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Old 06-18-2014   #61
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Another set of recent shots of Fitzpatrick's low pass delivery.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11...ns-starting-qb
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Another set of recent shots of Fitzpatrick's low pass delivery.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11...ns-starting-qb
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Another set of recent shots of Fitzpatrick's low pass delivery.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11...ns-starting-qb
You mean that still shot of him tossing the ball around casually? Wouldn't his actual game throwing motion be higher?
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Interesting. So the way I am reading this is, the battle is now between Keenum and Savage to make the team? Which seems kind of silly because we all know they are not going to cut Savage after just drafting him.

Will O'Brien carry 3 QB's into the regular season, or is it possible Keenum gets cut after training camp?
But they could put Savage on the PS if Casey clearly performs better during TC. From what I've read, one thing that Case brings is an excellent deep ball.
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I hesitate to put very much into what OB is saying about players...........has anyone heard him say ANYTHING significantly critical of ANY player to this point????
O'Brien is definitely a Belichick disciple. He's not going to give us anything of substance.

For instance:

"TJ Yates, nothing but good things to say about him." - O'Brien

He just cut Yates, so surely he could say something not-so-good about the guy or he'd still be here. But, don't hold your breath for it. Never going to happen.
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You mean that still shot of him tossing the ball around casually? Wouldn't his actual game throwing motion be higher?
He had his shares of balls batted down from all the games I watched last year and a few from 2012.
Not terribly bad, but not a strength over Keenum.
But if one think that it's a problem for Keenum, then it is also a problem for Fitz.
I didn't really count them all, but I'm sure I didn't see much of a difference.

This is a part of the game that some might think Keenum is at a disvantage.
(He's supposed to, but it didn't show.)

Profootball Focus is currently running (I think) a month long study of the QB plays in 2013.
They are disecting their stats and observations in many different ways.
It's a good, lengthy exercise of working the brain.

I think they still have plenty of things to improve, but the effort is undeniable.

If one studies those numbers and different ways to tie them together, (if the name of the QBs were blanked out), I can guarantee that a good number of people can't tell where all the QBs fall on each of those tables.)

In another world, when you combine all the metrics and variances, a certain 0-8 QB actually performed better than guys with 6-7, 8-8 records, including some veterans with a SB ring or two.
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But they could put Savage on the PS if Casey clearly performs better during TC. From what I've read, one thing that Case brings is an excellent deep ball.
If they put Savage on the practice squad doesn't that mean other teams could sign him? Can someone confirm this please?

There is no question that Keenum throws a nice deep ball, but you can't throw deep every play. Savage throws a nice deep ball too, but seems to be better at intermediate throws than Keenum. I don't think anyone doubts that Savage is the best arm talent of the bunch, but being a starter is more than a strong arm.
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If they put Savage on the practice squad doesn't that mean other teams could sign him? Can someone confirm this please?

There is no question that Keenum has a nice deep ball, but you can't throw deep every play. Savage has a nice deep ball too, but seems to be better at intermediate throws than Keenum. I don't think anyone doubts that Savage is the best arm talent of the bunch, but being a starter is more than a strong arm.
Yes unless we put him on IR, but if we just put him on the practice squad any team can get him. He would have an "Injury" though
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There is like 0% chance Savage is on the PS and less than 1% he is put on IR
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If they put Savage on the practice squad doesn't that mean other teams could sign him? Can someone confirm this please?

There is no question that Keenum throws a nice deep ball, but you can't throw deep every play. Savage throws a nice deep ball too, but seems to be better at intermediate throws than Keenum. I don't think anyone doubts that Savage is the best arm talent of the bunch, but being a starter is more than a strong arm.
Yes, if Savage goes to the PS you're rolling the dice. But a forth round rookie talent who hasn't gone through a teams OTA's or training camp? Remember if a player is taken off a PS he has to be on the 53 man roster of the team taking him.

From the analysis posted by 76, Case is one of the highest rated QB's in throwing the deep ball. He has to improve on his intermediate routes - yes - but a good deep ball passer is much rarer than a good intermediate passer. When you find one, you better nurture that talent. It's likely one of the reasons Case had the edge on Yates. And it's probably going to be the reason Case wins the starting position if he has any chance of doing so. That is to say, if he makes improvement in his other areas of performance.
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OB has only said that Fitz will start the first game. This has been reinforced by the news coming out this past week. But remember, there are two first games. There is the first pre-season game and then there is the first regular season game.
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OB has only said that Fitz will start the first game. This has been reinforced by the news coming out this past week. But remember, there are two first games. There is the first pre-season game and then there is the first regular season game.
very good point, you dont think ole Bill would be that slick with his words do you ?
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I watched some Fitzpatrick clips earlier and his arm look weaker than Schaub's.

I can see why he gets picked to much...very poor ball velocity and decision making is not a good combo at all.

I'm gonna need to see how he looks in ore season but right now I don't think he's going to hold off keenum and savage.
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I really hope it's coach speak and Keenum or Savage really shine in preseason that we will roll with one of them instead of Fitzpatrick.

If Keenum has worked on his short and intermediate passes during the off-season, then he could be like Drew Brees.

Savage may be a bit raw right now, but if it was between him and Fitzpatrick, I would rather see Savage.

Hopefully we'll be able to get a grasp of how far Savage and Keenum have progressed once the preseason games start.
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With Fitzpatrick, I cannot shake visions of a canonless Sexy Rexy.
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The Texans issues weren't going to be solved in one offseason .
No one ever fixes all their issues.... you fix some, find new ones, deal with it.

Put the best bunch of guys together that you can, do the best you can, hope for a little luck, hope for a little over achievment, find that mo & ride it like you stole it.
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There is like 0% chance Savage is on the PS and less than 1% he is put on IR
The only way I could see it is with the "designated to return" tag. That way, you have Savage back on the active roster for the home stretch.

I doubt it though, given that he couldn't practice.
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