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Old 05-10-2014   #101
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And what exactly did Keenum do this last season that says he is clearly better than Yates? Have one good game where he and AJ connected... but still lost? Took Carr-like 20 yard sacks trying to run away from the blitz? Not be able to make a hot read, which has nothing to do with the play of those around him?

I swear, I get the hometown hero bullcrap, but it's getting to be too much. People are talking about how he needs another shot at starting this coming season because it wasn't "fair" what he was asked to do last year. Well that is where the opportunities lie. When everything has gone to hell in a handbasket. And he wasn't able to do anything with that opportunity. Time to move on. I honestly don't care that it is fair.

Do I think that Yates is a starter? No. Do I think that he will be a much better back-up in this system than Keenum will be? Absolutely.

Size and mobility-wise Savage, Fitzy and Yates are very similar. Obviously OB wants his QB to look a certain way in his system. Keenum is not that QB.
Riddle me this riddle me that at what point did case start taking those 20 yard sacks.

I'll give you a clue, if i may do such. although i dont think it will change your opinion much.

Schaub on the bench, Kubiak itching to put him in. As if he would of actually helped us win.

Kubiak to keenum boy stay it the pocket. No more running around slinging that thing like a rocket.

Keenum so scared of losing his spot. He begins staying in the pocket which isnt tht smart.

So now he's doing what coach kubes wants him to do. With D Newtons protection you'd get sacked too.

So is it his fault that kubiak tried to mold him into something he's not. Do you really feel that case was given a fair shot ?

Simple enough ? Or do i need to elaborate ?
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LMAO..

You are really going to give credit to Yates for that playoff win.. hahaha.. cough ha ha. Wow. I could've suited up under center in that game, would you gave me credit for the win too? Yates was a participant in that game.. nothing else.
Don't recall stating where I thought Yates was a starter in this league. In fact, I actually said that I thought he was a back-up. I'm not defending Yates, and I'm not sure why you think I am. My comments about him were related to Keenum and posters on this site giving their opinions that Keenum is clearly a better QB than Yates. In my personal and humble opinion, of course.
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Riddle me this riddle me that at what point did case start taking those 20 yard sacks.

I'll give you a clue, if i may do such. although i dont think it will change your opinion much.

Schaub on the bench, Kubiak itching to put him in. As if he would of actually helped us win.

Kubiak to keenum boy stay it the pocket. No more running around slinging that thing like a rocket.

Keenum so scared of losing his spot. He begins staying in the pocket which isnt tht smart.

So now he's doing what coach kubes wants him to do. With D Newtons protection you'd get sacked too.

So is it his fault that kubiak tried to mold him into something he's not. Do you really feel that case was given a fair shot ?

Simple enough ? Or do i need to elaborate ?
So it is everyone else's fault that Keenum played so poorly last year?

So give him a coach that is crushing on him, a guarantee that he won't get pulled, a good offensive line. THEN he will do good. Gotcha.

If I can channel Kubes for a moment... Case is a good kid. Don't wish him ill will. But life - and life in the NFL - isn't fair. He got a chance. Couldn't do anything with it. Even if all of it wasn't his fault. He isn't owed anything else.
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this Smith/OBrien organization is operating at another level. They have masterfully constructed this off-season-culminating with an incredible draft that has blended value with need better than any draft I have ever closely followed.
Except we have no idea what the level is, or if it's any higher than Smith/Kubiak, and we can't know for at least 2 years if this was an incredible draft or yet another crap draft by Smith.
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I'm good with Savage at the spot we got him. I'm really liking the Texans entire draft. It is a bunch of big uglies and that is how you build a winner. From the inside out.
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Default Re: Selection 4.135: Tom Savage

Just watched a couple utube vdos (Notre dame, Florida State) . Reminds me of Pick-6 before he got hurt.
Stronger arm, less accurate, can throw the long ball but poor accuracy, seemed to make poor decisions against FloState , Just depends on how he progresses. Just my opinion.
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Pick Analysis: "I think this is a great fit for the Texans. He's got a hose. His arm is any bit as good as Logan Thomas' or Zach Mettenberger's. He took a beating at Pitt, but he continued to stand in the pocket. He's a natural thrower of the football. He's got all the mechanics, so now it's all about developing the kid's ability." -- Mike Mayock
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Except we have no idea what the level is, or if it's any higher than Smith/Kubiak, and we can't know for at least 2 years if this was an incredible draft or yet another crap draft by Smith.
You don't have tomorrow's data available today. Based on the information at hand, this has been an incredible draft. Definitely better than anything we've seen from the Texans in several years.
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You don't have tomorrow's data available today. Based on the information at hand, this has been an incredible draft. Definitely better than anything we've seen from the Texans in several years.
I agree. On paper this is the best draft I've ever seen from the Texans.
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So it is everyone else's fault that Keenum played so poorly last year?

So give him a coach that is crushing on him, a guarantee that he won't get pulled, a good offensive line. THEN he will do good. Gotcha.

If I can channel Kubes for a moment... Case is a good kid. Don't wish him ill will. But life - and life in the NFL - isn't fair. He got a chance. Couldn't do anything with it. Even if all of it wasn't his fault. He isn't owed anything else.
No it is not everybody elses fault, BUT kubiak told keenum to stay in the pocket, the boy started listening to his coach in fear of getting benched and he began taking sacks.

before that he had a 8TD to 1 int ratio, he also led the yard in yards per completion. Not to mention he had no Foster, no O.D a gimpy D. Brown.
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Lol. She's definitely hot, but, let's be real: all QB girlfriend/wives basically look the same - blonde, hot, well-endowed, etc.


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No it is not everybody elses fault, BUT kubiak told keenum to stay in the pocket, the boy started listening to his coach in fear of getting benched and he began taking sacks.

Yep. I'm not a Case Keenum fan, so I have no horse in the debate about his talents, but, it seemed to me that once Kubiak started coaching him, he got worse.

I do think the guy has some potential, though.

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No it is not everybody elses fault, BUT kubiak told keenum to stay in the pocket, the boy started listening to his coach in fear of getting benched and he began taking sacks.
No , he didn't.

In fact , they designed a large portion of plays to get Keenum outside the pocket.


Keenum's failures were largely pre snap. He couldn't recognize pressure and coverage packages and didn't make the proper adjustments to those pressures and coverage's.

Even when teams only rushed four but overloaded from one side or the other , Keenum struggled , just go back and watch the 4th quarter of the KC game or the second half against the Dolts.

Keenum's failures were his own , not the coaching staffs ... No , the OL didn't help him and having UDFA's toting the ball in the running game didn't either but he was as much the problem as they were.
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No , he didn't.

In fact , they designed a large portion of plays to get Keenum outside the pocket.


Keenum's failures were largely pre snap. He couldn't recognize pressure and coverage packages and didn't make the proper adjustments to those pressures and coverage's.

Even when teams only rushed four but overloaded from one side or the other , Keenum struggled , just go back and watch the 4th quarter of the KC game or the second half against the Dolts.

Keenum's failures were his own , not the coaching staffs ... No , the OL didn't help him and having UDFA's toting the ball in the running game didn't either but he was as much the problem as they were.
This. No one is saying he was handed a perfectly healthy and coached team. If that were the case (pun intended), they wouldn't have activated their 3rd string QB. Regardless of the situation, he wasn't able to have results substantial enough to warrant anything other than a roster spot. May not be fair, but it is what it is.

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His history and stats are weak. Better to concentrate on the fact that O'Brien likes him. Savage had a great pro day. I guess that means something around here. I'm just glad it was a late 4th, and not an early 2nd round pick.
Gonna disagree with you; look at stats after being off a year. He just needs good coaching and consistency.

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Savage enrolled at Rutgers University in 2009, and after Rutgers opened the season with a loss to Cincinnati, he was named the starting quarterback. He led the team to a 9-4 record. During his freshman year at Rutgers, Savage passed for 2,211 yards and 14 touchdowns, while throwing only 7 interceptions. In arguably his best game of the year, he completed 14 of 27 passes for a season-high 294 yards and 2 touchdowns against the University of Central Florida in the 2009 St. Petersburg Bowl.[2] He was named on the All-American Freshman Team by the Football Writers Association of America.[3]

In 2010, Savage threw for 521 passing yards, two touchdowns, and three interceptions.[4] Early in the season, he was sidelined by an injury to his hand and replaced with freshman quarterback Chas Dodd. Dodd remained the starting QB based on his performance against Connecticut in his first ever start. On January 8, 2011, Savage announced he would be transferring from Rutgers University.[5] Rutgers granted Savage a conditional release. In February 2011 he announced that he was transferring to Arizona. He would have had to sit out the 2011 season due to NCAA transfer rules but would be eligible to play in 2012.[6]

Late in 2011, Savage announced that he would be leaving Arizona. This move followed the announcement that Arizona had hired Rich Rodriguez as Head Coach. In June Savage announced via his Twitter page that he would be transferring to Pittsburgh where he redshirted in 2012.[7] Savage initially wanted to play at Rutgers again; however a hardship waiver was denied by the NCAA.

On August 14, 2013, Pitt head coach Paul Chryst officially named Savage the starting quarterback for the 2013 season opener against Florida State.[8] For the season he passed for 2,958 yards and 21 touchdowns.

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Strengths:
Strong arm
Pocket presence
Height to see the field well
Ability to spin the ball
Can make all the throws
Can fit the ball into tight windows
Good mechanics
Quick release
Good size, height and bulk
Willing to run
Experience in a pro-style offense
Upside

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Questions about his commitment, intangibles
Must improve his ability to work through progressions
Lacks mobility
Not a true dual-threat quarterback
Raw
Inconsistent
Needs to improve accuracy
Needs to improve footwork
Only played two seasons
Sat out two seasons due to transferring twice
Had a concussion in college

Player Comparison: Chad Henne. If Savage develops, he looks like he could become a better version of Henne (6-4, 230). Both of them are thick pocket passers with the arms to make the necessary throws. They can be inconsistent with accuracy and decision-making. Henne was a second-round pick by Miami, and Savage could easily go on the second day of the 2014 NFL Draft.
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Except we have no idea what the level is, or if it's any higher than Smith/Kubiak, and we can't know for at least 2 years if this was an incredible draft or yet another crap draft by Smith.
We can't assess how this group will turn out. What I'm referring to is the discipline they used sticking with their board, the quality gambles they made (waiting for that group of QBs to drop instead of reaching early), the success in grabbing need positions at high value, and the execution in transitioning the roster into a much more physical one.
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Guys, you seem to be forgetting the best way to assess a QB.

How hot was his GF?

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