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The new College Football Playoff has presented us with a great matchup of two of the last two Heisman Trophy winners as Oregon’s Marcus Mariota squares off against Florida State’s Jameis Winston on New Year’s night at the Rose Bowl. At PFF we’ve been diving into the college game this season so what better way to preview the game than by looking at two of the nation’s best quarterbacks? Not only are Mariota and Winston excellent college players, they’re both expected to become top picks in the NFL Draft. Here’s a look at how the two quarterbacks shaped up with regard to stats and grades.
Note: * All grades are normalized by situation, meaning they’re graded in comparison to other college quarterbacks in a similar situation.
Overall

We have to start with the caveat that Mariota and Winston play in completely different systems so it’s not always apples to apples when comparing them. That said, as always, the PFF grades take into account the quarterback’s actual contribution on each play by evaluating their decision making, throw location, throw difficulty, and everything else that goes into a given play. Here’s a broad look at Mariota and Winston this season.



Under Pressure

The first thing that stands out is that Mariota has attempted about half as many passes as Winston when pressured. Both players have performed fairly well, but Mariota’s +12.5 grade and 11.7 yards per attempt stand out. Winston held his own, particularly given the unrest at the center position throughout the season. Prior to an offensive line overhaul in Week 12, Winston faced pressure through the center on 30 drop-backs, and as we’ve shown in the past, pressure through the A-gap is the worst kind of pressure for a quarterback.
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Passing Charts

Again, the visual speaks for itself. Winston has made some of his questionable decisions on throws down the field while Mariota has graded extremely well on passes to the intermediate and deep ranges. The question about the Oregon offense is how many of those throws were made into tight coverage. (click to enlarge)
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Big Throws vs. Risky Throws

It may not be the best way to describe the throws, but the beauty of the PFF grading system is the ability to separate the various types of throws each quarterbacks makes. For lack of better terms, the “big throws” are the highest-graded throws when factoring in difficulty of the throw and ball location while the “risky throws” are those which are deemed as poor decisions or poor enough ball location that they should become turnovers, regardless of whether or not they were intercepted.

The further to the right on the chart, the higher percentage of big-time throws while the higher up on the chart, the lower the percentage of risky throws. We’ve included some NFL comparisons from this year just to show where each quarterback stacks up. The upper right of the chart is the desired area (high percentage of big throws/low risky throws) while the upper left is more of a safe region (think Alex Smith), while the lower right is more of a high risk/high reward region (think Andrew Luck) and the lower left is the worst place to be.

Here’s a look at Mariota and Winston in this context (click to enlarge):
*Important to remember this is just a small percentage of throws and only represent the extreme ends of the grading spectrum. It is a good way to measure the risk/reward nature of a player’s performance.
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Pretty much confirms my thoughts about Winston being overrated.

Mariota comes out of that looking better than I thought he would.
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Pretty much confirms my thoughts about Winston being overrated.

Mariota comes out of that looking better than I thought he would.
Based on the failures we've seen at the QB position in the NFL based on personality types and commitment challenges, I just don't see why any team would invest a high draft pick in Winston and likely waste several years seeing if he can become the franchise player you need at the QB position. I'm not saying that it can't happen with him, but he has far to many signs and indicators that it would be a failed project. I wouldn't touch that guy.
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Still not convinced Mariota is the man? Stubborn.

Him and Teddy have been the best 2 QBS to come out lately.
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The inaugural college football playoff game started as an exciting back-and-forth affair, but Florida State’s turnover-prone second half combined with Oregon’s quick-strike offense made for a runaway effort in favor of the Ducks. Quarterbacks Marcus Mariota and Jameis Winston were the top storyline coming in, – we looked into them in detail here – and they had ups and downs of their own. Mariota overcame a rough start while Winston hung tough while trying to keep Florida State close, but he’ll likely be most remembered for his fumble that led to a touchdown late in the third quarter.

The game was more than the quarterbacks, however, and Oregon’s offensive line deserves credit for a dominant performance. They had their way in the running game and in pass protection and their ability to control the line of scrimmage proved to be the difference in the game.

Oregon moves on to face Ohio State in next week’s national championship game.

Here’s a look at the key performances from the first ever college football playoff game.

Florida State Seminoles – Performances of Note

Jameis Winston, QB: +1.1

Breakdown: Florida State’s second-half collapse had little to do with Winston who played extremely well for the most part aside from a few missed throws and of course the fumble blunder. But even then, the fumble came on fourth down when he was trying to extend a play, so a fumble is not a disastrous outcome (the resulting return for a touchdown is, but that has more to do with the bounce of the ball) and his one interception came on a batted pass that was subsequently dropped. The one pass that should have been intercepted (Q2 6:44) was dropped in the end zone, so perhaps things even out in that area.

Where Winston shined was in his accuracy to the intermediate middle of the field where he did a great job of exploiting some of Oregon’s soft zone coverages. He consistently led his receivers to open grass and showed excellent ball placement on a number of dig and post routes. Whether squeezing it into tight windows as he did at Q1 5:31 or his quick read and release at Q2 7:10 on the post, Winston was at his best when throwing between the hashes.

Signature Plays: On passes thrown in between the numbers (much wider area in college than the NFL), Winston completed 20-of-28 passes for 246 yards and a +2.9 PFF grade.
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Oregon Ducks – Performances of Note

Marcus Mariota, QB: -1.4

Breakdown: It was a shaky outing for Mariota as a passer as he was inaccurate throughout the game and put the ball in harm’s way twice, one of which resulted in an interception. His near-INT at the 10:21 mark of the second quarter was a poor decision as he threw back across his body to the middle of the field but safety Jalen Ramsey was unable to haul in the errant pass. His actual interception at the 0:23 second mark of the second quarter was simply an overthrow on a crossing route that found safety Nate Andrews.

As for the good, ESPN did a nice job of highlighting Mariota’s read on his touchdown at the 6:53 mark of the second quarter as Mariota zipped the pass in between the cornerback and the safety to allow WR Devon Carrington to make a cut and take it 56 yards to the end zone. Mariota then showed his great touch on a 30-yard touchdown to Carrington (Q3 4:29), this time putting the ball in a spot that allowed Carrington to do work after the catch. As usual, Mariota was a weapon on the ground and he topped off Oregon’s impressive effort by beating Casher on the edge for his 23-yard touchdown early in the fourth quarter.

Mariota finished at -2.4 as a passer and +0.9 as a runner.

Signature Stats: Of Mariota’s 338 passing yards, 243 came after the catch (72% of his total). He was 11-of-12 for 76 yards on passes thrown behind the line of scrimmage.
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Think I am glad we have who we have and who we may have.
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Think I am glad we have who we have and who we may have.
You're really content with what the Texans have going on at QB?
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I like both of them. They are different. But I like both.

I'd be happy if we could somehow get either one. I'd trade up for either one.
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If you want my opinion, more pro ready doesn't mean pro ready.

I would have no problem drafting either of these guys 1 & 2. But I would come out like the Jags & straight up tell the world, this guy isn't playing in 2015. If I were Tampa Bay I'd keep McGloin & McCown as my QBs for 2015. If I were Tennessee, Mettenberger & Whitehurst get the whole season.

While Mariota & Winston may very well could have Russell Wilson/RGIII type seasons, I don't think either team is strong enough to support them & start winning now.

Mariota would spend the season running the scout team focusing on mechanics. Winston would spend the season on the scout team focusing on maturity.

Of course, if they blow me away in OTAs & camp, they blow me away in OTAs & camp and I may have to adjust my plans. But from the get go I'd try to alleviate the pressure to start them early, like the Jags did with Bortles.
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If you want my opinion, more pro ready doesn't mean pro ready.

I would have no problem drafting either of these guys 1 & 2. But I would come out like the Jags & straight up tell the world, this guy isn't playing in 2015. If I were Tampa Bay I'd keep McGloin & McCown as my QBs for 2015. If I were Tennessee, Mettenberger & Whitehurst get the whole season.

While Mariota & Winston may very well could have Russell Wilson/RGIII type seasons, I don't think either team is strong enough to support them & start winning now.

Mariota would spend the season running the scout team focusing on mechanics. Winston would spend the season on the scout team focusing on maturity.

Of course, if they blow me away in OTAs & camp, they blow me away in OTAs & camp and I may have to adjust my plans. But from the get go I'd try to alleviate the pressure to start them early, like the Jags did with Bortles.
They are all so different & unique. Depends on each's situation. Teams drafting first, unless your the Texans, usually really suck for a reason. Get what your saying, have to put it into a time capsule then have a safe re-entry but I wouldn't call what happened to Bortles, after all the sit him out year talk then throwing into the Coliseum, exactly a safe entry.

This is my take. Winston is more Pro Ready for a QB starved inefficiently run franchise. Meaning he can cover up a lot of wort's, has size & gamesmanship that are NFL worthy. Mariota is like an ugly duckling, no pun intended, that will evolve into a total wrecking machine in system that utilizes speed, from the offensive line, to backs, TE's & receivers.
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If you want my opinion, more pro ready doesn't mean pro ready.

I would have no problem drafting either of these guys 1 & 2. But I would come out like the Jags & straight up tell the world, this guy isn't playing in 2015. If I were Tampa Bay I'd keep McGloin & McCown as my QBs for 2015. If I were Tennessee, Mettenberger & Whitehurst get the whole season.

While Mariota & Winston may very well could have Russell Wilson/RGIII type seasons, I don't think either team is strong enough to support them & start winning now.

Mariota would spend the season running the scout team focusing on mechanics. Winston would spend the season on the scout team focusing on maturity.

Of course, if they blow me away in OTAs & camp, they blow me away in OTAs & camp and I may have to adjust my plans. But from the get go I'd try to alleviate the pressure to start them early, like the Jags did with Bortles.
Bortles started all but three games.
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Bortles started all but three games.
Right. But just about everyone believed he was going to be redshirted between the draft & his first start. I could be wrong, but there was no pressure to start him, that was a coaching decision (a bad one imo) based on what they saw in him & where they saw their team at that time.

Tampa & Tennessee need to come out with that kind of approach so they can make the decision to start or not to start based on what they see in camp, where they believe there team is, & what their goals are for the year.

Jacksonville's primary focus changed from winning games to developing their QB in week 4. Tampa still had a shot at the play offs in week 12.
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I can sum it up a different way: Mariota will far exceed what Winston does in his NFL career.
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