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Old 06-03-2014   #461
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I do as well, where he ends up (#2 or #3) is the real question. I personally believe that he's a lock to be the #3 guy. I don't think BoB wants to put him out there unless he has to. Everything BoB has said about him & young qb's in general seems to suggest that.
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Where did practice squad come from?

I doubt Savage will be on the practice squad. I think he'll make the roster. I honestly don't know where he will be slotted on the depth chart, but if he is 3rd on the depth chart (which I think is most likely), he'll be running with the scout team.
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Where did practice squad come from?

I doubt Savage will be on the practice squad. I think he'll make the roster. I honestly don't know where he will be slotted on the depth chart, but if he is 3rd on the depth chart (which I think is most likely), he'll be running with the scout team.
I introduced it and i only brought it up b/c of the talk of them possibly only carrying 2 qbs. If that were to actually be the case, Savage would have a hard time making the roster with 3 other veteran guys in front of him, imo of course.

In that regard the only way for BoB to attempt to keep him would be to stash him on IR or the PS....this is assuming that BoB believe he is in fact the future of this franchise.

But then again, if he truly believed that, I don't think he would try to get away with stashing him on the PS.
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I introduced it and i only brought it up b/c of the talk of them possibly only carrying 2 qbs. If that were to actually be the case, Savage would have a hard time making the roster with 3 other veteran guys in front of him, imo of course.

In that regard the only way for BoB to attempt to keep him would be to stash him on IR or the PS.
Savage almost definitely makes the 53. He'd have to stink it up really bad not to. If he does play horrible, then they'd try to stash him on the PS and not even worry if someone nabbed him.

Fitzpatrick almost definitely makes the 53, as well.

The real questions surround Case and T.J. If one of them really just kills it and Fitzpatrick stinks it up (or is just so far behind the other guys), then Fitzpatrick could be gone. If BOTH Case and T.J. play great, I expect them to keep one of them and try to ship the other one out.
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If I had to guess right now, I'd say that three QB make the roster and they'd be Fitz, Keenum, Savage.

I heard they tried to trade Yates before the draft. I also heard that of the three QB's he's been the lease impressive with his throws so far. I also heard that Fitz arm strength was noticeably weaker than the other QB's.

Take it FWIW.

I think Yates is in an uphill battle to make the roster, but things change when the pads are on...When guys head into pre-season...

I'm not ruling anything out.
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It's nothing personal. I just think you are operating off assumed rules which do not exist. In the absence of evidence to the contrary, my bet is coaches player development decisions are as varied as opinions around here on how it should be done.
Again, not operating under assumed rule.

How much coaching is actually done with the scout team? Are they actually going over their performance in the film room to address mistakes to correct, that kind of thing.
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Well...There's different kinds of coaching...Technique work...Throwing form...Foot placement...Play fakes....

And then there is the coaching a guy up for a specific system...reads, calls and things like that....

I'd imagine that Savage isn't going to be getting as much work as the 1st and second string QB are.

Now, since OB is the type of coach that seems to want his hands on everything I'd imagine he'd make his way over to where Savage is and check him out. If he sees a coaching opportunity..Hey, Tom..."yada, yada, yada"...And then work his way back to the offensive field...

Also, when the coaches watch film, if OB sees Savage dropping his elbow...or taking a bad step...or whatever....He'll see it and mention it to him.

So basically....From my experiences and IMO...Savage will most likely be working on his technique this coming season if he's on scout team...He'll be studying our offense, but he won't get as much first hand work in it making live reads..calling the offense...all the nuances of what we run.

But he will have a playbook...He will watch film. If there is an injury he'll get some reps in practice running our offense...

But...You can and should get better as a player on Scout team. It's going to require a little more self discipline on his part because he's not going to have an offensive coach watching him every second of practice like the other QB's will...IF he is third string/scout team designated QB. So he will have to take some coaching and carry it over when they go 'live' for scout team.

Again...This is just my opinion based on how I've seen it done and from what I know.
This is how I imagined it would be as well. Don't know if it's true, but your opinion shows me I'm not alone.

When people talk about being a project, this is where I think that QB should be. Focus is more on technique & getting him the reps, working on that technique is probably more of the focus on the scout team. I mean who really cares, if a QB missed a read running the scout team? If it's something easy, like a check down vs forcing a pass, sure. But getting his calls right or lining up the team right, or changing protections... (asking the question, not saying it as fact) how much of that kind of correction is going on?

I think Savage is past the technique portion of his training. His mechanics are not flawless, but very close & natural that he's throwing fairly accurate perfect spirals while he's getting hit & falling backwards. Very much like Aaron Rodgers was when he came out. I think, much farther along than Jay Cutler was when he came out.

I think Savage needs to be learning his offense. Learning the reads, the calls, the formations, the protections. Get that stuff on film, & correct it in the film room.

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Isn't that what Tom Brady was doing his rookie year... running the scout team?
& Tom Brady wasn't drafted to be the starter. That's where a lot of people think the difference is with Savage. We (I'm one of them) think we got a steal & OB drafted him to start for this team at some time.

Brady won over the Patriots in Practice. Bledsoe had to be injured before he had an opportunity to play on game day & he took advantage of it.

I think the plan is to get Savage ready for game day sometime in the next two years. I don't think that was the thinking when the Patriots drafted Brady.
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I do as well, where he ends up (#2 or #3) is the real question. I personally believe that he's a lock to be the #3 guy. I don't think BoB wants to put him out there unless he has to. Everything BoB has said about him & young qb's in general seems to suggest that.
There were a few quotes from O'Brien recently (not sure exactly when) that I think were from a visit up to Pennsylvania. Basically said he would be on the scout team and would most likely learn for a year there, anything before the first 8 weeks would be wrong to put him out there to fail... Something along those lines, I can't find a link but they were reading off the quotes on the Blitz today.
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There were a few quotes from O'Brien recently (not sure exactly when) that I think were from a visit up to Pennsylvania. Basically said he would be on the scout team and would most likely learn for a year there, anything before the first 8 weeks would be wrong to put him out there to fail... Something along those lines, I can't find a link but they were reading off the quotes on the Blitz today.
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I think Savage needs to be learning his offense. Learning the reads, the calls, the formations, the protections. Get that stuff on film, & correct it in the film room.
He will be learning that stuff. He just may not be getting a lot of reps doing it in practice. That's what I was trying to explain....If he's running scout team, he's running another team's offense...not ours...But he can still work on things like throwing motion, footwork...ball placement...ect....

He just won't be actively running our offense much in practice...He'll still watch film with the guys though...get mental reps in the film room...see the mistakes...learn our offense....

Really....The starters take almost all of the practice reps. Even the back up QB doesn't get a lot of actual reps. The back ups are normally watching most of that portion of practice when you work against a scout team.
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He will be learning that stuff. He just may not be getting a lot of reps doing it in practice. That's what I was trying to explain....If he's running scout team, he's running another team's offense...not ours...But he can still work on things like throwing motion, footwork...ball placement...ect....

He just won't be actively running our offense much in practice...He'll still watch film with the guys though...get mental reps in the film room...see the mistakes...learn our offense....
I hear you. I understand exactly what you're saying. It'll be like Case. Ran the scout team, worked on his technique. But when it came to running our plays, he couldn't execute it very well.

I know he was taking mental reps. I hoped it would all start clicking after a few games. Never seemed like it did.

I like Savage's mechanics. I know I'm not an NFL coach & my analysis is most likely lacking. But I think we're wasting his time on the scout team.
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Savage sat out 2011 (after transferring to Arizona from Rutgers) and 2012 (after transferring to Pittsburgh from Arizona), and thus was rusty in the early part of last season. Still, he showed outstanding improvement in the second half. He has the ideal size (6-4, 228) for the position and excellent arm strength. What he lacks in athleticism he makes up for with intangibles, including smarts, decision-making and leadership qualities. If he'd gotten on the field more frequently in college, I suspect he'd have been drafted higher. I think he'll outperform veteran Ryan Fitzpatrick and the rest of the quarterbacks in Houston; in fact, it would not surprise me to see Savage become the starter at some point this season, if not by Week 1.
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This is awesome stuff and I hope it happens but if it does then please let it be because he was better than all these guys and not because they all suck so damn much that he was the lesser of "four evils".

Fitz, Case, and TJ are far from world beaters but I think any of the three could be trusted to start an NFL game. If we got a kid in the fourth round who could legitimately beat all of them out for the starting job right out of the gate then that's an epic steal.
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This is awesome stuff and I hope it happens but if it does then please let it be because he was better than all these guys and not because they all suck so damn much that he was the lesser of "four evils".

Fitz, Case, and TJ are far from world beaters but I think any of the three could be trusted to start an NFL game. If we got a kid in the fourth round who could legitimately beat all of them out for the starting job right out of the gate then that's an epic steal.
Good post Herv. I think between the three vets one of them will get the playbook down eventually. I don't have any fantasies about the team coming out ripping off huge chunks through the air right off the bat because of the admittedly "complex" playbook where QB and receiver have to be in synch for the passing game to be viable. Brady has been in this offence for 10+ years and several times during a given season we still see Brady throwing to one spot and the receiver being in another place because each read their "keys" differently. You know, when we see Tommy throw one of his little hissy tantrums because of course, he can never be wrong. There will be times our QBs and receivers will be on different pages, hell, different books wouldn't surprise me until they can build that "thinking the same" mentality. Who knows how long that will take? I hope I'm wrong but I can see it taking the better part of the season, if not into the next.

As to the bolded. The mid to late round QB very seldom pans out. It would be Houston Texans nirvana if that is eventually what unfolds for Tom Savage and the Texans. This kid has a rocket launcher for an arm. I could sit and watch those 40 yard outside the hash lasers all day long and then hit rewind. If I've read and retained the observations/comments referencing what he needs to work on are a few minor mechanical flaws and the mental aspect. As has been discussed regarding any QB, those things can be "fixed". I don't know how deeply ingrained his mechanical deficiencies are but O'Brien is supposed to be one of the best at bringing out the best in young guys.I also know from personal experience that retraining muscle memory can be a long term proposition. In the heat of battle the old memory seems to take over. Here's to hoping it's true and he's successful here. That leaves the part between the ears which according to many folks who know much more than I is the most difficult and what often causes many a Tarzan QB to end up playing like a Jane QB.

If TS does end up being "coachable" and stays "in the playbook" learning to be a "good team mate" how long do the learned folks here expect it to take for QB Savage to correct his flaws that seem to be responsible for his scattergun accuracy and his being able to execute the playbook?
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...If TS does end up being "coachable" and stays "in the playbook" learning to be a "good team mate" how long do [you] expect it to take for QB Savage to correct his [fundamental] flaws...
~100 days to a year.

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~5 to ~16 months.

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