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No QB and I'm not even the least bit upset

Corrosion

Corrosion

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No QB in the first 4 picks , biggest hole on the roster still to be filled .... and I'm thrilled with the first 4 picks.

Clowney - Best player in the draft.

Su'a-Filo - Best interior OL in the draft.

Fiedorowicz - Wasn't thrilled with the pick but do like the player a lot. Probably would have gone RT here (Morgan Moses was the next pick off the board).

Nix - Finally , this team hasn't had a big nasty NT since Seth Payne. First round talent in the middle of the 3rd round.

Purely on talent , this might be the best draft in the history of the franchise .... even if they didn't fill the biggest need.


Watt , Nix , Clowney , Mercilus & Cushing ..... QB's have to be concerned.
 
Am I the only one not completely giving up on Keenum at this point? I mean it's an outside shot I know.
 
Corrosion said:
No QB in the first 4 picks , biggest hole on the roster still to be filled .... and I'm thrilled with the first 4 picks.

Clowney - Best player in the draft.

Su'a-Filo - Best interior OL in the draft.

Fiedorowicz - Wasn't thrilled with the pick but do like the player a lot. Probably would have gone RT here (Morgan Moses was the next pick off the board).

Nix - Finally , this team hasn't had a big nasty NT since Seth Payne. First round talent in the middle of the 3rd round.

Purely on talent , this might be the best draft in the history of the franchise .... even if they didn't fill the biggest need.


Watt , Nix , Clowney , Mercilus & Cushing ..... QB's have to be concerned.
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I have to admit I was livid when N.E. picked Garoppolo and we countered with a TE. Then we drafted Nix and all was well.

Our QB is in next years draft. Looking like Fitz is our guy for 2014.
 
The only player on either side of the ball that impacts every single play while his unit is on the field. You can have the greatest supporting cast in the NFL and still be irrelevant without a competent signal caller.

I love the picks we've made. If we had anyone other than Yates, Keenum, and Fitzpatrick right now I'd be thinking a deep run. Even Schaub.

But as it is, we ditched our safety net pre-draft with the obvious intention of filling that hole and so far we've missed on the only players with legitimate starting potential. That means Fitzpatrick or Keenum are likely our starter for 2014 and while this may bode well for 2015 or 2016 it means this year is basically a wash. That's depressing. I'm the least bit upset, even though I understand the plan
 
Vance87 said:
Am I the only one not completely giving up on Keenum at this point? I mean it's an outside shot I know.
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Nah, I think there is still a fringe movement for Keenum on the board.

Hey, if he can win for us, good for him. I don't think he's the guy though.
 
Corrosion said:
No QB in the first 4 picks , biggest hole on the roster still to be filled .... and I'm thrilled with the first 4 picks.

Clowney - Best player in the draft.

Su'a-Filo - Best interior OL in the draft.

Fiedorowicz - Wasn't thrilled with the pick but do like the player a lot. Probably would have gone RT here (Morgan Moses was the next pick off the board).

Nix - Finally , this team hasn't had a big nasty NT since Seth Payne. First round talent in the middle of the 3rd round.

Purely on talent , this might be the best draft in the history of the franchise .... even if they didn't fill the biggest need.


Watt , Nix , Clowney , Mercilus & Cushing ..... QB's have to be concerned.
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The Texans may already have their RT in Quessenberry or Williams. If healthy, one of these guys starts over Newton
 
As soon as Minnesota jumped in front of us for Bridgewater I gave up on QB. Love all 4 picks so far. 4 week one starters IMO and they all play on the LOS.
 
Vance87 said:
Am I the only one not completely giving up on Keenum at this point? I mean it's an outside shot I know.
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You are not the only one but you are in the minority. Unless Keenum suddenly stopped panicking at the first sign of a blitz, and or, stopped running backwards 20 yards for a sack ala David Carr, Keenum is not the guy. There are reasons he went undrafted.
 
WolverineFan said:
As soon as Minnesota jumped in front of us for Bridgewater I gave up on QB. Love all 4 picks so far. 4 week one starters IMO and they all play on the LOS.
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Yep, same. Ignoring that glaring hole at QB, this draft just straight up redeemed itself for me. Love the Sua Filo, Fiedorowicz and Nix picks.
 
The true philosophy of the Texans has always been patience, strength in the trenches, and building slowly through the draft.
Because of that, we've always been "a year away"

Everyone who says our QB will be there in 2015 is the perfect Texans fan. "We are built for the long haul and will be contenders in just a few years."

I can see the excuses for passing all the QBs in next year's draft as well. "You don't force a need pick. You take BPA. We need more defensive lineman."

Sometimes you ignore needs and take the best player at the position. When your need is the most important player on the team, it's hard to see how that strategy is going to lead to success in the immediate future
 
gtexan02 said:
The true philosophy of the Texans has always been patience, strength in the trenches, and building slowly through the draft.
Because of that, we've always been "a year away"

Everyone who says our QB will be there in 2015 is the perfect Texans fan. "We are built for the long haul and will be contenders in just a few years."

I can see the excuses for passing all the QBs in next year's draft as well. "You don't force a need pick. You take BPA. We need more defensive lineman."
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I'm like 99% sure this will happen, but I'll give Bill O'Brien some time to find his QB. He deserves the benefit of the doubt after all the leash Kubiak got.
 
Is Mccarron or savage on the board? I concur. Great talent taken at value positions. We got the best talent possible, we upgraded the nasty in our line, we finally got the beef on our dl, we added dramatic talent to our olb core. I'm happy. I have resorvations about Fido but we'll see how he's used. Happy overall.
 
gtexan02 said:
The only player on either side of the ball that impacts every single play while his unit is on the field. You can have the greatest supporting cast in the NFL and still be irrelevant without a competent signal caller.

I love the picks we've made. If we had anyone other than Yates, Keenum, and Fitzpatrick right now I'd be thinking a deep run. Even Schaub.

But as it is, we ditched our safety net pre-draft with the obvious intention of filling that hole and so far we've missed on the only players with legitimate starting potential. That means Fitzpatrick or Keenum are likely our starter for 2014 and while this may bode well for 2015 or 2016 it means this year is basically a wash. That's depressing. I'm the least bit upset, even though I understand the plan
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Rob Johnson and Trent Dilfer have SB rings cus they had a badass defense. Maybe the Texans are putting together a badass defense.
 
Are we giving up on O'Brien being a QB maker or is it the quality of what he has so far to work with?
 
texanred said:
Rod johnson and trent dilfer have sb rings cus they had a badass defense. Maybe the texans are putting together a badass defense.
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did you mean Brad Johnson, the TB Qb back with Gruden? I agree and said after the SB this year, if your QB is sub par to good, develop a smothering defense to balance that out...


That's what Seattle did...
 
powda said:
Has it really?

Sincerly,
Russel Wilson
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Yes it has...

Russell Wilson is a phenomenal QB. Do you watch football?
If not, have you seen his stats?
3400 yards, 26 TDs only 9 INTs. A 64% completion percentage. 8+ YPA and a 100+ Qb rating.

That is in addition to 500+ rushing yards a handfull of rushing TDs
 
Vance87 said:
Am I the only one not completely giving up on Keenum at this point? I mean it's an outside shot I know.
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I'm not either. I think fans let emotions cloud their judgment on him. He played ... what? 9 games? On a dysfunctional team? He showed some good stuff. He showed some deficiencies. He doesn't make any money. So the question is - what does BO'B think of him, and how much of a chance does he give him? Now that there isn't a 1st round QB in there battling for the job, I get the impression that there will be an actual competition, and I am 100% happy with that. Whoever wins the job will have won it and not just played because they were drafted in the first round. Personally, I'm hoping for Aaron Murray, and then I hope the best man wins. If Keenum is as tenacious as I think he is, he'll get another shot. What he does with it ... who knows? But I want whoever ends up the starter to have WON THE POSITION, not be appointed like what Kubiak kept doing.

And as I said last year, if you drafted a QB, you wouldn't give him 9 or 10 games and then make your final declaration. Like it or not, QBs have to grow into the position a little. So we'll see.
 
gtexan02 said:
Yes it has...

Russell Wilson is a phenomenal QB. Do you watch football?
If not, have you seen his stats?
3400 yards, 26 TDs only 9 INTs. A 64% completion percentage. 8+ YPA and a 100+ Qb rating.

That is in addition to 500+ rushing yards a whole bunch of rushing TDs
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Really? So forget what the hawks did to what I consider the best QB all time. Sure thing.

The stats you quote dont really make your point. They look efficient and average.
 
mussop said:
Seattle San Francisco and Baltimore??????
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Kaepernick runs the pistol and averages 500+ rush yards a season
Russell Wilson is an amazing QB. Watch him play and then compare him to Trent Dilfer.
Flacco may be overrated but he's incredible in the playoffs. He doesn't "game manage" when it counts. He's a huge part of that teams success
 
gtexan02 said:
The true philosophy of the Texans has always been patience, strength in the trenches, and building slowly through the draft.
Because of that, we've always been "a year away"

Everyone who says our QB will be there in 2015 is the perfect Texans fan. "We are built for the long haul and will be contenders in just a few years."

I can see the excuses for passing all the QBs in next year's draft as well. "You don't force a need pick. You take BPA. We need more defensive lineman."

Sometimes you ignore needs and take the best player at the position. When your need is the most important player on the team, it's hard to see how that strategy is going to lead to success in the immediate future
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Oh I understand your frustration .... But , most of us were not all that thrilled with the QB talent in this draft to begin with. Remember this thread ?? 2014 QB Class Not That Great .

I think taking any of those QB's 1:1 would have been a serious reach. We were picking them apart and still talking about forcing the position .... I'm glad we didn't.

I wouldn't take Bridgewater over Su'a-Filo either. That was a much needed upgrade.

Garappolo was gone when they came up in the 3rd , and I wouldn't have taken a QB there. I would have taken Nix or one of the two remaining OT's I have highly rated in Moses or Richardson - Not a QB.


Moving up to get Nix with the 19th pick in the 3rd round ..... the dude has first round talent , great move , wasn't a QB I'd have taken there.


No QB ?? ..... No Problem.

One of the three on the roster gets run out there. With the front seven they have constructed , that QB doesn't have to win the game , he just has to avoid making mistakes that lose it.
Find another corner with this comp pick @ 4:35 then a DE for depth .... they still have moves to make in FA.


Sh!t this team may surprise the hell out of us and make the playoffs .... with one of the QB's already on the roster. They made significant upgrades to crucial positions.
 
Tom Brady and Payton Manning have one thing in common - they've both lost multiple Super Bowls to strong defensive teams.
 
powda said:
Really? So forget what the hawks did to what I consider the best QB all time. Sure thing.

The stats you quote dont really make your point. They look efficient and average.
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You mean his passing yards? Russell Wilson is a top 5 QB in yards per attempt. He would have hit 5400 if he passed as often as Peyton did.

26 TDs puts him at top 10 in the NFL. Again, with about 100-200 less attempts than most of the other 10

500 rushing yards makes him elite mobility wise.

His QB rating puts him 7th.

If you don't believe he's an above average QB I don't believe you've ever seen him play. Honestly, have you watched him?
 
gtexan02 said:
The true philosophy of the Texans has always been patience, strength in the trenches, and building slowly through the draft.
Because of that, we've always been "a year away"

Everyone who says our QB will be there in 2015 is the perfect Texans fan. "We are built for the long haul and will be contenders in just a few years."

I can see the excuses for passing all the QBs in next year's draft as well. "You don't force a need pick. You take BPA. We need more defensive lineman."

Sometimes you ignore needs and take the best player at the position. When your need is the most important player on the team, it's hard to see how that strategy is going to lead to success in the immediate future
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Or maybe this current staff just feels like this QB class isn't worth reaching for..after all whoever they hitch their wagon to gets to decide if they get a extension or kicked out the back door. What you described is what the Jags have done over the last decade and it hasn't worked out. There wasn't a "no brainer" franchise QB in this draft (Not much of a drop off through the first 3 or 4 rounds) so I have no problem with them maximizing the value of their picks while being patient regarding the biggest decision that faces this team.
 
Honestly I don't think Quarterback was the big issue last year. It was the coaching and the team as a whole. Right now OB and his crew are brining in talent to help the team overall. We are beefing up both sides of the line which weren't so great besides a couple of players (Watt, Duane).

Keenum has talent and I think OB see's it. There is no way, and I mean no way does OB plan on starting his first year as a coach with Fitz as Qb. Keenum did all he could last year to help us compete but the whole team just gave up. He literally had ZERO time to throw. Yes, I know he was terrible at reading the blitz but give him a year under OB, the Qb guru, and he will show signs of improvement.

So far our O line seems solid. Duane, Filo, myers, brooks, Ques. We have the pieces on offense for Keenum to succeed. To me, Keenum reminds me alot of Russell Wilson. He might not have Russell's athleticism but he has the ability to avoid pressure. And with a front seven of Watt, Clowney, cush, Nix...our Defense looks scary.

Seatle South? Lets see what happens..

P.S- I know I sound like a Keenum fanboy but I'm really not. I just want the best for the Texans and whoever can help us win Im down for it. Just saying with I think.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Or maybe this current staff just feels like this QB class isn't worth reaching for..after all whoever they hitch their wagon to gets to decide if they get a extension or kicked out the back door. What you described is what the Jags have done over the last decade and it hasn't worked out. There wasn't a "no brainer" franchise QB in this draft (Not much of a drop off through the first 3 or 4 rounds) so I have no problem with them maximizing the value of their picks while being patient regarding the biggest decision that faces this team.
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IF they really didn't see any potential QBs in this draft class they shouldn't have ditched Schaub. They should have let him compete in camp and seen if a new coaching staff could have brought out the best in him. Or they should have positioned themselves better in free agency.

I understand your point about Jax but consider this: Who has more superbowl appearances between Jacksonville and the Texans over the last decade? Exactly. We're both stuck at 0. You either win the superbowl or you don't.

Which team was worst last year? They swept us. Our strategy may be the 'safer' bet but so far we're both the laughing stocks of the NFL. I don't think we can really point to anyone and say "at least we're not..."
 
Corrosion said:
Oh I understand your frustration .... But , most of us were not all that thrilled with the QB talent in this draft to begin with. Remember this thread ?? 2014 QB Class Not That Great .

I think taking any of those QB's 1:1 would have been a serious reach. We were picking them apart and still talking about forcing the position .... I'm glad we didn't.

I wouldn't take Bridgewater over Su'a-Filo either. That was a much needed upgrade.

Garappolo was gone when they came up in the 3rd , and I wouldn't have taken a QB there. I would have taken Nix or one of the two remaining OT's I have highly rated in Moses or Richardson - Not a QB.


Moving up to get Nix with the 19th pick in the 3rd round ..... the dude has first round talent , great move , wasn't a QB I'd have taken there.


No QB ?? ..... No Problem.

One of the three on the roster gets run out there. With the front seven they have constructed , that QB doesn't have to win the game , he just has to avoid making mistakes that lose it.
Find another corner with this comp pick @ 4:35 then a DE for depth .... they still have moves to make in FA.


Sh!t this team may surprise the hell out of us and make the playoffs .... with one of the QB's already on the roster. They made significant upgrades to crucial positions.
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I think bolded is most important and point I made in my thread about game plan after draft. QB specialist O'Brien should be able to get some miles out of Fitz and Keenum or maybe not as good as advertised.
 
gtexan02 said:
You mean his passing yards? Russell Wilson is a top 5 QB in yards per attempt. He would have hit 5400 if he passed as often as Peyton did.

26 TDs puts him at top 10 in the NFL. Again, with about 100-200 less attempts than most of the other 10

500 rushing yards makes him elite mobility wise.

His QB rating puts him 7th.

If you don't believe he's an above average QB I don't believe you've ever seen him play. Honestly, have you watched him?
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I have watched him. He's good and im not arguing that. "He wouldve hit 5400 yards IF he passed as much as peyton" means he didnt. you can pimp projections however you like but he didnt. He had a strong running game and a stellar defense. The team won with him, not BECAUSE of him. Would I take wilson and do i like him? Sure. But he didnt single handedly win ****. The Seahawks trademark right now is not wilson. It's defense.
 
I'm LOVING this draft so far. Big, strong, nasty players seem to be what we're looking for nowadays, and I like it. If we draft Murray with our 4th rounder, I'll do backflips.
 
Vance87 said:
Am I the only one not completely giving up on Keenum at this point? I mean it's an outside shot I know.
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gtexan02 said:
IF they really didn't see any potential QBs in this draft class they shouldn't have ditched Schaub. They should have let him compete in camp and seen if a new coaching staff could have brought out the best in him. Or they should have positioned themselves better in free agency.

I understand your point about Jax but consider this: Who has more superbowl appearances between Jacksonville and the Texans over the last decade? Exactly. We're both stuck at 0. You either win the superbowl or you don't.

Which team was worst last year? They swept us. Our strategy may be the 'safer' bet but so far we're both the laughing stocks of the NFL. I don't think we can really point to anyone and say "at least we're not..."
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You're making my case for me comparing our level of "success" to Jacksonville's.. They have reached for the "most important position" just like you suggested and have failed. Also regardless is they swept us last season.. That just shows you how incompetent we were last year.. Not a sign of Jacksonville making correct decisions. In all honesty Houston is lucky they didn't go 0-16 last season since it took huge comebacks just to win the two games that we did. Nonetheless Houston historically has gotten the upper hand over the Jags.. even in the expansion/David Carr days.

This is just a very mediocre QB draft (but also happens to be the deepest draft in years) and the lack of Houston's aggressive to grab a QB doesn't mean they don't recognize the need at the position or the importance of that position. They probably feel like I do.. Not much difference between players in this mediocre QB pool that lacks elite talent.

And their view on this class has absolutely nothing to do with Matt Schaub.. Schaub had to go plain and simple.. Especially while a team (who also drafted a QB in the 2nd round) was still willing to trade for him. That decision to part ways had nothing to do with this class.. They just wanted to put a end to that chapter.
 
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I get the impression that O'Brien is trying to build a team, O-line and D-line, prior to finding a QB to lead that team. I agree with this method of team building. I don't think this is a 1 yr. plan, I think he's on a 2-3 yr. team building plan. And 2-3 yrs. from now I think we'll all be thrilled with the team we have that O'Brien built. I'm fine with the lack of a new QB until O'Brien gets a real chance to evaluate what we already have.
 
Wolf6151 said:
I get the impression that O'Brien is trying to build a team, O-line and D-line, prior to finding a QB to lead that team. I agree with this method of team building. I don't think this is a 1 yr. plan, I think he's on a 2-3 yr. team building plan. And 2-3 yrs. from now I think we'll all be thrilled with the team we have that O'Brien built.
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Yeah , building the trenches is the way to go .... That builds a team that can get solid results over the long term.

The more I think about it , the more I go back to that thread in the draft section about the QB's not being all that. First I started picking Bridgewater apart , then Bortles , then Manziel .... then I found myself thinking which turd was the shiniest because "we have to fill the most important position."

Now I find myself thinking "I'm glad they didn't take the shiniest turd."


Where they find that QB .... I dunno. Just hope it doesn't take too long.
 
Look... The thread title says "NO QB...". We have qb's on the roster, but not the future stud. And that's ok, because the best thing that came from this offseason is that our former QB is on a different team. That is a HUUUUUUGE factor for us. He wasn't going to get us to the Super Bowl, so just cut ties and move on until we find THAT guy.

We've been set back by sticking with him, but if BOB keeps building us from the inside out we have a better chance of being competitive again, very soon. Keep the big nasty guys coming. Our team/city needs that.

New head coach, new mentality, new philosophy, new QB... And some big bad dudes. We're gonna bring the hat for sure and I can't wait!
 
"QB driven league", because they've made it easier to play QB. Think about the explosion in passing stats the last several years. That has happened for a reason, and it's pass-favorable rule changes that allowed it. Along with the protection bubble by officials, I think today's QBs have it better than ever.

O'Brien will find a QB. I'm not even worried about that part. I like the strategy of building from the trenches up, especially with the style and attitude shift toward big and nasty. Once there is a foundation in place on both sides of the ball, a QB will have an easier time taking advantage of the 'new & improved' NFL we enjoy today.

2-14 took it out of me for awhile, but now I'm starting to really look forward to football season! :texflag:
 
Corrosion said:
No QB in the first 4 picks , biggest hole on the roster still to be filled .... and I'm thrilled with the first 4 picks.

Clowney - Best player in the draft.

Su'a-Filo - Best interior OL in the draft.

Fiedorowicz - Wasn't thrilled with the pick but do like the player a lot. Probably would have gone RT here (Morgan Moses was the next pick off the board).

Nix - Finally , this team hasn't had a big nasty NT since Seth Payne. First round talent in the middle of the 3rd round.

Purely on talent , this might be the best draft in the history of the franchise .... even if they didn't fill the biggest need.


Watt , Nix , Clowney , Mercilus & Cushing ..... QB's have to be concerned.
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I would feel better if Bridgewater had gone in the top 20. Maybe BOB hated TB. But I would have traded 2.33 and one of the 6th rounders for 1.31.

1.01 - Clowney, 1.31 - Bridgewater, 3.65 - Moses, 3.83 - Nix.

Q @ OG & Moses @ OT seems as good as Q @ OT & Filo @ OG. So then I've given up a TE with a 4th round grade and a 6th round pick for a QB who would probably be the best QB in Texans history.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I'm still hoping for Murray or Brett smith.
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I like Smith .... But think you can get him UDFA.

He spent a lot of time running for his life behind that terribad OL in Wyoming but made a lot of plays. I was surprised he wasn't invited to the combine.

McCarron is the guy I'd like to see slide to them at their next pick which is 4:35 (a comp pick) since they traded away 4:1 & 5:1 for 3:19 and Nix.

Murray would be my next choice behind Katherine Webb .... errr McCarron.
 
Vance87 said:
Am I the only one not completely giving up on Keenum at this point? I mean it's an outside shot I know.
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I didn't touch this earlier because it's such a difficult question. I like some of the things Keenum can do and think most of his issues are fixable.

I hope he gets a fair shot at winning the job and showing improvement in these area's with no early round rookie .... it should be an open competition.

I posted this in another thread:


Keenum's problems were more pre snap than anything else. He didn't recognize coverage and pressure packages before the snap & make the proper adjustments. Even simple concepts like an overload to one side with a 4 man rush befuddled him (4th quarter in KC).

IF he can solve that puzzle (Huge IF) I think he can be successful in the league. The question is , can he figure that out. That's what sets guys like Manning , Brady & Brees apart from the rest of the league - their ability to recognize pre snap reads and take advantage of them.
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After watching Case Keenum for 9 games I saw nothing that would preclude the Texans from drafting a QB in the first three rounds.

However, when I looked at the QBs available & how they were being graded... I'm not mad right now, because my #1, 2, & 4 QBs are still on the board. #3 & #5 are gone... these are prospects I believe have a good shot at starting day one, regardless where they are drafted. They're smart, they're big, they have experience playing in a pro system, & they've played well. McCarron, Murray, & Mettenberger.

Then there are the guys I think might make good QBs with a little developing..... Savage, Wenning, Fales.

I haven't hit the panic button yet, but if my #1 & #2 guys were off the board, I probably would have.
 
Wolf6151 said:
I get the impression that O'Brien is trying to build a team, O-line and D-line, prior to finding a QB to lead that team. I agree with this method of team building. I don't think this is a 1 yr. plan, I think he's on a 2-3 yr. team building plan. And 2-3 yrs. from now I think we'll all be thrilled with the team we have that O'Brien built. I'm fine with the lack of a new QB until O'Brien gets a real chance to evaluate what we already have.
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sure beats taking a qb then trekking towards the great OZ with only the cowardly lion and the tin man as your Guards. Don't get me started with that scarecrow at RT.
 
gtexan02 said:
The true philosophy of the Texans has always been patience, strength in the trenches, and building slowly through the draft.
Because of that, we've always been "a year away"

Everyone who says our QB will be there in 2015 is the perfect Texans fan. "We are built for the long haul and will be contenders in just a few years."

I can see the excuses for passing all the QBs in next year's draft as well. "You don't force a need pick. You take BPA. We need more defensive lineman."

Sometimes you ignore needs and take the best player at the position. When your need is the most important player on the team, it's hard to see how that strategy is going to lead to success in the immediate future
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Yep. Funny to me that more people haven't caught onto this. Must be the koolaid...
 
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