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Old 06-04-2014   #121
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I laid the stats out there deny them if you like. Pass protection was middle of the pack in 2009 so it was mediocre at best. It was nowhere close to the protection Schaub enjoyed in '10, '11, and '12, and we know the running game was light years better in those years too, yet he did not achieve the same kind of success as in 2009.

You didn't mention defense, did I say you did? I added the defense aspect to disprove what you were saying about what QB's need to be "REALLY" successful as you put it. Why so defensive?

Yeah sure you said more words, but it was the essence of your point. Why you are now trying to move the goal post, or add more to your scenario, I don't know. You asked the question and IMO 2009 Schaub is a perfect example of what you asked for. I don't know why you have such a inflated view of your opinion, but I couldn't care less about winning an argument with you. I shared my opinion on your post, you got all defensive and cocky. Not my problem.

Herv, I would never expect to see you agree with me. Your posts speak for themselves. You are taking this way too personal, and I am sorry if you feel slighted somehow.

Brees had better pass protection (13th) yet he finished 4th, Brady had much better protection (4th) yet he finished 3rd, Manning had worse protection (17th) and he finished 2nd. And ALL of those teams had better running games than the Texans in 2009. Those are facts.

You don't have to like it, or agree with it.

OK man.
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You really gotta let go of this angle ....
She put it out there I was just asking for a clarification.
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...don't hold your breath.




and they said Kubiak was stubborn...
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9. The real title of that article should be Arian Foster could give THIS OFFENSE a real chance. He really has been the most outstanding looking player on the offense of the skill positions in 2014.
The thread title confused me. I thought that Foster was endorsing Keenum's chances at becoming the starting QB. Misleading.
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The thread title confused me. I thought that Foster was endorsing Keenum's chances at becoming the starting QB. Misleading.
sorry i did not make the name of the article i just copied it, but yeah thats what i thought before actually reading the article
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The thread title confused me. I thought that Foster was endorsing Keenum's chances at becoming the starting QB. Misleading.
Yeah, that's what got me to look at the thread in the first place. I was um, when did he talk to Foster? Because Foster isn't saying much, and he likely wouldn't say that.

And then I looked at the article. Blurgh. His hot takes from takey town are demented by even Skip Bayless standards.
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She put it out there I was just asking for a clarification.
What more clarification did you need than straight from the source ?!
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Correct me if i am wrong but even then the league was still a rushing league, not so much anymore. And we all know that the colts were sucking for luck regardless of what the team was saying at the time. And you mentioned Luck, Faulk, Harrison. Is that all the team had ? I'm not saying luck is horrible but there are a handful of other guys i would want at QB before him.
Colts players said they never sucked for Luck. I've seen interviews with various players that find the concept offensive to expect professional players to lay down for a draft pick. These guys are graded and paid by performance, so asking any of them to SUCK on purpose is preposterous.

And if anyone thinks the HC was in suck for Luck mode, why would he do that and lose his job? Which he did after that season. It makes no logical sense.

The owner and GM certainly did NOT call plays or make roster decisions, so any conspiracy in that regard is simply foolish.

"Suck for Luck" was a media creation perpetuated by fans, but it was never an actual strategy by anyone in the Colts organization.

Besides, they were not sucking for Luck when they played the Texans on 12/22/11 and Dan Orlovsky lead them to victory at the end. If they were truly trying to suck for Luck, they would have clearly rolled over, but instead they kept fighting, thus undermining anyone trying to sell it. (I'm sure someone will try to spin that they already had the #1 pick at this point. If so...what? The owner goes into the locker room and tells the team to stop sucking on purpose? Really? Is that the reality that you are trying to believe?)

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6. The premise that Kubiak was somehow intentionally undermining Case Keenum is the biggest pile of an assorted of bad words the MB doesn't allow you to type. It makes my eyes roll back up into my head in an unattractive way.

Kubiak was the biggest supporter of Keenum out of school. His offense is actually probably one of the most well suited ones for Keenum because of the bootlegs. Why did Kubiak pull him? Because he didn't want him to get killed because he couldn't make the right choices as it related to blitzes. After there were marching orders post-Kubiak to play Keenum no matter what, that's when he got hurt.
QFT.

Every time I read/hear folks slam Kubiak because he didn't give Keenum a chance or whatever, I pretty much mark it up to doofus talk (no offense to anyone who continues to bleat such a thing).

The ONLY reason Keenum was even on an NFL roster was specifically because of Gary Kubiak. Keenum would be a footnote in NCAA football history right now if not for Kubiak.
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Very interesting breakdown. Thanks! MSR.
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The thread title confused me. I thought that Foster was endorsing Keenum's chances at becoming the starting QB. Misleading.
It doesn't mislead me one bit.

My understanding when reading the title is that "Keenum, if he start, has a real chance with Foster in the backfield".

Besides, from start to finish, all he did was to reiterate the current state of open competition at the QB position.
Whatever he wrote in any other article isn't carried over to this piece.
So what that he was wrong about Watt.
It won't be the last time somebody's opinion turns out to be wrong.
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Is it really an open competition? Sounds like to me it's going to be Fitzpatrick by default.

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Is it really an open competition? Sounds like to me it's going to be Fitzpatrick by default.

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I'm honestly not sure how you drew that conclusion form anything written in that article.
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I'm honestly not sure how you drew that conclusion form anything written in that article.
Perhaps I am just better at reading between the lines than you? Maybe I phoned into Mrs. Cleo's Psychic hotline.
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I don't see it either. Basically I took it as an article stating why Fitzpatrick would be a good starter for O'Brien's system. We'll get a clearer picture of who will start once preseason starts.
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Reading that article was a waste of 30 seconds.
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Reading that article was a waste of 30 seconds.
Pretty much my thoughts.
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Is it really an open competition? Sounds like to me it's going to be Fitzpatrick by default.

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Because of his experience, he's the probable starter. PROBABLE.

He's the guy who should win the job but if someone unexpectedly steps up, they can take the job from him. Personally, I think he's just keeping the seat warm for Savage and when OB thinks Savage can play without getting killed or without making too much of a fool of himself, Savage will "win" the job.
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Besides, they were not sucking for Luck when they played the Texans on 12/22/11 and Dan Orlovsky lead them to victory at the end. If they were truly trying to suck for Luck, they would have clearly rolled over, but instead they kept fighting, thus undermining anyone trying to sell it.
Among the top 3 most embarrassing losses that the Texans ever endured.
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