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You're right again. Can't think of anyone.
Damn, beat me to it!

But hairlines and looks are the most important thing for a football player, right up there with them having the correct sexual orientation.
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Lebron is balding, so is Luck.
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Just finished watching the game against Florida. While I said he didn`t have any wtf throws the 3 other games I watched, he had 3 in this one. But to his defense, he was severly pressured and sackes often. Still, you can`t make some of these throws.

Still, what I am seeing on tape is really encouraging. Also in the Florida game he had several throws that not many people in the NFL can do. Like 60 yards bombs that hit the receiver in stride.
The buzz is that he got better as the season progressed. I think he said it was 1,024 days of not playing in a real game before he stepped on the field against Florida State. He walked on with no scholarship, learned the offense, won the starting job & started against Florida State.

When you take that into account, that Florida State game doesn't look so bad, but I saw several WTF throws.

Then you look at his stat line against Miami, 24/43 (55%), 281 yards (6.5 ypa), 2 TDs, 1 INT & I'm not seeing the progression people are talking about.

But if you watch the game, not so bad. He's got his mechanics worked out. Holds the ball high on the chest (still lower than the way it's taught) but the draw back & release is perfect & fluid. His feet work the way they're supposed to, in rhythm with his reads, & when he gets to the bottom of his drop, he's made his decision & he's loading up off that back foot.

He's not a dual threat, but he's no Schaub. He moves well on bootlegs & designed roll outs. Throws well on the run.

NFL.com grades him as a backup with a 5.2, but I like his chances to start better than Garoppolo or Manziel since he's already doing things they aren't. Things they'll have to do in the NFL in so much as his footwork/reads/rhythm & going through progressions.

Garoppolo is a Senior & three plus year starter.

I like Manziel, but who knows how well he's going to learn & work inside an offensive system?

I think Savage compares well to Bortles. Bortles definitely has a leg up in that he's put up better numbers & had more success. But Savage is more mechanically sound.

Bortles was on my list of 5. Savage was not & I've been looking at him since his name popped up. I never would have drafted Savage over McCarron, or Murray, or Bortles... but like I said before, I'm not privy to the interviews & that could have made the difference. This kid has been through a lot & he never gave up on football. He's a fast learner. He's just as talented as any QB in this draft, maybe more.

But I'm glad we didn't use a high 4th rounder on him..... expectations are low & we'll see how he do.
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Don't discount good coaching.

Even if savage isn't the guy we want him to be right this second, he can and should get better the longer OB coaches him.

4th round pick. Going to have some warts. Even first rounders do.

If he's not the guy, well, ok. But I'm not going to condemn him just yet.

Wasn't my too choice, but he does have some skills that can be honed/molded. That's about as much as I expect out if a fourth round qb.
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If he can become a serviceable no.2 then the pick will have accomplished its goal. I don't see him becoming a starter.
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This kid has been through a lot & he never gave up on football.
There was a thread a couple of months ago where it was brought up that the QBs that end up doing well are frequently (not always) the ones who've had to fight through some sort of adversity along the way and not the ones who've been successful and the top of the class every step of the way.

One of the things I like about Savage is what you've said here. He's had some ups and downs, he's learned a lot about himself, and he fought through it.

I've got pretty high hopes for him.
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All you can say is that you like Mallett; you can't tell us why he will be better than what we currently got.
When I wanted mallett 3 yrs ago, my reasons were pretty simple: if you're gonna have a slow footed qb, at least have one who can challenge every blade of grass with his arm like mallett. My reason for wanting mallett now vs savage are just as simple. If you want a big guy with a strong arm,mallett speaks the language you're already speaking. Nobody called mallett a project. Mallett, can come in now and understand the plays right now. Its the same as cassell under haley,schaub under kubes. I would rather have that that fitz starting or one of the other guys being 1 play away. Mallett is what, 25?
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Mallett is what, 25?
He'll turn 26 in June
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He'll turn 26 in June
Almost the same age as Savage...
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He'll turn 26 in June
Top that off, brady doesn't even fit the profil for obrien. There is a reason brady almost went undrafted. He didn't have a nfl arm. Even now his arm is just solid,but it never gets exposed until they play a good defense. Brady was never able to throw deep comebacks and flag patterns. That's why they got the te and slot wrs. If you chart brady throws, 85% are inside the hash 6-10 yds away.. Ne led the nfl in yac. That inflated bradys ypa. When it was charted out his throws outside the numbers,15 yds down the field,he completed the fewest in that range. More like bottom 3 among all qbs.

Back to the topic,really in response to 76Texan, I just don't see Savage being anything. Sure he can throw it through a carwash,so what? There are guys from Billie Joe Tolliver to Derek Anderson to John Skelton who could do that. Didn't mean they could play qb in nfl.
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Back to the topic,really in response to 76Texan, I just don't see Savage being anything. Sure he can throw it through a carwash,so what? There are guys from Billie Joe Tolliver to Derek Anderson to John Skelton who could do that. Didn't mean they could play qb in nfl.
So what's the difference between a guy like Billy Joe Tolliver & Aaron Brooks?
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Top that off, brady doesn't even fit the profil for obrien. There is a reason brady almost went undrafted. He didn't have a nfl arm. Even now his arm is just solid,but it never gets exposed until they play a good defense. Brady was never able to throw deep comebacks and flag patterns. That's why they got the te and slot wrs. If you chart brady throws, 85% are inside the hash 6-10 yds away.. Ne led the nfl in yac. That inflated bradys ypa. When it was charted out his throws outside the numbers,15 yds down the field,he completed the fewest in that range. More like bottom 3 among all qbs.

Back to the topic,really in response to 76Texan, I just don't see Savage being anything. Sure he can throw it through a carwash,so what? There are guys from Billie Joe Tolliver to Derek Anderson to John Skelton who could do that. Didn't mean they could play qb in nfl.
I would take on Mallett for a 2015 3rd in a heartbeat and trade Keenum/Yates to the Ravens. What's not to like about Savage? Smart? (Learned a pro style offense on his own, check) Arm Strngth? (Strongest arm in the draft, Check) Movement Skills? (Looks like he navigates the pocket a lot like your boy TB, Ckeck) Accuracy? (Good accuracy from what I saw looking at his you tube film. Check)

What QB not named TB would have been a guy that you would've been on board with as possible QB of the future? The thing about Savage that I like is that after 3yrs away from the game he started out with 6 TD's and 6 int's. Then improved as he got back into the rhythm and the speed of the game. He played behind a terrible OL and still produced. Shocking that Savage would have a bad game in his 1st game in 3 yrs against last yrs Fla St defense.
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Watching this highlight reel, I see a quick release, strong arm and the ability to move and be accurate. I also see some footwork issues (but I'm not that great at judging that) and the tendency to stare down his receiver. I don't see him going through his progressions very much. That worries me.

I also see some throws that are "highlights" but could've been lowlights. Did he make a great throws or get lucky? A lot of them looked like NFL tight coverages, so who knows? My biggest questions are can he read a defense, can he learn to stay in a clean-ish pocket and is he as coachable? After reading his story, I'm sure he'll put in the time to learn the offense and work his tail off to translate it on the field.

Sorry if this has already been brought up. Had a busy weekend and I'm not going to read through 9 pages or so to find out.
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I would take on Mallett for a 2015 3rd in a heartbeat and trade Yates to the Ravens. What's not to like about Savage? Smart? (Learned a pro style offense on his own, check) Arm Strngth? (Strongest arm in the draft, Check) Movement Skills? (Looks like he navigates the pocket a lot like your boy TB, Ckeck) Accuracy? (Good accuracy from what I saw looking at his you tube film. Check)

What QB not named TB would have been a guy that you would've been on board with as possible QB of the future? The thing about Savage that I like is that after 3yrs away from the game he started out with 6 TD's and 6 int's. Then improved as he got back into the rhythm and the speed of the game. He played behind a terrible OL and still produced. Shocking that Savage would have a bad game in his 1st game in 3 yrs against last yrs Fla St defense.
FIFY. There's no way in hell Keenum gets anywhere near a Kubiak team unless he wakes up in the morning and sees Joe Montana in the mirror. Keenum is likely high on the list of why Kubiak lost the team and the owner. Having said that, Kubiak's hardheadedness and inflexibility are the reasons he's no longer coaching the Texans. IMHO, he did the entire organization wrong by not game planning for Keenum's strengths (minus the 1st two games) and insisting Keenum fit "The System".

I've taken a hide and watch approach to this draft. Regardless of my opinion, I approve and support every pick in this draft. In BOB/Smith I trust until proven otherwise.

Savage wasn't in my top 5 or so QB's, but I start and commission power plants for a living, not draft or coach players for an NFL franchise.

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I would take on Mallett for a 2015 3rd in a heartbeat and trade Keenum/Yates to the Ravens. What's not to like about Savage? Smart? (Learned a pro style offense on his own, check) Arm Strngth? (Strongest arm in the draft, Check) Movement Skills? (Looks like he navigates the pocket a lot like your boy TB, Ckeck) Accuracy? (Good accuracy from what I saw looking at his you tube film. Check)

What QB not named TB would have been a guy that you would've been on board with as possible QB of the future? The thing about Savage that I like is that after 3yrs away from the game he started out with 6 TD's and 6 int's. Then improved as he got back into the rhythm and the speed of the game. He played behind a terrible OL and still produced. Shocking that Savage would have a bad game in his 1st game in 3 yrs against last yrs Fla St defense.
Savage accuracy is in the same class as josh freeman. I like his arm,but arm doesn't mae a good qb. Decision making,pinpoint accuracy are probably the 2 most importat traits qbs need to have. As I've said before,what the difference in logan thomas ad savage physically?
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best feet in the class, as well as a huge arm. one of only a couple this year with recognizable pocket presence in spite of constant pressure his senior year. i think these 3 talents - feet, cannon, awareness - make savage the most likely to realize a high potential from this class. i'd in no way put him in as a rookie, and may even wait until his 3rd season to put him into the game if he pans out. his true growth will come on the practice field. learning and accepting what it means to be a leader of men, knowing every nuance of the playbook, and fighting up to earn the job.
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best feet in the class, as well as a huge arm. one of only a couple this year with recognizable pocket presence in spite of constant pressure his senior year. i think these 3 talents - feet, cannon, awareness - make savage the most likely to realize a high potential from this class. i'd in no way put him in as a rookie, and may even wait until his 3rd season to put him into the game if he pans out. his true growth will come on the practice field. learning and accepting what it means to be a leader of men, knowing every nuance of the playbook, and fighting up to earn the job.
If these were the real plans that our team would have then I hope they trade away AJ to a contender and not let him suffer three years of crappy QB play while we wait to see if Savage will be our future franchise QB.
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Savage accuracy is in the same class as josh freeman. I like his arm,but arm doesn't mae a good qb. Decision making,pinpoint accuracy are probably the 2 most importat traits qbs need to have. As I've said before,what the difference in logan thomas ad savage physically?
First, let's put the Freeman issue aside. Freeman is as available next week as he was during the draft. Nothing about the Savage pick eliminates the possibility to go get a veteran. Moreso, Savage is cheaper and more raw than any available veteran- while "raw" seems like a con, I think OB is wanting a guy to develop instead of a guy who has had some success and years of habits that he may first have to break down...

The Logan Thomas and Savage comparison makes sense to me. L Thomas appears to be a better athlete and his arm strength is probably better than Savage's. That being said, I think Savages delivery is quicker and more natural/fluid. The ball comes out of his hand, IMO, naturally. He appears to have all the ingredients of an accurate NFL passer other than the college resume' to prove it.

I am happy with the pick despite the flaws and issues, because I think it is uncommon that an NFL team finds a QB with all of the passing ability Savage has, without significant health issues, and also with character and leadership intangibles needed for sustained success... To me, therefore, the risk/reward for the pick makes total sense.
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Default Re: Selection 4.135: Tom Savage QB

I wouldn`t even call him that raw. He might have the best combination of size, arm strength and accuracy of the whole draft class. He also has nice feet and a nice spidey sense inside the pocket and is tough as nails.

What he needs is experience and a whole lot of learning NFL coverages. He also needs to improve not staring down his receiver and going through reads quicker. And he should improve his presnap reads to cover blitzes. And he definetly needs to work on his play action fakes.

I think he is a typical mid-late round QB that OB wanted. He is a guy that has all the tools you can`t teach. And everything he lacks seems to be teachable. Usually that doesn`t work out. But the few times it does, the QB can turn into something special. And Savage has all the tools to be special.
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