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Old 04-27-2014   #21
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Did you not read post #1 and what Bob said in the interview this week with Michael David Smith? If not, return to go and read post 1.
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I'm just going with what Bob said this week, unlike Carr, a Texans rookie QB today, would sit and learn, behind a vet QB. Pretty easy to understand if you ask me.
Actually he said this months ago.
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Only on Texans Talk could a player averaging nearly 10 sacks/season (despite injuries) be considered not "exactly a resounding success."

For reference: Sacks per game through first 8 seasons
Mario Williams 0.67
Julius pepper 0.66
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Bah. You never know what kind of player you're getting until you put them on the field anyway.
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Damn..........is the draft over yet?
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Damn..........is the draft over yet?
No, some dumbass thought it would be a good idea to have it in November this year.
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Default Re: Bob McNair: Texans won’t repeat mistakes we made with David Carr

Translation: "Texans have all new and exciting mistakes up their sleeves this time!"

Sorry, it's just the first thing that pops into my head when Bob McNair starts talking.
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On "rebuilding" or not...

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So we are NOT going to hire Dom Capers as head coach again?

Well that's a positive
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Actually he said this months ago.
As did O'Brien: http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/sho...67#post2317567

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On "rebuilding" or not...
Yep. Mr. McNair & Rick got the bad news after O'Brien and his staff finished their roster/player evaluations.
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Damn..........is the draft over yet?
Yes it is where were you?Are you satisfied that we traded all 2014 picks for picks in 2015? My sources tell me we are going to move up and take Winston..if he is not in prison.
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Blameful, imo.

In 2006, the team took 43 sacks total, 41 on Carr (a 5 year starter).

In 2007, the team took 22 sacks total on 60 more attempts.

We added Jordan Black and lost Zach Wiegert (OTs), and our first 4 draft picks were Amobi Okoye, Jacoby Jones, Fred Bennett, and Brandon Harrison.

So was it the offensive line, or was it the QB (Schaub/Rosenfels vs Carr)?

In 2007, Carr took 13 sacks in just 136 attempts for Carolina, a ~10% sack rate. Transposing to 2007 Texans attempts, that would've been 51 sacks.

You'd better draft pocket presence, because its darned near impossible to teach at this level.
That's my point and that's why I still think TB is the best qb in this draft and should be taken early. Pocket presence and poise matters. Knowing situational football is a great assett. If its 3 and 3 on the negative side of the field and you can throw a bomb or dump it off and move the chains,that's situational football. Even the best qbs in the nfl complete balls 30 yds down the field at less than 50%. Move the chains,know the situation on down and distance and make the plays when neccessary.

Davis Carr as a college sr had pocket issues like his brother. Even when the line gave him protaction, he ran out of bounds behind the los. The dude because of his family obligations was not the 1st guy in and the last to leave. All that stuff matters in picking a qb.
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David isn't blameless in his lack of success, but the organization didn't exactly give him a chance to develop either. The lack of talent on the oline, bad offensive philosophy, and piss poor coaching played a role too.

I remember Steve Mckinney saying that Chris Palmer had our WR's running option routes in 2002 and you already have a rookie QB with a bad expansion team oline and you are running these slow developing plays instead of routes to get the ball out of his hand fast.
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Carr developed some bad habits and shoulders some responsibility, but majority is on the team. Should have fortified the O-line and let him sit, before throwing him to the wolves.
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In 2002, the Texans used the first draft pick in franchise history on David Carr, who was beaten up while playing on a bad team and never developed into the kind of player Houston wanted him to be. Now the Texans own the first overall pick again, and owner Bob McNair says his team has learned from its mistakes.

McNair says the Texans now realize that a rookie quarterback shouldn’t play until he’s ready, and a veteran quarterback as a placeholder can be a wise investment.

“I think the main thing I look back on is that we should have had a veteran quarterback in there,” McNair said. “We should have let him start the season and let David learn what it takes to be an NFL quarterback.”

That suggests that if the Texans draft a quarterback next week, they’ll be drafting him with the idea that he’ll sit on the bench and learn while Ryan Fitzpatrick or Case Keenum or T.J. Yates opens the season as the starter. McNair also wants to make sure the Texans can provide a young quarterback better protection than the expansion team’s offensive line gave Carr.

“We weren’t able to give Carr the kind of protection we thought he should have,” McNair said. “I don’t put a lot of blame on him.”

If the Texans do draft a quarterback, they have to hope they’re not making excuses for his failures a dozen years down the road.



I call Bull**** on the 2 highlighted areas. McNair was more interested in recouping his investment by selling seats and jerseys than on winning games or really building a successful team from the inside out. He drafted the pretty boy QB and trotted him out there as a face of the franchise. McNair was much more interested in money than wins. The Texans were absolutely able to get some protection for Carr, but O-line isn't a sexy position and doesn't sell tickets. We're 12 yrs. into this franchise now and the Texans have never made the O-line a high priority.
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excuse Carr last year here he had a pretty decent NFL Oline

if I remember Wade smith a rookie Winston and ma Kenny was a decent center but he was earlier


either way near the end after we got past all our Oline injury issues we had a decent line


look all the NFL teams go through Oline issues they key is or what it seems like now days u don't invest in a lot of high draft picks in your line


U get your highest payed LT and a good center and bam slap in some guards and RT and hope for the best
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I call Bull**** on the 2 highlighted areas. McNair was more interested in recouping his investment by selling seats and jerseys than on winning games or really building a successful team from the inside out. He drafted the pretty boy QB and trotted him out there as a face of the franchise. McNair was much more interested in money than wins. The Texans were absolutely able to get some protection for Carr, but O-line isn't a sexy position and doesn't sell tickets. We're 12 yrs. into this franchise now and the Texans have never made the O-line a high priority.
Vinny was once quoted as saying the Texans were a marketing company with a football division.

And that perspective came from decisions like starting David Carr, who looked good in a Texans uniform and was immediately made the "face of the franchise" from the point he was drafted in April 2002. I've got Texans merchandise from that period - between the draft and pre-season - that has Carr in majestic poses with his chiseled chin and dude looked like a model. How could they NOT start him after all the publicity?

While I cannot say I feel sorry for David Carr - he did get paid tens of millions, after all - I can say that he was never put in position to be taught and molded to succeed as an NFL QB. Dude had potential, but it was never fully reached because of the inherent dysfunctional nature of an expansion team.

I'll give it to McNair for owning up to mistakes, though. A lot of owners would never admit such a thing, but he clearly feels some regret, and I have to respect him for his honesty in that regard.
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As long as Bob McNair has this "WIN NOW" mentality and "I will spend whatever it takes," attitude his Houston Texans will continue to wallow in the mire and the fans will continue to sing, "C'mon Bob Light My Fire, The time to hesitate is through."

The day that McNair begins to plan for tomorrow, including responsible long term money management will be the day that WIN NOW will start to take care of itself.
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As long as Bob McNair has this "WIN NOW" mentality and "I will spend whatever it takes," attitude his Houston Texans will continue to wallow in the mire and the fans will continue to sing, "C'mon Bob Light My Fire, The time to hesitate is through."

The day that McNair begins to plan for tomorrow, including responsible long term money management will be the day that WIN NOW will start to take care of itself.
What makes you think the fruit of that foresight isn't taking shape now? I see the moves they made(shedding several overpaid contracts)/didn't make (throwing money away in FA) as a positive start toward turning this franchise around. I think anyone with an open mind, sans an agenda (which I KNOW is too much for some to give up).

I would agree that's it's too early to know for sure but it seems to me they've been proactive as far as the cap is concerned and we only have to wait a little over a week to see how the draft plays out.

I'm off the Kool-Aid but at the same time am willing to take a wait and see stance before I'm ready to pull the pitch fork out. I know that's not an overly popular stance. So be it.
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In 2002, the Texans used the first draft pick in franchise history on David Carr, who was beaten up while playing on a bad team and never developed into the kind of player Houston wanted him to be. Now the Texans own the first overall pick again, and owner Bob McNair says his team has learned from its mistakes.

McNair says the Texans now realize that a rookie quarterback shouldn’t play until he’s ready, and a veteran quarterback as a placeholder can be a wise investment.

“I think the main thing I look back on is that we should have had a veteran quarterback in there,” McNair said. “We should have let him start the season and let David learn what it takes to be an NFL quarterback.”

That suggests that if the Texans draft a quarterback next week, they’ll be drafting him with the idea that he’ll sit on the bench and learn while Ryan Fitzpatrick or Case Keenum or T.J. Yates opens the season as the starter. McNair also wants to make sure the Texans can provide a young quarterback better protection than the expansion team’s offensive line gave Carr.

“We weren’t able to give Carr the kind of protection we thought he should have,” McNair said. “I don’t put a lot of blame on him.”

If the Texans do draft a quarterback, they have to hope they’re not making excuses for his failures a dozen years down the road.



I call Bull**** on the 2 highlighted areas. McNair was more interested in recouping his investment by selling seats and jerseys than on winning games or really building a successful team from the inside out. He drafted the pretty boy QB and trotted him out there as a face of the franchise. McNair was much more interested in money than wins. The Texans were absolutely able to get some protection for Carr, but O-line isn't a sexy position and doesn't sell tickets. We're 12 yrs. into this franchise now and the Texans have never made the O-line a high priority.
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