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Old 06-25-2014   #201
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He went 4-7-1 that year.
So we could double our wins this year. Awesome.
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That was the year that Palmer injured his throwing elbow during one of the first games of the season. Palmer sat out, then tried to come back the beginning of October but couldn't perform but as a lame-winged duck because of what several specialist finally determined to have had a virtually shredded his ulnar collateral ligament of his elbow. They ALL strongly recommended Tommy John surgery. In all the absences of Palmer that season, Fitzpatrick won the starting duties by default. In 13 games, he logged 8 TDs with 9 INTs and 38 sacks with 11 fumbles of which he lost 1/2.......ending up with a 70 QB rating leading the Bengals to a pretty pitifull 4-11-1 season.........sniffing nowhere close to a playoff birth.
That's almost like a sky scrapper window cleaner watching the 9/11 tapes everyday before work. Thanks doc
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Mallett with a knee brace, was limited. Jimmy G looking okay.
When you look closely at Mallett's injury history, it seems to be somewhat concerning. Mallett transferred from Michigan to Arkansas and sat out '08 per NCAA rules. He missed the final two weeks of spring practice after dislocating his right (throwing) thumb. In early March '09, he suffered a minor left shoulder injury during spring practice. He had surgery in January '10 to tighten his left shoulder. Broke his left foot during February '10 conditioning drills. He then missed time with was believed to be a second concussion of his football career (Auburn) and a right throwing shoulder injury (Ole Miss). Last year he suffered another concussion. Now, he's suffered a mysterious left knee injury (the left knee that this already relatively immobile QB needs to push off of to drop back for a pass ).

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When you look closely at Mallett's injury history, it seems to be somewhat concerning. Mallett transferred from Michigan to Arkansas and sat out '08 per NCAA rules. He missed the final two weeks of spring practice after dislocating his right (throwing) thumb. In early March '09, he suffered a minor left shoulder injury during spring practice. He had surgery in January '10 to tighten his left shoulder. Broke his left foot during February '10 conditioning drills. He then missed time with was believed to be a second concussion of his football career (Auburn) and a right throwing shoulder injury (Ole Miss). Last year he suffered another concussion. Now, he's suffered a mysterious left knee injury (the left knee that this already relatively immobile QB needs to push off of to drop back for a pass ).

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That is a pretty lengthy injury history for a backup qb!
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When you look closely at Mallett's injury history, it seems to be somewhat concerning. Mallett transferred from Michigan to Arkansas and sat out '08 per NCAA rules. He missed the final two weeks of spring practice after dislocating his right (throwing) thumb. In early March '09, he suffered a minor left shoulder injury during spring practice. He had surgery in January '10 to tighten his left shoulder. Broke his left foot during February '10 conditioning drills. He then missed time with was believed to be a second concussion of his football career (Auburn) and a right throwing shoulder injury (Ole Miss). Last year he suffered another concussion. Now, he's suffered a mysterious left knee injury (the left knee that this already relatively immobile QB needs to push off of to drop back for a pass ).

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Mallett with a knee brace, was limited. Jimmy G looking okay.
Edge to O'Brian.
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You know that all could change. But for now, Ryan seems to be betting on Bill's good side.
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He went 4-7-1 that year. They didn't make the play-offs and ended up 4-11-1.

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....so he was more successful than Palmer.
YET!! Yet, has a better chance of being more successful than Matt Schaub's last season here???

Not that it would take a lot to be more successful than last season. That said, Fitz has kicked our asses a couple of times.... Maybe he can win a few for us..

After all, isn't that why they play the games???

As an aside, he'll have a future HOF receiver to throw to, aka AJ!
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I don't know if you have watched Savage. In college he wasn't known for overthrowing his receivers. Actually he doesn't only have a strong arm, he also has a very accurate arm. Very few balls really got away from him.

Savages problems have nothing to do with his arm strength, accuracy or footwork (although all can and should of course improve). His problems are going through his reads fast enough and dissecting a defense.

That is what is exciting about Savage. He has the size, the strength, the accuracy, the body that can take a beating and the pocket presence of a franchise QB. He looks the part and the only thing holding him back is the mental aspect. He was out of football a long time and never played in a system longer than a year in college, so that is to be expected. Still, a lot of QBs that have it all have failed the mental aspect and thus failed in the NFL.

I am pretty sure Bill wants to know before the end of the season, if Savage can drastically improve in the mental aspect of the game. If that means Savage needs to start some games, he will start some games (if Fitz isn't really Fitzmagic), but I don't think Bill needs to see that. He can gather enough information in practice. But Bill wants to know: can Savage be our guy of the future or do I need to draft a QB in the first round?
Very well said and true. I would like to add that even more impressive is when he did return to football at Pittsburgh he went 13 games 389 attempts 61.2 % 2958 for 7.6 avg with 21 TDs to only 9 INTs with basically a poor Oline.

Hopefully, O'Brien will continue what Coach Chryst began with Savage.
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YET!! Yet, has a better chance of being more successful than Matt Schaub's last season here???

Not that it would take a lot to be more successful than last season. That said, Fitz has kicked our asses a couple of times.... Maybe he can win a few for us..

After all, isn't that why they play the games???

As an aside, he'll have a future HOF receiver to throw to, aka AJ!
Yep and my question would be why did Smith and O'Brien select Fitz if he is so bad? I mean it seems like we took the best cow patty but he is still a cow patty. I don't get that.
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You guys are acting like Fitz is our franchise QB. He's a stop gap and that's all.
Actually, I'm talking like he's a bad stop gap. A very bad stop gap.

Tj & Keenum are better stop gaps. jmo
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Okay, who was a better free agent QB on the market at a decent price and with his experience? Name a few.
His experience is part of the problem. He's never been on a team with a winning season. He's been kicked off of three teams looking for a starting QB. I'd find it hard to believe he's won back to back games in more than one season.

Not signing a QB from this FA class would have been a better move.
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Actually, I'm talking like he's a bad stop gap. A very bad stop gap.

Tj & Keenum are better stop gaps. jmo
Exactly. And if Keenum really wants it bad, he will work hard study the playbook, learn from his coaches and his mistakes from last year and he can become a franchise qb.
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Savages problems have nothing to do with his arm strength, accuracy or footwork (although all can and should of course improve). His problems are going through his reads fast enough and dissecting a defense.

That is what is exciting about Savage. He has the size, the strength, the accuracy, the body that can take a beating and the pocket presence of a franchise QB. He looks the part and the only thing holding him back is the mental aspect.
If all that is true, then why in hades wasn't he the first QB taken in the draft. After all you can take the best rookie QB of any draft and say the same thing. So, something doesn't add up ... and with all the research teams do, you can't blame it on his being out of football for a year or moving to different schools. The combine and pro days will overrule that.
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If all that is true, then why in hades wasn't he the first QB taken in the draft. After all you can take the best rookie QB of any draft and say the same thing. So, something doesn't add up ... and with all the research teams do, you can't blame it on his being out of football for a year or moving to different schools. The combine and pro days will overrule that.
Prob because he bounced around from school to school and never really had a chance to settle down. Look at his first season starting, very impressive, then look at his last with Pitt, and he was really impressive even with that horrid o-line.

And are you serious about your pro day over ruling what you have done on the field haha, there are first rounders who do not even have a pro day. So shouldn't those guys go undrafted ? That is horrible logic !
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If all that is true, then why in hades wasn't he the first QB taken in the draft. After all you can take the best rookie QB of any draft and say the same thing. So, something doesn't add up ... and with all the research teams do, you can't blame it on his being out of football for a year or moving to different schools. The combine and pro days will overrule that.
No they won't, if combines/pro days and scouting were a exact science you wouldn't have players bust in the first and you wouldn't have late round steals. It's still just a gamble at the end of the day and with Savage's limited playing time that makes him a bigger gamble... reason why he was a mid round pick.
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Prob because he bounced around from school to school and never really had a chance to settle down. Look at his first season starting, very impressive, then look at his last with Pitt, and he was really impressive even with that horrid o-line.

And are you serious about your pro day over ruling what you have done on the field haha, there are first rounders who do not even have a pro day. So shouldn't those guys go undrafted ? That is horrible logic !
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Or Keenum

That 4 mil spent on Fitz could've been spent on a CB like Flowers or a RT/LB.
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