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Old 06-21-2014   #141
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The biggest concern I have is INTs and that should be correctable especially with Foster and AJ and Fiedo.
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What if OB can coach him into top-half, 12th-16th out of 32, QB for 2014?

Now that would be something.
THAT is what we're banking on??

Romeo better whip up one hellified defense.
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THAT is what we're banking on??

Romeo better whip up one hellified defense.
That was Schaub at his best. Maybe just outside the top 10.
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That was Schaub at his best. Maybe just outside the top 10.
And has Fitzpatrick EVER come close to that level?
What makes anyone think he will now?
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And has Fitzpatrick EVER come close to that level?
What makes anyone think he will now?
No, he has never come close to that level.

But.

By the power of OB, he shall have a Rich Gannon-like renaissance. Granted, he hasn't been in the league as long as Rich Gannon was when he turned it around so we might be a little premature and granted, Rich Gannon only had one outstanding season and 3 moderately OK seasons... but all we need is for Fitzpatrick to be Rich Gannon during that good period for a year. Maybe two.

Will it happen?

Probably not.

But that's what the damned kool-aid is for.

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No, he has never come close to that level.

But.

By the power of OB, he shall have a Rich Gannon-like renaissance. Granted, he hasn't been in the league as long as Rich Gannon was when he turned it around so we might be a little premature and granted, Rich Gannon only had one outstanding season and 3 moderately OK seasons... but all we need is for Fitzpatrick to be Rich Gannon during that good period for a year. Maybe two.

Will it happen?

Probably not.

But that's what the damned kool-aid is for.

Wait, wait...

Hit me with this...



Then repeat all that stuff you just said.

Maybe that'll work.
Kool aid alone is not enough.
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The biggest concern I have is INTs and that should be correctable especially with Foster and AJ and Fiedo.
Loosing the ball before thrown (fumble turnover [59 fumbles of which more than 1/2 were lost]), and having the ball loosely coming out of his hand as he throws his pass (interception) have been a hallmark of his career. Those type of stats can account single-handedly for a team losing a boatload of games. I'm afraid Foster, AJ and Fiedo will have no bearing on those killer factors.
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What if OB can coach him into top-half, 12th-16th out of 32, QB for 2014? Now that would be something.
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That would be great. But you could ask the same re. Keenum...
FitzMagic has a 10 year record of poor QB'ing -- a turnaround of that magnitude would be the equivalent of re-floating the Titanic. And Keenum needs to wrest the starting job from TexBeard.
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FitzMagic has a 10 year record of poor QB'ing -- a turnaround of that magnitude would be the equivalent of re-floating the Titanic. And Keenum needs to wrest the starting job from TexBeard.

If I didn't make it clear by the wording of my post, that's exactly how I feel about it.....and I believe there is a very good chance of that happening.
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"They can win games with him," said Charley Casserly, an NFL Network analyst and former Texans general manager. "The question is, can he discipline himself? Could Fitzpatrick get them to 8-8? Sure. Could he get them better than that? Well, he has to play better than he's played in his career."

"He's a gunslinger," Casserly said. "He'll put it in some tough spots. And sometimes it'll get there and sometimes it won't."
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"He believed more in the strength of his arm than what he really had," said Bishop, a Titans radio analyst. "You were like, 'Well, he should just throw that out of bounds.' He had no shot and he'd jump and throw the ball and try to squeeze a pass in there, like a deep out or a comeback."

"If he's in the right system, he can be pretty effective," Bishop said. "But there's some part of me that thinks he thinks more of his ability, and he always will go back to that at some point. That's what hurt him in Buffalo and that's what hurt him with the Titans."
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Many coaches have tried to knock this flaw out of Fitzpatrick. None have succeeded. O'brien is not taking a college QB, as he has done successfully in the past, or a rookie QB or 1 or 2 year QB and trying to mold him. He is taking a 10-year veteran QB whose innate patterns have been solidly cemented into who he is, and now trying to teach him to always pee while sitting down. It is extremely unlikely to happen.
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Many coaches have tried to knock this flaw out of Fitzpatrick. None have succeeded. O'brien is not taking a college QB, as he has done successfully in the past, or a rookie QB or 1 or 2 year QB and trying to mold him. He is taking a 10-year veteran QB whose innate patterns have been solidly cemented into who he is, and now trying to teach him to always pee while sitting down. It is extremely unlikely to happen.
I agree, and I can't wait for Fitzy to lose the starting job, which he will during this season or next year's training camp at the latest. He's just a stop gap until Keenum or Savage or someone else takes his place, and that's exactly why they brought him in. The sooner he gets beat out of his job the better.
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The worst thing about naming Fitz the starter is, it kills excitement. I don't hate Fitz, I think he's solid. Not top 15 QB solid, but a guy that can get you a win. I believe with him we might win 8 games. We will be run heavy, he will have some good games and some bad games. But he promises nothing for our future.

He may give us the best chance to win now and that is what coaches want to do because their job is on the line. But it would be a major long shot to believe he gives us the chance to win big now or in the future (with him at QB). Basically everybody knows he won't be the answer (go out and prove me wrong Fitz).

I really hoped for an open camp battle. And maybe there is one. Keenum could be exciting because he still has some promise - and Savage would be exciting, though he probably isn't ready yet. But I'd be more ready to lose with Keenum or Savage than to win a little with Fitz. Maybe that makes me a bad fan...
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You guys are acting like Fitz is our franchise QB. He's a stop gap and that's all.
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I am waiting for the day when no one on this board ever says the name Keenum again.
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You guys are acting like Fitz is our franchise QB. He's a stop gap and that's all.
Yeah, and there is no question about that. But he is the boring stop gap. And just having a stop gap is kinda annoying. I'd much prefer to have someone that is still developing and that you could at least have some hope in becoming a franchise QB. What use is a stop gap? Either way you look at it, he will either win not enough games (to make the playoffs or even advance in the playoffs) or too many (to get a draft spot to get your potential franchise QB).

Like I said, I could get excited about watching Keenum - finding out if he has it or not. Even if he loses, that would be exciting. I could get excited about Savage, seeing stuff that could make him a franchise QB - even if he has a really bad first year like Peyton Manning had. That would be exciting. And if neither works out, well we should have a pretty good draft pick then to go after a QB...
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Fitz doesn't make it 6 games and then gets replaced by Savage.

Book it.
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Fitz doesn't make it 6 games and then gets replaced by Savage.

Book it.
I'd even take the under on that.

Every single thing that's going on with the QBs this off-season, every word OB says and every move OB makes, every single action is performed with the intention of putting Savage on that field as soon as possible but not so soon that he's being "given" the job and not so soon that his psyche or body will be damaged.

Fitzpatrick was signed to have a book-smart guy who could learn the system and then help train Savage, even though he himself might not be able to execute it properly because he doesn't make good decisions when the bullets are flying. Fitzpatrick was named the starter for a variety of reasons: motivation, lack of pressure, bar setting.

Fitzpatrick will probably be the starter of the first pre-season game, maybe the second.

I personally expect the story in Training Camp to be how great Savage is picking things up and I expect Savage to end up taking the job sooner rather than later. Possibly even by Game 1.

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I'd even take the under on that.

Every single thing that's going on with the QBs this off-season, every word OB says and every move OB makes, every single action is performed with the intention of putting Savage on that field as soon as possible but not so soon that he's being "given" the job and not so soon that his psyche or body will be damaged.

Fitzpatrick was signed to have a book-smart guy who could learn the system and then help train Savage, even though he himself might not be able to execute it properly because he doesn't make good decisions when the bullets are flying. Fitzpatrick was named the starter for a variety of reasons: motivation, lack of pressure, bar setting.

Fitzpatrick will probably be the starter of the first pre-season game, maybe the second.

I personally expect the story in Training Camp to be how great Savage is picking things up and I expect Savage to end up taking the job sooner rather than later. Possibly even by Game 1.

I would doubt seriously that Savage will be starting any games before game 9 if at all this year (unless Keenum fails first). He has not come out of college as anywhere close to a polished college QB. From everything I've read, OB recognizes this and is highly unlikely to throw Savage in there, except out of "necessity."
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1. bill obrien is in his first year. he's not gonna get fired on his first year considering how much rope kubiak got. he can totally get away with PURPOSELY TANKING this season to get another high draft pick next year. Find out what you have in keenum and savage. stop wasting everybody's time with fitzpatrick.

2. open camp battle. how many times have we heard this? Yet the coach names Fitzpatrick starter before training camp even starts.

How in the world is that even a open camp battle? You literally closed the battle by naming fitzpatrick starter before any actual battle took place.



then he's the worst stop gap they could have ever chosen.

nfl front offices are soooooooooooooooooooooo behind on the concept of tanking.

why use a stop gap that can cost you draft position by being mediocre?

You either go for it all or you plan for the future.

Playing fitzpatrick not only kills the present, it kills the future.

If you are gonna go the stop gap route, go with keenum and savage. throw both into the fire.

start keenum 8. he either steps up or stepds down and then you go with savage.

Why prolong the situation?

We are basically in the same situation that were we in with schaub last year with fitzpatrick playing schaub's role.

ITS A FREAKING WASTE OF TIME.

WOW! Have you ever played organized, competitive team sports? Tanking... really? What you are suggesting would set the organization back 10 years... to embrace a culture of losing and tell your roster that you don't believe in them. ... and for what? To end up with the 1st pick again and hope that a once in the lifetime QB is sitting there for them.

Perhaps you should stick to watching Professional Wrestling and the NBA.
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