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Old 05-11-2014   #21
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Whatever anyone's opinion of how this organization actually operates behind the scenes is theirs. But whatever it actually is, their first draft together seems to have been a very good one.
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If these guys pan out, BOB.

If they don't, Rick.

That's how it works 'round this city.
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I think that Clowney is not a OB sort of guy because he obviously isn't known for an intense work ethic which seems to be a hallmark of what our new HC expects in his players, so I'm very happy that it was apparently Smith who prevailed in the decision about the 1.1. I just think worst case scenario Clowney is gonna be our AlDon Smith without the off field problems of the troubled x-Mizzou defender.
But the heart of the Draft (rounds 2 thru 4), were O'Brien's as clearly we haven't seen those kinds of guys in recent Drafts when Kubiak was the HC.
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I think that Clowney is not a OB sort of guy because he obviously isn't known for an intense work ethic which seems to be a hallmark of what our new HC expects in his players, so I'm very happy that it was apparently Smith who prevailed in the decision about the 1.1. I just think worst case scenario Clowney is gonna be our AlDon Smith without the off field problems of the troubled x-Mizzou defender.
But the heart of the Draft (rounds 2 thru 4), were O'Brien's as clearly we haven't seen those kinds of guys in recent Drafts when Kubiak was the HC.


O'Brien has been quoted MULTIPLE times saying the comlete opposite of what you think he thinks about Clowney;LINK

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One of the main concerns clouding Clowney is that he's not a high-motor player on game days. O'Brien said he didn't have those reservations.

"I don't have any concerns about his motor," he said. "There are 90 plays a game in college. You'd be hard-pressed to find a defensive lineman to go like his life's on the line ... He played a lot of plays. He played hard this year. I think when the game was on the line — the Tennessee game, the Georgia game — this guy showed up and made a lot of plays."
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Why can't two guys work together towards a common goal?
Agree. It doesn't have to be "either" "or." They both appeared to have worked well together. That should be enough.

Frankly, I'm so thrilled that Gary Kubiak is no longer here that who ran the draft is of no importance to me.
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Rick and bob.

And romeo and scouts.
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I just think worst case scenario Clowney is gonna be our AlDon Smith without the off field problems of the troubled x-Mizzou defender.
So the worst case scenario is a guy who gets 33.5 sacks his first two years, makes first team all pro his second year, and then doesn't miss 5 games his third season, most likely allowing him double-digit sacks a third year in a row, and who knows what other honors?

What's best case scenario?
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So the worst case scenario is a guy who gets 33.5 sacks his first two years, makes first team all pro his second year, and then doesn't miss 5 games his third season, most likely allowing him double-digit sacks a third year in a row, and who knows what other honors?

What's best case scenario?
LOL. That's what I was thinking. I WANT an Aldon Smith with no off-the-field issues. Bring it on.
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So the worst case scenario is a guy who gets 33.5 sacks his first two years, makes first team all pro his second year, and then doesn't miss 5 games his third season, most likely allowing him double-digit sacks a third year in a row, and who knows what other honors?

What's best case scenario?
I don't expect Clowney to have the kind of incredible production that Smith had in SF his first couple years there, but that doesn't mean he won't play as well as Smith did. We look to have an improved defense, but we aren't the elite level defense that Smiths been surrounded by in SF, not yet at least.
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If these guys pan out, BOB.

If they don't, Rick.

That's how it works 'round this city.
This is a new Texan fan base truth.

You can already see it in the "grades" thread. If somebody loves the pick it must be a BOB pick, and if it's deemed a head scratched its one of Smith's picks.
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im just glad kubiak is gone and we can finally have a no huddle offense.
So we WONT run draw plays on 3rd and long?
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I bet there was a lot of that going on in the war room.
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When did Smith get a brand new scouting department that he didn't select?
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My recollection of Smith's brand new scouting staff was not long after Rick arrived in Houston.

Smith was an assistant GM in Denver under Shanahan w/ Shanahan having final say. Kubiak was hired long before Smith got here and Gary is on record saying he had final say on the 53 man roster. Smith has bascially learned and trained in the position of working FOR a Head Coach.

Not long after BOB was hired, several interviews were done, with some of BOB's mentors and head coaches. The one consistent and constant piece of advice that was reported BOB received was, "Make sure you're in charge". My guess is that is the case with BOB in Houston, he has final say on the 53 man roster. I don't think McNair had any problem giving BOB final say. As for Rick, it was keep calm and carry on.

As for the draft, I think it is Rick and the scouting staff who do the legwork, homework in gathering information and doing all the due diligence on the players from August through January. In January BOB and staff get involved with Rick and scouting staff. However it is BOB who prioritizes the draft and leaves it to Rick to organize and operate the draft. The final say on who the pick will be, comes from BOB and sometimes Bob. I think it may have been O'Brien trusting in his more seasoned DC Romeo Crennel on the Clowney and Nix picks, more so than Rick. ALL IMHO!
I thought this was common knowledge. Did I miss something or read too much into this? Regardless, the linked article would suggest Smith would need to rely more on his coaching staff than normal.
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I thought this was common knowledge. Did I miss something or read too much into this? Regardless, the linked article would suggest Smith would need to rely more on his coaching staff than normal.
Well what Texian was talking about didn't support what you were saying as it was about changes from Casserly to Smith that happened years ago. Your link is about two guys in the PRO department so had nothing to do with the draft which is what I thought we were talking about.
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Well what Texian was talking about didn't support what you were saying as it was about changes from Casserly to Smith that happened years ago. Your link is about two guys in the PRO department so had nothing to do with the draft which is what I thought we were talking about.
So the scout was a pro personnel scout? In that case I read more into it than was there. Oops...I was talking about the draft. I just didn't differentiate between pro and college.
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There is no Rick vs. Bob.

This combination seems to have struck a home run on its first at-bat.

I'm sure there was more to this draft than sending Rick to fetch what Boss BoB told him to go get.

I'm liking what I've seen from this combination, when it comes to personnel moves, so far.
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they still drafted from need positions I think

guard was a major need since wade smith retired

NT was a need so we got NIX


im not surprised we drafted a QB but we reall didn't need to do that IMO not like we are going anywhere dis season with or without savage
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There is no Rick vs. Bob.

This combination seems to have struck a home run on its first at-bat.

I'm sure there was more to this draft than sending Rick to fetch what Boss BoB told him to go get.

I'm liking what I've seen from this combination, when it comes to personnel moves, so far.
Agree. Going back through the draft I'm awed by the patience Rick exercised. 2nd round grade on Nix, one of a handful of true 0-techs in the draft and he waits until the 19th pick to jump ahead of Green Bay and steal him. Packer fans weren't happy.

And getting the QB at the top of your new coach's board at the tail end of the 4th... with the Cards having 3 picks in between and preferring big-armed prospects... I'd have been a nervous wreck.

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