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Old 06-20-2014   #121
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1. that's not what obrien sounded like when he first was talking about it. when he first started talking about this, he was all fair competition, having to earn it, everybody will get a fair and equal shot. With him naming a starter before training camp even starts, he sounds just like gary kubiak.

FULL OF SH*T.

2. Wouldnt it be better incentive if the job hasnt been given already and it was up in the air? Your explanation sounds good at first glance but in essence its the COMPLETE OPPOSITE.

The fact that you named a starter BEFORE any real competition shows you are playing favorites and basically kills actual competition and motivation to win the starting job since the other two qbs know you are favoring fitzpatrick.

What do you think is greater incentive? That your coach hasnt decided who the starter is and that anybody of the 3 can win it?

or naming one starter before any real competition started and saying to those those other guys hey beat this guy i named started and you'll have to do it with less reps, less reps with the first team. less everything since obrien named fitzpatrick a starter already.


3. You reward the guy who has earned the job through actual competition. NOt because of seniority which is what this move basically signifies. This is a typical gary kubiak move.

Naming fitzpatrick as your starter meanss the other two guys competing for that spot are fighting an uphill battle. Its basically a rigged competition from here on out.
If you're a competitor......which i'm sure Case is, none of what you're saying here matters. You think Case has just shut it down since B'OB has named Fitz the starter? Seriously doubt it. Tom Brady has carved out a HOF career due to a ginormous chip on his shoulder...A chip that was created on his draft day and 1 that systematically grew everyday he wasn't named the starter in NE. So while you're in here whining about what's the greater incentive for Case, Fitz being named the starter could be the best thing that ever happens to him and his career if he is to ultimately be successful.
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not enough to name a starter. reps vs nobody comapared to reps vs actual competition where people are going after you is totally different.

being from harvard and book smart doesnt necessarily equate to being smart on the field. fitzpatrick's entire career is evidence of that.

as for the incentive part, naming fitzpatrick as starter is not challenging keenum or savage. obrien is basically undercutting them and rigging the competition for fitzpatrick.

i cant believe you people cant see that.
With all due respect, I think there is tape on Keenum and Fitz to see what happens under pressure, and you can pretend all you want that Keenum is good under pressure, but we all know he is not. At least Fitzpatrick has demonstrated he can either get rid of it, or take a sack without losing 20 yards.

Why is it you think Keenum deserves anything more than he has gotten? Why is it you continue to make excuses just because Keenum connected on some nice deep throws? Do you think the team can go deep every play?

Sometimes the little extra push (not being named starter) is all you need to drive you to work harder, study longer, and get better. If Keenum cannot handle the adversity of not being named the starter, he has no business as the starting QB.

I highly doubt Keenum views the opportunity to win the starting job is as dire as you do. There is a LONG way to go before opening day, and anything could happen between now and then.

Personally I do not think Keenum's problems are related to physical limitations, but rather the limitation is between his ears. That is something that cannot be coached out of you IMO.
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If you're a competitor......which i'm sure Case is, none of what you're saying here matters. You think Case has just shut it down since B'OB has named Fitz the starter? Seriously doubt it. Tom Brady has carved out a HOF career due to a ginormous chip on his shoulder...A chip that was created on his draft day and 1 that systematically grew everyday he wasn't named the starter in NE. So while you're in here whining about what's the greater incentive for Case, Fitz being named the starter could be the best thing that ever happens to him and his career if he is to ultimately be successful.
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Ya ought to be used to it by now.
I'd rather have the best defense than a great QB with no way to stop the other guy.
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WHAT IN THE HELL IS THIS????????



Did i miss the whole fair quarterback competition thing??????

Did i miss training camp????

Did i miss preseason?

How can you name fitzpatrick starter when training camp hasnt even started yet?????

That's what you call a fair quarterback competition??????????

WTF??????

= FOREVER.


that's what starting ryan fitzpatrick means. What's the point of even watching?
The Starter FOR NOW means he gets the majority of reps in TC, not during the season. But he has the inside track to BEGIN THIS SEASON! But if you watch the NFL for any length of time you know that this week's starter is as secure as your money under a Demoncrat.
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not enough to name a starter. reps vs nobody comapared to reps vs actual competition where people are going after you is totally different.

being from harvard and book smart doesnt necessarily equate to being smart on the field. fitzpatrick's entire career is evidence of that.

as for the incentive part, naming fitzpatrick as starter is not challenging keenum or savage. obrien is basically undercutting them and rigging the competition for fitzpatrick.

i cant believe you people cant see that.
Perhaps we've been watching football a bit longer.

Enjoy being the smartest guy in every room while you can. When you get a little experience under your belt you will understand how much you don't know and how much of what you think you know is dead wrong.
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I wish people would stop quoting Lord Bills. It makes the ignore function useless.
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No s--t. This was expected. I don't get why everybody is ready to jump off the top of Chase Tower.
Excuse me for being in a time warp, but is this Chase Tower just a new name for the old Transco Tower? Every building I knew has been renamed.

Oh! It's the old Texas Commerce Bank Building.

And the old Transco Tower is now Williams Tower.

Who can keep up?
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not enough to name a starter. reps vs nobody comapared to reps vs actual competition where people are going after you is totally different.

being from harvard and book smart doesnt necessarily equate to being smart on the field. fitzpatrick's entire career is evidence of that.

as for the incentive part, naming fitzpatrick as starter is not challenging keenum or savage. obrien is basically undercutting them and rigging the competition for fitzpatrick.

i cant believe you people cant see that.
Based on whose criteria? yours?... How can you possibly say that the coaching staff did not gather enough information the past few weeks to have some clarity heading into training camp? What possible motivation would O'Brien have to cheat the better QB out of playing time? He's trying to put together the best roster and put them in the best situation to succeed... He's not tied to any of these guys.
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Recurring criticism of Fitzpatrick by analysts: Too much of a gunslinger with not enough of an arm.

#Titans radio analyst/ex-Oilers safety Blaine Bishop on Ryan Fitzpatrick: "I called him ‘Pickpatrick,' because he was really inconsistent."

Since #Texans' Ryan Fitzpatrick entered #NFL in 2005, 32 quarterbacks have started at least 50 games. Fitzpatrick's rankings among 32 QBs:

Yards per attempt (31 out of 32), passer rating (28), losses (tied for 28), wins (26), yards per game played (24), interceptions (22).

Definition of insanity...?
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Definition of insanity...?
Bears out my opinion that, after 10 years Fitzpatrick is who he is.....a hard-working book smart Harvard graduate, whose college brain never quite developed a close attachment to his arm.
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Bears out my opinion that, after 10 years Fitzpatrick is who he is.....a hard-working book smart Harvard graduate, whose college brain never quite developed a close attachment to his arm.
The hope isn't in Fitzpatrick becoming a different person. The hope is in the coaching staff, knowing who he is, creating a game plan and making small adjustments in his game, which afford him greater success and most important- team success.

I think fans underestimate the impact circumstances have on a QBs success (or lack of)... Remember also, Fitzpatrick played at a level for long enough to convince the Bills to sign him to a very large deal. The question is this: can O'Brien and company create an environment that allows him to sustain that level of performance over the course of 16 games or was that 6 game span simply an aberration? If you look at his 2010 season, Fitzpatrick played darn good football most of that season with a pretty poor surrounding cast. Simply eliminating his final game of the season (vs. NE), Fitzpatrick TD/Int ration = 23/12.
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Definition of insanity...?
I just think he was in situations where they asked him to do too much is all....Basically he's a more mobile Schaub. Serviceable as long as you don't put the game on his shoulders. You think back on those Bills teams, those Cincy teams that Titan team, not much to work with at any of those stops. I think if we get enough help around him, we'll be fine with him as a stop gap guy...I could even see a scenario where we could make it to the playoffs with him. Are we winning the SB with him at qb though? of course not, but I don't think he's as bad as his numbers might indicate.
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Definition of insanity...?
What that tells me is that he's a career backup with significant playing time who has out performed a number of starters in some key areas.....

....in other words, if you need a stop gap until you get a young player ready, here's an option. Furthermore, watch some tape and consider the teams he was on. He's no hall of famer......but he's a decent ex-flamer.
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Bears out my opinion that, after 10 years Fitzpatrick is who he is.....a hard-working book smart Harvard graduate, whose college brain never quite developed a close attachment to his arm.
What if OB can coach him into top-half, 12th-16th out of 32, QB for 2014?

Now that would be something.
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What if OB can coach him into top-half, 12th-16th out of 32, QB for 2014?

Now that would be something.
That would be great. But you could ask the same re. Keenum.....and, if so, Keenum would definitely win the potential "upside" part of the battle.
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That would be great. But you could ask the same re. Keenum.....and, if so, Keenum would definitely win the potential "upside" part of the battle.
Why does this conversation remind me of the classic junior high banter of who's farts smell better, lol
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Why does this conversation remind me of the classic junior high banter of who's farts smell better, lol
Of course, there are those that never fart......they'll tell you that they only toot....a gentler aroma, you know.
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