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Old 07-03-2014   #301
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In this age of the NFL you plan your game plan around the strengths of your young QB. See the Niners with Kap and Seahawks with Wilson.
Kap didn't start the first game of the season, he came in when Smith got hurt, it wasn't planned. Wilson won the job. Additionally, Wilson was a third round pick. The common assumption is that if the Texans had selected a QB in the third round they would have selected Garropolo....IIRC.
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Kap didn't start the first game of the season, he came in when Smith got hurt, it wasn't planned. Wilson won the job. Additionally, Wilson was a third round pick. The common assumption is that if the Texans had selected a QB in the third round they would have selected Garropolo....IIRC.
Why I believe BOB will start the season with fitz but around games 4-6 he switches to Savage.
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Might be, alot of factors but who knows. As long as what they decide is productive, I'm good. I just worry about rushing him because of what happened with David Carr, because of what's happened with other QBs, etc. I just hope we get to do it right and don't have to rush.
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Why I believe BOB will start the season with fitz but around games 4-6 he switches to Savage.
honestly it wouldnt matter to me if he were #1 or UDFA, even if savage were the next montana i wouldnt start him his rookie season. i strongly believe in the aaron rodgers approach. use the first season or two to groom. teach the young quarterback how to study and how to practice. eliminate flaws in his game and mechanics, and once he's prepared, begin the offseason with savage as the starter.

most definitely dont pencil him in half way through the season. either he's capable of starting the season or he's not. the biggest holes in keenum's game last year were a disconnect between coach, quarterback, line and receivers ... this is established in camp. trying to go from backup/scout team to starter in the middle of the season is being tossed to the sharks and trying to digest too much in 4 days for the next game. same as yates. schaub had the team on a major streak that yates could barely hold onto, and was absolutely lost when faced with a major defense like the ravens because as a rookie he wasnt a complete enough player to build a gameplan around.
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Keenum Yards 1760......Fitz 2454......Brady 4343.

Fitz: PassYPC: 7.0....RYPC 5.2 (4.8 for his career)...Sack yards-932/9.3 per year (11.2289/game)....INTs 12/ 93 career (9.3/yr)(1.13/game)
Keenum: YPC: 7.0...RYPC 5.1.....sack yards 201/ 100.5 per year (25/game)...INTs 6/3 per year(.75/game)....even though he only played 8 games, which is 1/2 of a year.
Brady: YPC:6.9...RYPC .6 (1.8 for his career)....sack yards-2,150/153.57 per year (11.256/game)...INTs 11/ 134 career (.69 per game). Just for clarification, Brady pretty much never runs with the ball except QB sneaks from the 1 yd line)

Keenum won 2013 in one category, INTs, on a small sample......how comfortable are we that if he played 11 games or 16 games he would have still won that category?? He threw zero his first 3 games, all 6 were in the last 5

Case Keenum: Scoring: 9 pass, 1 rush, 1 TD....pts. 6 (6 per year)....1 year/8 games
R Fitzpatrick: Scoring: 106 pass, 9 rush, 9 TD....pts. 56 (5.6 per year)....10 years/83 games
T Brady: Scoring: 359 pass, 14 rush, 14 TD....pts. 84 (6.0 per year)....14 years/191 games

Brady throws 0.06 INTs less than Keenum who throws .38 less than Fitz. He does need to fix those!!

Career Fumbles: Brady 24 (.12565/game), Fitzpatrick 17 (.2048), Keenum 2 (.25).
This works out that brady fumbles once every 10 games, Fitz every 5, and Keenum every 4.

Which is ok with us, Fitz 2 INTs per year more or Keenums 81 sack yards more per year and 1 extra fumble??
Fitz also had a 3 consecutive game stretch of zero INTs in 2013 and 2008.

Stats are from NFL.com
In order to compare apples to apples you should only use the first 8-9 starts for each QB. It's hardly fair to compare a 12 year career or a 9 year career to an 8 GAME career. The question is what did Brady and Fitzpatrick look like during their first 8 starts? Also, for completeness, how did their supporting casts compare to what Keenum had last year??
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Did anyone catch the All Access on NFLN a couple of nights ago that was talking about Tony Romo? They showed a stat that he's thrown the most 4th qtr INTs since 2011 than any other QB.

The no. 2 QB on that list? Houston Texans starting QB, Ryan Fitzpatrick. We made the list!
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Did anyone catch the All Access on NFLN a couple of nights ago that was talking about Tony Romo? They showed a stat that he's thrown the most 4th qtr INTs since 2011 than any other QB.

The no. 2 QB on that list? Houston Texans starting QB, Ryan Fitzpatrick. We made the list!
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Did anyone catch the All Access on NFLN a couple of nights ago that was talking about Tony Romo? They showed a stat that he's thrown the most 4th qtr INTs since 2011 than any other QB.

The no. 2 QB on that list? Houston Texans starting QB, Ryan Fitzpatrick. We made the list!
Excellent! It's nice to know we are in the top ten of something.
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honestly it wouldnt matter to me if he were #1 or UDFA, even if savage were the next montana i wouldnt start him his rookie season. i strongly believe in the aaron rodgers approach. use the first season or two to groom. teach the young quarterback how to study and how to practice. eliminate flaws in his game and mechanics, and once he's prepared, begin the offseason with savage as the starter.

most definitely dont pencil him in half way through the season. either he's capable of starting the season or he's not. the biggest holes in keenum's game last year were a disconnect between coach, quarterback, line and receivers ... this is established in camp. trying to go from backup/scout team to starter in the middle of the season is being tossed to the sharks and trying to digest too much in 4 days for the next game. same as yates. schaub had the team on a major streak that yates could barely hold onto, and was absolutely lost when faced with a major defense like the ravens because as a rookie he wasnt a complete enough player to build a gameplan around.
Yeah but wasnt Rodgers behind Farve, Savage is behind Fitz.
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In order to compare apples to apples you should only use the first 8-9 starts for each QB. It's hardly fair to compare a 12 year career or a 9 year career to an 8 GAME career. The question is what did Brady and Fitzpatrick look like during their first 8 starts? Also, for completeness, how did their supporting casts compare to what Keenum had last year??
Actually, I wasn't trying to be fair. I was giving Keenum the benefit of his small sample. 8 games isn't alot of time to figure someone out. But everything is averaged, so it's clear that there's no enormous difference. Everyone always wants to act like one player or the other is exponentially superior, well....there is no such thing in the NFL.....it's a difference of inches. That's why I'm hopeful coaching is quality this year and these coaches can make a difference. I don't care who starts.....put the best one out there and lets go!
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Yeah but wasnt Rodgers behind Farve, Savage is behind Fitz.
That should help him if he wants to be a photographer.
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Honestly I just see most of these arguments in this thread as well as others that were made for Yates as so fraudulent.

All of this bashing on Fitzpatrick who has actually played well enough at one time to get an extension from the BIlls where he put up decent numbers one year on a really bad team with a lack of weapons. Fitzpatrick is no prize and only a stop gap for sure, but to see all of this whining and crying all because he is the current starter over "KEENUM" is a freaking joke that makes the intelligence of this board look bad.
I'd just as soon never signed Fitzpatrick, cut Tj & Case, draft Savage, then pick up Josh Freeman & Brett Smith. Let them compete for the starting job.

If Keenum played for the Bills, the Jags, or the Cleveland Browns, I'd think their QB position is better than ours. I think the Jags QB situation is better than ours. Not because they drafted Bortles..... right now, there's no difference between Blake Bortles & Tom Savage; but because they have Chad Henne as their starter & we've got Ryan Fitzpatrick.

Remove Ryan Fitzpatrick from the equation & I believe our QB situation becomes much better than theirs. Keenum or no.
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Finally someone with sense.


Sent from the future...
8 games of Keenum... we've seen enough. Time to close the book. 'nuff said.


9 seasons of Fitzgerald... maybe OB can make something out of him.



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this is so funny it hurts. other than Bortles no QB fit early then OB let Savage fall to him. obvious who the QB will be question is... how quickly does he develop into upgrade this franchise requires to be successful?
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8 games of Keenum... we've seen enough. Time to close the book. 'nuff said.


9 seasons of Fitzgerald... maybe OB can make something out of him.



oh yeah.... that makes loads of sense to me too
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I'd just as soon never signed Fitzpatrick, cut Tj & Case, draft Savage, then pick up Josh Freeman & Brett Smith. Let them compete for the starting job.
Still pimping Freeman even though the NFL deems him not suitable for even the bloated ranks of the offseason.

His attitude and intelligence level make him particularly unsuited to the Texans' needs.
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Still pimping Freeman even though the NFL deems him not suitable for even the bloated ranks of the offseason.

His attitude and intelligence level make him particularly unsuited to the Texans' needs.
Couldn't you just see the disaster of letting Freeman run BOB's offense from the LOS? Especially since Freeman has trouble learning offenses simpler than BOB's.

That's the ticket to 2015 1-1 pick.
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Did anyone else hear a troll chirp?
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dis right here. best post in the entire thread.

the reason why a lot of posters here want keenum to fail is that they picked against him and they would have to eat crow.

people have agendas. judging from my time here, this team doesnt deserve a winner. this fanbase deserves what has happened to the texans.

a lot here were so arrogant and self entitled when we were winning back to back division titles slurping the guru kubiak and the pro bowl legend schaub.


even now, so much arrogance in this message board. i try to liven up this board with jokes/satire but you guys are so bent out of shape and backed up that all you do is give negative reps taking things so seriously.

GET OVER YOURSELVES. ITS A FOOTBALL MESSAGE BOARD.

even the moderator who is suppose to be above all that joins in on the gang mentality.


keenum wasnt even getting reps then got thrust into the starting role with virtually no running back a messed up offensive line, and a idiotic lame duck coach but somehow 8 games in, these same people who were licking kubiak/schaubh taint until both imploded are so sure keenum is worthless.


YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW TEXAN FANS.

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Houston Texan = Cleveland Browns South.

You all deserve each other.
Why do you lump all Texans fans together?

As of now you are correct the guys on Kirby are actually worse than the Cleveland Browns.
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dis right here. best post in the entire thread.

the reason why a lot of posters here want keenum to fail is that they picked against him and they would have to eat crow.

people have agendas. judging from my time here, this team doesnt deserve a winner. this fanbase deserves what has happened to the texans.

a lot here were so arrogant and self entitled when we were winning back to back division titles slurping the guru kubiak and the pro bowl legend schaub.


even now, so much arrogance in this message board. i try to liven up this board with jokes/satire but you guys are so bent out of shape and backed up that all you do is give negative reps taking things so seriously.

GET OVER YOURSELVES. ITS A FOOTBALL MESSAGE BOARD.

even the moderator who is suppose to be above all that joins in on the gang mentality.


keenum wasnt even getting reps then got thrust into the starting role with virtually no running back a messed up offensive line, and a idiotic lame duck coach but somehow 8 games in, these same people who were licking kubiak/schaubh taint until both imploded are so sure keenum is worthless.


YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW TEXAN FANS.

= FOREVER.

Houston Texan = Cleveland Browns South.

You all deserve each other.
I must say if you weren't certain of purchasing a brand new 2014 Bandwagon express you sure seem certain now. Let me warn you though sometimes that new bandwagon breaks down, and the one you sold because it was a POS passes you up.

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