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Old 05-12-2014   #201
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610 radio reported today that O'Brien said they will work with Savage to develop "what we call silent alarm" so he understands when to get rid of the ball.
With spidey sense I meant he notices it when a defender is very close to tackling him and he spins out of harms way. The silent alarm is, at least in my opinion, an internal clock that tells you: it`s about time to throw or a defender will get too close to you.
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Been watching Savage cut-ups.

He definitely has a arm far superior to anyone that we have had in Houston since Carr left.

All his throws look effortless.

He seems to be able to manage and offense and make adjustments.

Does ok working through progressions and placing the ball in good spots.

May tend to throw a bit high at times, which might work well with Hopkins.

Calm under pressure.

More mobile than you think, an upgrade of Schuab for sure.

I'm quietly optimistic.

I am looking forward to some bombs being thrown this year.
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Meltzer did a video breakdown. Not the greatest breakdown, but something to talk about.
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I’ve always believed that the most important attribute of a quarterback is accuracy, and putting the football in the right spots. Savage’s general summary (tall, big-arm) may indicate someone who struggles in this department. I was actually consistently impressed with his ability to hit WRs, TEs, and RBs within 5 yards or even behind the line of scrimmage. Savage usually gave his weapons a chance to run with the football after the catch.
I haven't watched a video yet, but the bolded really jumped out at me. Is that really something to be impressed by? Those should be pretty much a given for a drafted QB.

That last clip clearly showed what a quick release he has, a pretty dang good arm and very good accuracy on the deep ball. He had a clean pocket but also just a 4 man rush.

All in all, I'm good with the Texans draft. I'm glad they didn't reach on a QB out of desperation. This looks like a BPA draft for the most part. Maybe a reach with Fido, but other than that, I don't see one.

How Savage develops will go a long way as far as BO'Bs QB "guru" status goes. Can he take a kid with all the physical tools and teach him how to read a defense quickly and correctly? I have no real idea if that can be taught.
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I haven't watched a video yet, but the bolded really jumped out at me. Is that really something to be impressed by? Those should be pretty much a given for a drafted QB.
I heard him saying something similar on the radio, "under duress" was part of the on air comment. He was impressed with Savage's accuracy while getting hit. The first video (I think) illustrates as much, so I have to imagine that's what he meant to say there.
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I heard him saying something similar on the radio, "under duress" was part of the on air comment. He was impressed with Savage's accuracy while getting hit. The first video (I think) illustrates as much, so I have to imagine that's what he meant to say there.
His youtube highlight reels are inconclusive to THIS QB expert. I can't decide if he make good throws into tight windows or got lucky with a bad decision. I really don't trust his ability to read a defense ( my biggest worry).
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His youtube highlight reels are inconclusive to THIS QB expert. I can't decide if he make good throws into tight windows or got lucky with a bad decision. I really don't trust his ability to read a defense ( my biggest worry).
I don't think any college kid comes out of the NFL knowing how to read NFL defenses as well as we like to think.

"Bridgewater can read defenses like a mutha..." well, those weren't "NFL" defenses. Just like there are college offenses & pro offenses, most college deffenses aren't "pro style" and most college defenses don't have near the talent an NFL defense has, so windows don't close as fast, you don't have to throw as high to get over the second level, & so one & so forth.

Alabama with Nick Saban runs a "pro defense" but Johnny Football tore that sht up.... not because he could read them, but because he could break it down.

Even Peyton Manning and Tom Brady had to learn to read NFL defenses.

That said... I think OB has a good way of teaching how to read defenses as it relates to his system & New England has a system that is QB friendly.

I also realize I am way to "excited" about this QB.
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His youtube highlight reels are inconclusive to THIS QB expert. I can't decide if he make good throws into tight windows or got lucky with a bad decision. I really don't trust his ability to read a defense ( my biggest worry).
I think TK has this dead-on. No college QB really comes into the NFL knowing how to correctly read an NFL defense. They all have to learn it; some are just at a worse starting point and lack some things.

Now. Think about this.

Savage spent 1000 days NOT playing football. He went to a new school ( a couple) and was given a playbook. He learned the playbook on his own and came into practice and won the starting job. The WORST film we have on him is his first game after that break. But my point is that he taught himself that offense.

One of the things OB likes about him is that he thinks Savage is smart and "teachable." And a lot of why OB thinks that may have come from the private workouts. I've heard several guys say that both Accuracy and Reads are tied to the footwork and if you can clean up a guy's footwork and teach them how to go through their progressions and get their feet set, a lot of things smooth out.

For me, Savage's biggest problem is staring down his receivers but again, that's something that could be fixed by just teaching him how to properly go through his progressions. If he can get that... and it's a big if... he's got the physical tools to be really good.
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Now. Think about this.

Savage spent 1000 days NOT playing football.
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“If you look at the first four games, I probably threw six picks,” Savage said. “In the last eight or nine games, I threw two or three. The game slowed down for me and I think it just came with getting out there and getting the experience. Just going out there and playing; the game will slow down for you. I am just excited to continue my progress as a quarterback and continue to learn the game.”
I still can't help but get excited about this kid. It was mentioned earlier, that Boyd was thought of as a late 1st rounder this time last year. Now, a year later he goes at the top of the sixth.

I imagine if Savage had another year to play, he would be thought have a first round grade. I think we got real lucky on this one & we have O'Brien's college experience to thank for it. Kind funny really. I thought Bortles' rating shot through the roof because of his associations with OB... he played him in 2013, he was coached by a mentor of O'Briens. who'd have thunk there was another one out there OB had his eyes on?

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Just imagine we might see our QB tucking & running to keep the chains moving in the future.
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I still can't help but get excited about this kid. It was mentioned earlier, that Boyd was thought of as a late 1st rounder this time last year. Now, a year later he goes at the top of the sixth.

I imagine if Savage had another year to play, he would be thought have a first round grade. I think we got real lucky on this one & we have O'Brien's college experience to thank for it. Kind funny really. I thought Bortles' rating shot through the roof because of his associations with OB... he played him in 2013, he was coached by a mentor of O'Briens. who'd have thunk there was another one out there OB had his eyes on?



But still got better as the year progressed.



Just imagine we might see our QB tucking & running to keep the chains moving in the future.
As long as he doesn't have to face a defense like that of Fla. St., he'll be fine.
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As long as he doesn't have to face a defense like that of Fla. St., he'll be fine.
The Florida state game is the reason for hope. Watch that game then watch him play later in the season. He improved a great deal after shaking off the rust. Nobody believes he is ready to start now, but there is reason to believe he will continue to mature as a QB.
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As long as he doesn't have to face a defense like that of Fla. St., he'll be fine.
You know, I really missed you leading up to the draft. We were bickering back & forth about Bridgewater, Bortles, Manziel, & McCarron.... okay, I was the only one talking about McCarron.

I thought you did a good job analyzing the QBs in the 2012 draft & I wanted to hear your take on this crop.


But now, seems like you don't like anyone who threatens Keenum, so I guess I can fill in the blanks. But I will say this.

I don't hate Keenum. Regardless where he plays, I'll be rooting for him to succeed just like I root for Vince, Kolb, McGee, Tanehill, Griffin, Dustin Vaughn & several other signal callers that originated in the great state of Texas. But even more so for Case since he wears Battle Red, Liberty White, & Cold Steel Blue on game day.

I'd like nothing more than for Case to lead this team to it's first Super Bowl, and several Lombardies. But I'm not going to hold my breath. But he's a grown man & a professional athlete & his future on this team has a whole lot more to do with what he does than what I say on an internet message board. So whether he's my favorite going forward, or at the bottom of my list it makes no difference.

If OB is the man we need him to be, there will be an open competition for the starting QB spot this summer & if Case is the man you think he is, he'll win the job. To tell you the truth, I think the fix is in & McNair ensured Case has the inside track to that starting job.

But if I'm wrong..... I'm wrong. I can see the good in all the QBs on our roster. I just hope OB can maximize their potential, put the best one on the field, & get this club to the Super Bowl.
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You know, I really missed you leading up to the draft. We were bickering back & forth about Bridgewater, Bortles, Manziel, & McCarron.... okay, I was the only one talking about McCarron.

I thought you did a good job analyzing the QBs in the 2012 draft & I wanted to hear your take on this crop.


But now, seems like you don't like anyone who threatens Keenum, so I guess I can fill in the blanks. But I will say this.

I don't hate Keenum. Regardless where he plays, I'll be rooting for him to succeed just like I root for Vince, Kolb, McGee, Tanehill, Griffin, Dustin Vaughn & several other signal callers that originated in the great state of Texas. But even more so for Case since he wears Battle Red, Liberty White, & Cold Steel Blue on game day.

I'd like nothing more than for Case to lead this team to it's first Super Bowl, and several Lombardies. But I'm not going to hold my breath. But he's a grown man & a professional athlete & his future on this team has a whole lot more to do with what he does than what I say on an internet message board. So whether he's my favorite going forward, or at the bottom of my list it makes no difference.

If OB is the man we need him to be, there will be an open competition for the starting QB spot this summer & if Case is the man you think he is, he'll win the job. To tell you the truth, I think the fix is in & McNair ensured Case has the inside track to that starting job.

But if I'm wrong..... I'm wrong. I can see the good in all the QBs on our roster. I just hope OB can maximize their potential, put the best one on the field, & get this club to the Super Bowl.
I do like the potential of Savage and Bortles.
I'm good with JFF at 2.1
Savage in the fourth is great, but to me, he needs some work.

I like next year crop better.
I've watched some of them, like our draftnik do.
In fact, I've been re-watch them the last few days.
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Jaguars may finally got their franchise QB but they over paid in the process doing it while Texans acquired Savage for fair value. Something to be said for each franchise, however Clowney is far more immediate impact & it's not out of the question Savage could develop as fast, even faster, into a franchise QB.
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I want to see the Texans in a Super Bowl victory parade in downtown Houston. Who we celebrate as our winning quarterback makes no difference to me whatsoever. I would go crazy happy if it was Keenum, but even if it's Putin draped in a Soviet flag I still cheer for the winning QB no matter who he is.

Savage is like every other QB in this years draft, not a damn one of them was worth the 1.1 pick, and who you pick is a matter of fitting into the coaches system. Besides, Savage has a cool name and is big and tall and strong. For now, that's good enough for me. We all know Fitzybeard will be starting game one anyway. Who's left standing at starting QB by game 16 this year is anyone's guess.
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You know, I really missed you leading up to the draft. We were bickering back & forth about Bridgewater, Bortles, Manziel, & McCarron.... okay, I was the only one talking about McCarron.

I thought you did a good job analyzing the QBs in the 2012 draft & I wanted to hear your take on this crop.


But now, seems like you don't like anyone who threatens Keenum, so I guess I can fill in the blanks. But I will say this.

I don't hate Keenum. Regardless where he plays, I'll be rooting for him to succeed just like I root for Vince, Kolb, McGee, Tanehill, Griffin, Dustin Vaughn & several other signal callers that originated in the great state of Texas. But even more so for Case since he wears Battle Red, Liberty White, & Cold Steel Blue on game day.

I'd like nothing more than for Case to lead this team to it's first Super Bowl, and several Lombardies. But I'm not going to hold my breath. But he's a grown man & a professional athlete & his future on this team has a whole lot more to do with what he does than what I say on an internet message board. So whether he's my favorite going forward, or at the bottom of my list it makes no difference.

If OB is the man we need him to be, there will be an open competition for the starting QB spot this summer & if Case is the man you think he is, he'll win the job. To tell you the truth, I think the fix is in & McNair ensured Case has the inside track to that starting job.

But if I'm wrong..... I'm wrong. I can see the good in all the QBs on our roster. I just hope OB can maximize their potential, put the best one on the field, & get this club to the Super Bowl.
Wait, didn't you at one point say you would take AJ McCarron with the first pick in the draft? Where did he go again? And I'm now supposed to believe in your ability to assess the fate of Savage and Keenum?
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I like next year crop better.
I've watched some of them, like our draftnik do.
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Give me some sleepy guys to look out for, 76T.

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Default Re: Selection 4.135: Tom Savage QB

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I imagine if Savage had another year to play, he would be thought have a first round grade.
That is what I'm excited about with Savage. He was obviously punished for his lack of football at college in his draft positioning. There are seldom few QBs out of college who are really ready for the NFL on day one, regardless of what round they are picked in. I see this specific draft pick as similar to the Lattimore pickup last year by the 49ers - where there is a great deal of unknown (obviously differences coming off of injury vs. a low amount of college gametime/continuity) - but you can tuck them away for a year with little pressure on the player, and see if you can end up with talent in year 2 that would be worthy of a 1st/2nd rounder.

I'm really looking forward to the 2015 preseason to see exactly what we have with Savage once he's had a season of NFL coaching under OB.

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Just imagine we might see our QB tucking & running to keep the chains moving in the future.
He reminds me of Roethlisberger in some ways - one of which is in what I've seen in his running style. He obviously isn't going to be a guy who they're going to call plays to outsprint someone, but he has that same kind of awkward but effective mobility for a bigger framed guy that can make the first guy miss and pickup a few yards in short yardage situations especially.

That said, obviously any QB who can post a positive gain is going to look like Adrian Peterson to us after watching Schaub play for the last few years.
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Default Re: Selection 4.135: Tom Savage QB

I like his stats 2013 after basically sitting out two seasons and going thru coaching changes. Give him some consistent good coaching & he could be really good.
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