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Old 05-28-2014   #381
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If Montana was playing behind the Texans OL last yr he wouldn't have gotten to his 2-3rd read much less his 5th read.
Disagree, most of those reads were pre snap, unlike the rest of the Houston offense.
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How long's it been since Brady won his last Super Bowl? I know he's won three to Favre's one, but if 14 years mean anything, what does 10 years mean?
Careful... Tom has been back to the "big game" twice since his last SB win. Brett only went back once.
So advantage Brady.
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If Montana was playing behind the Texans OL last yr he wouldn't have gotten to his 2-3rd read much less his 5th read.
Remember that RBs in Walsh's system had to be able to catch. If Montana's 1st or 2nd read was not there, it was time to dump off to the RB. And that possibly could have been done here last season if our RB who could catch and run (Foster) hadn't been down in the back most of the year.
We all know Ben Tate wasn't exactly known for having soft hands.
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If you can get the ball out before they get to you; yes, sure.
The thing is not all things are equal to all QBs,.

Like I said, I'm a Bill Walsh kind of guy, not a Jon Madden guy.
I'm not arguing your point. There are several reasons arm strength is important in addition to the most obvious.
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Careful... Tom has been back to the "big game" twice since his last SB win. Brett only went back once.
So advantage Brady.
Then let me throw out the Manning & Marino examples.

The fact that Bret didn't go in his final 14 years doesn't say as much about him but the team/coaches he played on/for. Winning is a team game, as important as the QB position is, he's not bigger than the team.

As fans, we like to look at the QB, & put him on a pedestal. But Brett won more games than he lost with his gunslinger lack of self discipline.
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Then let me throw out the Manning & Marino examples.

The fact that Bret didn't go in his final 14 years doesn't say as much about him but the team/coaches he played on/for. Winning is a team game, as important as the QB position is, he's not bigger than the team.
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As fans, we like to look at the QB, & put him on a pedestal. But Brett won more games than he lost with his gunslinger lack of self discipline.
That's the media's doing in my opinion. And most of the great, unwashed fan base buys into it hook, line, & sinker.

And give me a tactically sharp, surgically precise QB like Brady, Montana, or Johnny U. over a gunslinger like Favre every day of the year.

Now I like to watch him on the other guy's team because sooner or later he's gonna give my team an opportunity that it probably wouldn't have had otherwise.
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Some interesting thoughts from Patrick Starr (patthestat Twitter) from stateofthetexans.com

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O'Brien's offensive system requires the QB to make throws from inside the pocket to every part of the field. Arm strength is tested.
At first I thought it was Savage he was referring to since everyone in the media is calling his arm a howitzer. But the I read his OTA recap for today:

http://www.stateofthetexans.com/blog...-day-2-review/

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There is no about that T.J. Yates is the forgotten quarterback in this situation, but this offense is better suited for him. He has shown that he can make some NFL throws from the pocket and easily has the second best arm strength of the group behind rookie Tom Savage.

Yates looks much more confident on the field and it is showing with his early two days of work at OTAs. Quarterback coach George Godsey has been working hard with the quarterbacks and there is already a difference in his footwork and delivery of the football. There are some over looking Yates at the moment but he could be one to watch with a clean slate under this new coaching staff
TJ time?
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TJ time?
If Tj wins then it was truly a clean slate open competition. He's played less than Savage in the last 14 months.

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TJ time?
I believe!

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He should've gotten more of an opportunity last year before Case got a look...but stupid ass Kubiak panicked and succumbed to the pressure of the home crowd.

people don't understand how difficult it is to perform well when you're coming off the bench with no 1st team reps all week....in his case, hardly no 1st team reps all year.
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At first I thought it was Savage he was referring to since everyone in the media is calling his arm a howitzer. But the I read his OTA recap for today:

http://www.stateofthetexans.com/blog...-day-2-review/



TJ time?
I follow Starr on Twitter and enjoy reading his comments on practices. That said, he's about as bias as you can get when it comes to reporting anything Texans.

Just piggy-backin on your post due to mentioning Pat.
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Watching pass skelly late in practice with soon-to-be Texans Radio gameday colleagues Marc Vandermeer and Andre Ware, the former Heisman winner and I made a similar observation when rookie quarterback Tom Savage got his reps.

The ball didn’t hit the ground. Literally.

Andre noted how comfortable the former Pitt star was making his reads and going through his progressions. If that drill was a pop quiz, so to speak, he passed that portion with flying colors. There was no pass rush and it was just pass skelly, but he looked very much at ease finding open receivers and slinging the rock. Then, he completed each throw. This quarterback battle is just as wide open as Bill O’Brien said on Tuesday and Savage won’t sit idly by the next few months.
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At first I thought it was Savage he was referring to since everyone in the media is calling his arm a howitzer. But the I read his OTA recap for today:

http://www.stateofthetexans.com/blog...-day-2-review/



TJ time?
In reality, I don't care whose time it is, as long as they win games for us.

Everyone here has their favorite, and mine's not TJ. But I also don't think anyone here really cares as long as the team is successful.
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I'm going to laugh my ass off if TJ Yates gets the starting job.

I doubt it happens, though. I think Savage will ultimately be the guy.

I might chuckle a little, though, if Yates gets the no. 2 spot.
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I'm going to laugh my ass off if TJ Yates gets the starting job.

I doubt it happens, though. I think Savage will ultimately be the guy.

I might chuckle a little, though, if Yates gets the no. 2 spot.
Everything that people see at practice is different.

I am not as high on TJ in this offense as Pat is.

Though I knew of Savage's good and bad tape before he got here, it really is stunning how great his arm is. Just throws a gorgeous, effortless ball.

If they can coach him up, it should would be pretty. But he is behind right now just playbook wise. Hopefully will be able to catch up a ton by training camp.
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He should've gotten more of an opportunity last year before Case got a look...but stupid ass Kubiak panicked and succumbed to the pressure of the home crowd.
I don't think the pressure of the home crowd influenced his decision as much as the pressure from the owner.
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I don't think the pressure of the home crowd influenced his decision as much as the pressure from the owner.

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All the QBs seem to like the offense and each have positives so preseason should give us some idea of what they have learned. That is long time to wait.
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Then let me throw out the Manning & Marino examples.

The fact that Bret didn't go in his final 14 years doesn't say as much about him but the team/coaches he played on/for. Winning is a team game, as important as the QB position is, he's not bigger than the team.

As fans, we like to look at the QB, & put him on a pedestal. But Brett won more games than he lost with his gunslinger lack of self discipline.
Favre cost his team much more than Manning or Marino ever did. I'm not a Favre fan though, so I'm sure I'm biased.
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