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Old 05-11-2014   #101
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I give a solid A grade! This guys are a bunch of big, tough, smart, hard nose, & most of all OB type guys! Even, some NFL announcers thought we got bigger on both sides! Think "super sized"!
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I thought it was a pretty good draft and I gave it a B because many top needs were addressed. I thought they should have got a higher rated QB and another good offensive lineman instead of focusing so much on defensive tackles and ends.

It remains to be seen whether the free agent draft can cover some of the weak spots.
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Yeah, what he said.

Tom should've sucked it up & stayed on the bench while other more talented prospects played. Like that other Tom, maybe he would have got to play as a senior, get drafted in the sixth round & go on to become one of the greatest to play the game.



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4) Savage - B+

Would've preferred Garoppolo here, as I mentioned, but I was higher on Savage than most and getting him in the bottom of the 4th is good value. Let him sit for the season and see how things shake out draft-wise in 2015 (and because Savage is a late-4th pick, we aren't chained to him if a guy like Hundley or Mariota somehow fall to us). Good pick.
& I would have preferred Sammy Watkins, but the guy was gone. Can't blame our staff because someone picked the guy you preferred earlier.

You gave him a 4th round grade, we got him at the bottom of the 4th... I don't follow your logic.
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I somewhat agree with him , for me the grade on this draft is based off of the top 4 players taken .... the rest don't appear to be special. Don't take that to mean I think they were bad choices or poor players. Its no lock that any of them make the final 53.


Clowney A
Su'a-Filo A
Fiedorowicz C (like the player , not the choice)
Nix A

After that , I wasn't particularly thrilled with any choice. They do appear at first glance to be average to ordinary.


None of those guys from Savage on down blows you away.
I can see where you're coming from. But I give Fiedo a higher grade than C... I wasn't in love with any TE in this draft, because the only ones they talked about were in the OD/GG mold & I wanted Gronk mold.

Of course I listen to you guys & the main stream media, so... I googled the crap out of him when we selected him & he's exactly what I wanted.

Nix... I think an athletic 330 lb man is more rare than a franchise QB. I'd be surprised if he weighs in at 330 or less when he reports to camp, or that he's got the want to & athletic ability to be the guy "we" want him to be. Which is why if we're going to go after a big boy such as this I'd rather do it much later in the draft, or some obscure FA trying to get a second chance. I think we may have wasted this pick all together.

Savage... we're just QB hungry & short of Logan Thomas in the 2nd I don't think RickyBobby could have screwed this up. All they had to do was resist the urge to reach. So regardless what we think about the player, I give them an A+ for not screwing it up.

Someone mentioned earlier that the goal should be 4 starters. I think that's extremely optimistic, especially if we're talking day 1. I think we got three day 1 starters & a couple of guys who may turn into starters by 2015.

I don't know if that's an A, A+, or a B- but I'm happier about this draft than I've been in a while & it seems I'm not alone.
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MEH!! Many of you "B" graders that I've known over the years............ are being contrarians. Y'all know it was a damn good draft! LOL!
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MEH!! Many of you "B" graders that I've known over the years............ are being contrarians. Y'all know it was a damn good draft! LOL!
I gave it an A .... the haul that they came out of the first two days with , no one could have expected going in as Nix was graded as a mid first rounder by most , SuaFilo was thought to be the first guard off the board from the mid first to the tail end of the round. Walking way from day two with those three and a big all around TE .... I'd have told you it would be impossible without trading away future picks..
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1. Jadeveon Clowney, linebacker/end, South Carolina.
33. Xavier Su'a-Filo, guard/tackle, UCLA.
65. C.J. Fiedorowicz, tight end, Iowa.
83. Louis Nix, nose tackle, Notre Dame.
135. Tom Savage, quarterback, Pittsburgh.
177. Jeoffrey Pagan, defensive end, Alabama.
181. Alfred Blue, running back, LSU.
211. Jay Prosch, fullback, Auburn.
216. Dre Hal, cornerback, Vanderbilt.
256. Lonnie Ballentine, safety, Memphis.

Overview: I realize it was just a sixth-round blip on the radar, but the Texans' selection of Auburn lead-blocker Prosch is a strong indication of how this team plans to play until rookie coach Bill O'Brien finds a legitimate quarterback: Houston is going to run the ball with volume and play stout defense. Almost every pick here suits that philosophy. A freakazoid outside pass rusher in Clowney. A two-down toilet clogger in Nix. A hammerhead, lane-clearing fullback in Prosch. A pro-ready blocking tight end in Fiedorowicz. A high-ceiling left guard in Su'a-Filo. Running back depth with Blue. Even Mr. Irrelevant Ballantine is a toolsy safety with starting-caliber measurables. I appreciate teams that pick a defined way to play and make moves in coherent fashion, designing their roster with a purposeful goal in mind. When O'Brien finally finds his signal caller -- and I wouldn't completely rule out big-armed Savage becoming that guy -- this team will ascend quickly.

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I see four day-one starters in this group, plus Prosch, who should be FB1. A lot of that reflects on the lack of talent on the roster, but a lot of it is due to the talent that these players bring to the team. I can't see how this draft is not an A.
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No OL? We drafted Su'a-Filo in the 2nd round. Perhaps you meant OT? I think we have an open competition at RT between Newton and 2 of our O-Line picks last year (David Quessenberry and Brennan Williams). I would be surprised if Newton wins that competition.

LT - Brown
LG - Su'a-Filo
C - Myers
RG - Brooks
RT - Quess / Williams / Newton
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C.

Clowney ... okay, why did the 2nd coming of godzilla only have 3 ... (three) ... 3 ... (three) ... did I say "3" .... sacks last year? If he's truly that great even being double and triple teamed there should have been much more production there. Heck, for all his hype, he should've had 3 sacks in one half of at least ONE game!

I believe the 2 best picks are the UCLA guard and Nix is a good value at his place in the draft.

I have a question ... DID ANYONE TELL THE TEXANS WE NEED AN OT?????
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C.

Clowney ... okay, why did the 2nd coming of godzilla only have 3 ... (three) ... 3 ... (three) ... did I say "3" .... sacks last year? If he's truly that great even being double and triple teamed there should have been much more production there. Heck, for all his hype, he should've had 3 sacks in one half of at least ONE game!

I believe the 2 best picks are the UCLA guard and Nix is a good value at his place in the draft.

I have a question ... DID ANYONE TELL THE TEXANS WE NEED AN OT?????
We don't need tackle evidently; Quess will play RT and don't count out a healthy Newton.

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Kubiak said the Texans expected Quessenberry to be drafted shortly after Williams went in the third round. When he was still there in the sixth, general manager Rick Smith decided to trade up eight spots to get him.

Newton, a seventh-round pick from Arkansas State in 2011, started last season after playing sparingly as a rookie. The Texans also finished 2012 with two rookies rotating at right guard in Ben Jones and Brandon Brooks.

“We played rookies on the right side the majority of the year,” Kubiak said. “That was a big growing situation for us as a football team. I thought Newt did some really good things; he’s gonna be a fine player. Unfortunately gets hurt late in the season and played hurt for us; giving him a lot of credit for that. We gotta get him back. It’s gonna be training camp before he’s healthy.

“The biggest thing you can do when you’ve got young players is give them reps. If they prove they can go in there and do it right off the get-go, that makes us a better team, so we’ll see.”
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I am not really enthralled with this draft. Clowney was a good pick, but I feel like if they had traded up into the bottom of the 1st round for Teddy it would've been a real knockout. I do not like the Fiedorowicz or the Savage picks, and those were fairly high. Clowney, Nix and Hal were the real winning picks for me, and I like XSF but I would've liked to have had Bridgewater more. I also would've taken Murray before Savage because I really like Murray's tape (injury notwithstanding).

So yeah, I voted C. Couple of picks I liked, couple of picks I did not like, and then some guys that need more reading up on.
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If we're celebrating a Superbowl win in February I'll say an A, but for NOW I'll say B. What's pissing me off is this year ALL 32 teams passed up two dynamic homegrown talents which would have improved their rosters by leaps and bounds. (Sigh) I guess me and Bill have to wait until NEXT year. Sorry Bill.

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To me it seems that before everyone had a board. Rick had his, Gary had his, and Wade had a 3rd board and they didn't interlace it into one cohesive board. This time it feels like they all had an agreement and stuck with it. Finally have one leader and not an offensive and defensive coordinator.
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To me it seems that before everyone had a board. Rick had his, Gary had his, and Wade had a 3rd board and they didn't interlace it into one cohesive board. This time it feels like they all had an agreement and stuck with it. Finally have one leader and not an offensive and defensive coordinator.
What's always killed me with previous drafts was that most of the guys that they drafted were guys that weren't on my radar. Like... at all.

And that was OK. I would take a look at each pick, study it a bit, and comprehend the logic for the most part and get behind the pick.

This draft felt very different, more like the JJ Watt draft, where they were drafting at least the positions I expected them to draft but this time, they were also drafting GUYS that were on my radar, on my radar even though I didn't think we'd get them.

I didn't expect Sua'Filo or Nix to make it out of the first round. So, for me, getting Clowney, Sua'Filo, and Nix makes it feel like I got 3 first round picks. Savage had me worried. I was afraid we'd pick him in the 2nd and I didn't want him in the 2nd. In the 4th? Yeah. I'm good with that. And Fiedorowicz was another guy that was on my radar but I didn't expect us to draft. I was aware of Pagan because I'd seen him on some of the mock drafts and I even think I picked him once in the Mock Simulator.

I had Andre Hal on my list of prospects for the TT Mock and if I'd had another later round pick, I might have selected him.

AND I DID pick Chris Boswell (who we got as a UDFA) for the Titans.

It may not matter and this draft may go down as the worst ever, but at this point, I feel great about it because I know these guys and they drafted the positions I'd hoped and expected they would
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right now everything hinges on clowney getting at least 10 sacks and being a consistent disruptor. anything less and this draft is a failure unless all the other picks become great which i doubt.

even the nix pick everyone is so in love about is suspect. from what ive seen i dont understand how they could have drafted him so high. even in his highlight videos he didnt seem to do much.
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Maybe......
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Making fun of your player analysis?

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QB is the most important position on the team.

it was our most glaring weakness.

yet we wait until the 4th round to get a qb who most likely will be a career back up.

if clowney fails or is mediocre and if any of the QBs who got drafted earlier than tom savage become great,

this grade will become an F.


right now everything hinges on clowney getting at least 10 sacks and being a consistent disruptor. anything less and this draft is a failure unless all the other picks become great which i doubt.

even the nix pick everyone is so in love about is suspect. from what ive seen i dont understand how they could have drafted him so high. even in his highlight videos he didnt seem to do much.
What happens when Bill O'Brien proves he knows how to cipher future potential and Savage ends up being the best of the bunch? Not saying it will happen but it has as good a chance as any of the others. Many, if not most, were pointing out leading up to the draft that there just wasn't a stark degree of separation between any of the prospects this draft.

I wasn't so sure about Clowney either. I guess I bought into the "slacker" label. I wanted K. Mack. Personally, I can't wait to be proven wrong and fire up the pit for my serving of crow.

I feel like a few others that have posted that we potentially got 3 first rounders at the top of this draft. I believe the FO did a remarkable job. I don't see any way it in the end will be deemed to have earned an "F".

Looks like you're well on your way to being back in the red. Again. Congrats to ya.
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