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Old 06-11-2014   #401
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Have you ever played football? in what bizarre world are the interior OLinemen taught to 'give ground'?

So you're saying that Clowney with his awesome first step is going to split a C and G on his way to the QB. First it was about him doing it as a NT all alone, then it turned to a 'nascar' package. What is it going to be next? Giving ground ... good stuff.
...are you serious? While guards and centers don't give as much ground as a tackle in pass pro, they 100% take at least a few steps backwards. If you don't, good luck...
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The football side, though, is tricky in David's absence. Without the guy that was thought, at worst, to be the team's swing tackle and, at best, to start at one of the offensive line positions, the Texans are left with little in the way of tackle options.

Brennan Williams is still recuperating from microfracture surgery and has played fewer than ten games in two calendar years. Xavier Su'a-Filo, thought to be a strong candidate to take over at guard, has the versatility to play both guard and tackle, but missing ten days of offensive installation eliminates the option of learning both positions.

So, the tackle depth chart, as it sits right now behind Duane Brown and Derek Newton, consists of nothing but undrafted rookie free agents. After watching Newton closely in OTA, I see a different player than in 2013, much different. But, until the pads go on, we won't know for sure whether he's going to emerge from the long shadow cast by such an individually difficult season.

I've mentioned the three tackles that the team signed post-draft. Bryan Witzmann from South Dakota State, Matt Fieler from Bloomsburg and Anthony Dima from UMass, who the Texans signed off of waivers after rookie mini-camp. I wouldn't expect a starter from that group, but I would now expect one of those three guys, at a minimum, to make the 53-man roster, given the upheaval at that position. Yes, the team must sign a veteran but there's not a tackle Walmart out there where you can just pluck a 6-5, 305 lb. man off the shelf for future use. Heck, there's not even an OL Quicky Mart convenience store and that's just an unfortunate fact of life; I'd go there to shop every day, but I'm a football goofball.

Anyhow, if timing works in the Texans favor in the slightest, they can sign someone this week, have him in for mandatory mini-camp and give him five weeks to learn the basics of the playbook prior to training camp. That's the good news, slight though it may be, in a day wrought with a ton of bad.

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I honestly don't think Newton is as bad as he looked last season.

He beat out some ok competition in Rashard Butler for the job...Ryan Harris didn't really take the job from Newton...

I think that injury he had affected him as well as some pretty shoddy technique...I've said it before and I'll say it again...just based on seeing some of the things our Oline did on a regular basis, I was not a fan of Benton.
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How about Tyson Clabo, Ryan Harris, or Eric Winston as insurance?

They should work for veteran mininum?
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How about Tyson Clabo, Ryan Harris, or Eric Winston as insurance?

They should work for veteran mininum?
i'd take any of them over what we're poised to trot out there without quess. heck, i'd rather see if vrabel can add a few pounds than rely on newton or the others.
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I honestly don't think Newton is as bad as he looked last season.

He beat out some ok competition in Rashard Butler for the job...Ryan Harris didn't really take the job from Newton...

I think that injury he had affected him as well as some pretty shoddy technique...I've said it before and I'll say it again...just based on seeing some of the things our Oline did on a regular basis, I was not a fan of Benton.
If this coaching staff can make a purse out of the pig's ear that Newton has been so far, they'll deserve a standing ovation. Newt was horrid in '13, but injured & overweight. He was just bad in '12.

One thing going for him is his thighs don't rub anymore...

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If this coaching staff can make a purse out of the pig's ear that Newton has been so far, they'll deserve a standing ovation. Newt was horrid in '13, but injured & overweight. He was just bad in '12.

One thing going for him is his thighs don't rub anymore...

When Newton was at 311 pounds coming out of college, the feeling by the experts was that in order to succeed in the NFL, he would need to add some more bulk. He obviously overshot with 330 pounds at the 2013 OTAs. But I assure you, that had a lot to do with his offseason Patella tendon surgery. Just as I emphasized last year that he never had opportunity to fully rehab from the surgery prior to the season, and certainly not during the season. If you also remember, I've tried to have people give him a great deal of slack for his performance last year because of this....as I've also tried to encourage people that there is reason for hope that as he is fully rehabbed from his injury (which he was forced to play through and look bad a good deal of the 2012 season prior to having the surgery after that season was completed), he could, especially with the accumulated experience, come out this year as a totally different player. He already apparently has the physique to go with his new makeover. I suspect that he may surprise quite a few people this year unless he reinjures his knee.
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...I suspect that he may surprise quite a few people this year unless he reinjures his knee.
A'ight, now tell me why Ricky Sapp never smiles/always looks unhappy?
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A'ight, now tell me why Ricky Sapp never smiles/always looks unhappy?
Not anymore.........he just got a new pair of choppers........


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Apparently Watt and several others are enjoying Schlitterbahn on their day off.

I can tell Watt, Reed, Browner and Crick in this one. I think Yates might be the one with jorts. Not sure.



Browner, Watt and can't tell who the dude is with the dreads

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Apparently Watt and several others are enjoying Schlitterbahn on their day off.

I can tell Watt, Reed, Browner and Crick in this one. I think Yates might be the one with jorts. Not sure.



Browner, Watt and can't tell who the dude is with the dreads

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Swearinger has longer hair. He's not that big either
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Swearinger has longer hair. He's not that big either
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I honestly don't think Newton is as bad as he looked last season.
I don't think he has to be much better than he was last year. If we fixed that gapping whole at LG, giving ground on the right side isn't a deal breaker. Hopefully Su'a-Filo is that fix at LG & DB76 can return to form not having to compensate for Wade.

Being able to step up in the pocket is going to help our QB tremendously & mitigate shoddy play at RT.

A true blocking TE is going to help as well.
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A'ight, now tell me why Ricky Sapp never smiles/always looks unhappy?
Look at that hairline.
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...are you serious? While guards and centers don't give as much ground as a tackle in pass pro, they 100% take at least a few steps backwards. If you don't, good luck...
I prefer when the linemen up the middle stonewall the defense, slide step and work laterally vs just dropping back 3 yards and possibly impeding the QB. You should try to engage the defender as close to the line of scrimmage as possible.
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I would not be shocked to see Ryan Harris back at 29 and experienced in ZBS with Houston.
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I would not be shocked to see Ryan Harris back at 29 and experienced in ZBS with Houston.
& at 6-5 302lbs, he's got good size.
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When Newton was at 311 pounds coming out of college, the feeling by the experts was that in order to succeed in the NFL, he would need to add some more bulk. He obviously overshot with 330 pounds at the 2013 OTAs. But I assure you, that had a lot to do with his offseason Patella tendon surgery. Just as I emphasized last year that he never had opportunity to fully rehab from the surgery prior to the season, and certainly not during the season. If you also remember, I've tried to have people give him a great deal of slack for his performance last year because of this....as I've also tried to encourage people that there is reason for hope that as he is fully rehabbed from his injury (which he was forced to play through and look bad a good deal of the 2012 season prior to having the surgery after that season was completed), he could, especially with the accumulated experience, come out this year as a totally different player. He already apparently has the physique to go with his new makeover. I suspect that he may surprise quite a few people this year unless he reinjures his knee.
There is hope with a fully healed Newton. I'm also very high on Witzmann. He's last yrs Ques. IMHO

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Godsey on O'Brien: I really like his straightforwardness, honesty. That's the leader we want. As coaches under him, we've all learned a lot.

QB coach George Godsey will address media at today's press conference post-practice. #Texans
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Godsey, who used to play for O'Brien, says that O'Brien has become one of his better friends. #Texans

The #Texans have one more day of voluntary OTAs tomorrow. The mandatory minicamp is next Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday.

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Godsey: learning by making mistakes is truest way to learn. Savage has done good job of progressing from that. #Texans

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Godsey: Keenum/Yates working hard at the system, also helping Savage too. #Texans
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#Texans' Godsey said he's always believed the game is played through quarterback's eyes. Trying to establish that with team.

#Texans QB coach Godsey said "knowledge is power" and Fitzpatrick has more knowledge because of his experience. #NFL
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OLB Whitney Mercilus said he learned a lot from McGinest on field and in meeting room today.

McGinest made same transition Clowney is making from DE to OLB.

McGinest gave pointers to players in meetings and on field.

McGinist played for DC Romeo Crennel and with LB coach Mike Vrabel at NE. They brought him to meetings and on the field.

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