enough salary cap room to pay for a full 53 man roster.
It's been stated before that the 49ers had 31 players make over a million and the Texans had 16 . It's also been stated that your special teams are an indicator of team talent .

You could say the Texans were way to loyal to home grown players like Keo and Sharpton who were small but made up for it in lack of speed .
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The point that you are missing is regardless of who the Texans lost to free agency, they never had the salary cap space to replace any of those lost players with equal or better talent. The process was always replacing a lost player with a lesser talent or value because that's all they could afford. The Texans had to take steps backwards much like they've done in 2014. People don't understand that the Texans for 3 consecutive years didn't have enough salary cap room to pay for a full 53 man roster.
You cant really say we have taken a step bacwards until you see the product on the field. The patriots for example a lot of times have a bunch of scrubs and still find more success than other teams filled with money whoring superstars.

I for one think we will be greatly improved this season. Because we have made "upgrades" No we didnt spend big money on any FAs, we did however get what i believe to be better on the o-line, dline, and the LB core.

How about we wait and see what the group looks like in 2014 before we call them the worst fielded team in the history of the NFL.
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No ... once again we all knew they were in deep poo but what are we gonna do except hope for the best . We knew they screwed the cap pooch and they were going to lose players . They hit the daily double when they missed badly on the backups evaluations .

Nobody wants to hear your teams deficiencies in July because every bodies team is going to the Superbowl in July .
Agreed,

But if you looked at things like Doc told us, Schaub/Foster's injury history, coupled with FA losses, with Kubiak leading the troops, the realist in you had to know that last yrs Texans team was not a SB contender. Particularly with last yrs schedule. What I didn't like was expressing my opinion and being labeled a hater. In fact some (Looking at you Marcus) still say I am a hater. That's the farthest from the truth. I'm one of the biggest Texans fans out there. I never miss a game and travel with the team once a yr. You should check out my game room. All Texans gear, including the red and blue pool table. But because I'm a realist I'm a hater. That's what gets me.

NOT that I'm taking up for Texian or that he needs to be taken up for. People may not like his opinions, Heck I don't like some of them. But he does throw himself out there as in the Bortles case. Which should be interesting to see if he was right. Anyway it makes for a more interesting MB. IMHO
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Agreed,

But if you looked at things like Doc told us, Schaub/Foster's injury history, coupled with FA losses, with Kubiak leading the troops, the realist in you had to know that last yrs Texans team was not a SB contender. Particularly with last yrs schedule. What I didn't like was expressing my opinion and being labeled a hater. In fact some (Looking at you Marcus) still say I am a hater. That's the farthest from the truth. I'm one of the biggest Texans fans out there. I never miss a game and travel with the team once a yr. You should check out my game room. All Texans gear, including the red and blue pool table. But because I'm a realist I'm a hater. That's what gets me.

NOT that I'm taking up for Texian or that he needs to be taken up for. People may not like his opinions, Heck I don't like some of them. But he does throw himself out there as in the Bortles case. Which should be interesting to see if he was right. Anyway it makes for a more interesting MB. IMHO
I look at things two different ways .

In 2012 I hoped the Texans win the Superbowl but I'd bet they wouldn't . Just didn't see the killer instinct . This year I hope they go 8-8 but if I had to put money on it ..... Having said that , what I want to see is smarter more physical team .
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The point that you are missing is regardless of who the Texans lost to free agency, they never had the salary cap space to replace any of those lost players with equal or better talent. The process was always replacing a lost player with a lesser talent or value because that's all they could afford. The Texans had to take steps backwards much like they've done in 2014. People don't understand that the Texans for 3 consecutive years didn't have enough salary cap room to pay for a full 53 man roster.
You're flat out overstating your case.....

Jacoby Jones - Posey/Hopkins = upgrade in the long run.

Briesel - Wade Smith = adequate replacement at the time.

Dunta Robinson - Kjax/Jonathan Joseph = adequate replacement/upgrade at the time/long run.

Barwin -Reed = adequate replacement considering what Barwin was giving us compared to what Reed did his rookie year.

Mario - Mercilus- downgrade at the time/ still pending

Quinn - Keo/Swearinger - downgrade...upgrade/adequate replacement in the long run

Leach - whoever - downgrade.

The last 3 are the only 3 that really effected us...1 of those there was no way we were going to keep him no matter what.
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The point that you are missing is regardless of who the Texans lost to free agency, they never had the salary cap space to replace any of those lost players with equal or better talent. The process was always replacing a lost player with a lesser talent or value because that's all they could afford. The Texans had to take steps backwards much like they've done in 2014. People don't understand that the Texans for 3 consecutive years didn't have enough salary cap room to pay for a full 53 man roster.
Why does Rick Smith still have a job?
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I look at things two different ways .

In 2012 I hoped the Texans win the Superbowl but I'd bet they wouldn't . Just didn't see the killer instinct . This year I hope they go 8-8 but if I had to put money on it ..... Having said that , what I want to see is smarter more physical team .
We're on the same page. I would consider if the things that you mentioned in your post happened that the season would be a success. If Savage turned out to be the QB of the future that would be gravy.
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Can you provide examples of players lost that Houston did not replace with comparable value? Just curious. I have my own thoughts towards this specific question but curious on yours.
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You're flat out overstating your case.....

Jacoby Jones - Posey/Hopkins = upgrade in the long run.

Briesel - Wade Smith = adequate replacement at the time.

Dunta Robinson - Kjax/Jonathan Joseph = adequate replacement/upgrade at the time/long run.

Barwin -Reed = adequate replacement considering what Barwin was giving us compared to what Reed did his rookie year.

Mario - Mercilus- downgrade at the time/ still pending

Quinn - Keo/Swearinger - downgrade...upgrade/adequate replacement in the long run

Leach - whoever - downgrade.

The last 3 are the only 3 that really effected us...1 of those there was no way we were going to keep him no matter what.
Instead of debating with me do this simple exercise and see for yourself. Make a list of Texans players lost in years 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014. Now make a list of the players that were signed to replace those respective lost players in each of those years.

Now make the same list for the Colts in years 2012, 2013 and 2014 and the same list for the Jaguars in 2014.

Compare the list. If you're drinking Kool Aid then you're only likely to see that the Texans are far superior in every category and every comparison. If you can put the kool aid down for a moment and are capable of making an objective analysis, then your findings will be completely different.

You'll likely find that the 2011 Texans were the best team (bought and paid for) and the 2012 team was worse than the 2011 team and the 2013 team was worse than the 2012 team and the 2014 team will be worse than the 2013 team.

You'll notice from the Colts list that the 2012 Colts team was much better than the 2011 Colts team and 2013 Colts team was much better than 2012 team and the 2014 Colts team is much better than the 2013 team.

From the Jaguar list you'll notice 2014 is a much much better team than their 2013 team.

The common denominator is the Colts and Jaguars cleaned house, dumped all bad contracts and made their salary cap work for the betterment of the team instead of against them. In each case with each list, w/o kool aid, it is easy to see where the Colts and Jags are taking BIG steps forward and how the Texans have consistently taken steps backwards each of these last 3 years. It doesn't take long to find the cellar with a few consistent years of negative yardage.
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Why does Rick Smith still have a job?
Because Bob McNair is the actual real GM and Rick is his assistant. Rick sees to it that what McNair wants and needs gets done. And Rick does what Bob doesn't necessarily want to do. Bob likes it that way. In essence Rick Smith is not responsible for many of the Texans failures (in Bob's eyes anyways). That's why Rick has a job.
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Instead of debating with me do this simple exercise and see for yourself. Make a list of Texans players lost in years 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014. Now make a list of the players that were signed to replace those respective lost players in each of those years.

Now make the same list for the Colts in years 2012, 2013 and 2014 and the same list for the Jaguars in 2014.

Compare the list. If you're drinking Kool Aid then you're only likely to see that the Texans are far superior in every category and every comparison. If you can put the kool aid down for a moment and are capable of making an objective analysis, then your findings will be completely different.

You'll likely find that the 2011 Texans were the best team (bought and paid for) and the 2012 team was worse than the 2011 team and the 2013 team was worse than the 2012 team and the 2014 team will be worse than the 2013 team.

You'll notice from the Colts list that the 2012 Colts team was much better than the 2011 Colts team and 2013 Colts team was much better than 2012 team and the 2014 Colts team is much better than the 2013 team.

From the Jaguar list you'll notice 2014 is a much much better team than their 2013 team.

The common denominator is the Colts and Jaguars cleaned house, dumped all bad contracts and made their salary cap work for the betterment of the team instead of against them. In each case with each list, w/o kool aid, it is easy to see where the Colts and Jags are taking BIG steps forward and how the Texans have consistently taken steps backwards each of these last 3 years. It doesn't take long to find the cellar with a few consistent years of negative yardage.

Houston bought and paid for a team in 2011.

2011 and 2012 were very good seasons. 2013 just came off the rails. This offseason they cleared the books for 2015. And your judging before 2014 & 2015 seasons happen, especially with a possibly huge cap space to work with in 2015.

How is this different than what the Colts did after they released Manning? They cleared the books and got the #1 pick. And have been filling in their roster with the extra cap space each season.

Houston paid for some free agents in 2011 and 2013...didn't work out...so they are now moving on. They have cleared the books just like Indy did a few years ago.

The 2014 draft was a great step in the right direction. The real test will be what is done in the offseason after the 2014 season. I'm not saying Houston will do what Indy did after their 2-14 season and go 10-6 the following season. But the Texans are correcting for their past cap issues. The way I see it, most teams have to do this every so often. Houston just had some bad timing with the new CBA and rookie wage scale.

And I disagree, I don't think the 2014 team will be worse than the 2013 team. The team hit rock bottom, and is starting the see the light.
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