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Old 04-26-2014   #141
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Everyone's an expert........and no one knows squat.........so now the name of the game is to cover ALL possibilities......then you can look like your'e half way smart anyway no matter what.........

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In twelve days, the Texans will have to do something with the first pick. To help fill those twelve days, let’s summarize their options.

First, they can use the pick and keep the player selected. If that happens, the prevailing thought (as articulated by John McClain of the Houston Chronicle) is that the Texans will take defensive end Jadeveon Clowney or quarterback Johnny Manziel.

Second, they can trade the pick before the draft, moving down to a lower position in the top 10. If Clowney ends up being the first pick, the Texans would take Manziel if he’s still on the board. If Manziel is gone, McClain believes the choice would be linebacker Khalil Mack or quarterback Blake Bortles.

Of course, if they drop farther than No. 4, there’s a chance all four would be gone. The Texans would need to hope that a tackle or two get drafted early, like Greg Robinson or Jake Matthews. A 2013-style run, with Robinson, Matthews, and Taylor Lewan all gone in the top five, would be the best outcome for the Texans.

Third, the Texans could take Clowney and then trade him to a team that takes the player the Texans directs them to take, with a trade being done promptly thereafter. The risk in that case would be the other team not getting a player the Texans want, and then the Texans would have to keep Clowney.

Most of the speculation for trade talk has centered on the Falcons, who hold the sixth overall pick and who have made no secret of their flirtation with Clowney. On Friday, they got the closest thing to a workout from Clowney, with a biomechanical assessment on a force plate.

The real question is whether the Texans would take Clowney if they can’t trade the pick. A decision to use the pick and take Manziel would then create a potential trade down by the Rams, who could be inclined to ship the pick to the Falcons for Clowney.

Fourth, the Texans could pass the pick. Obviously, that will never happen. Not long ago, however, when rookie contracts at the top of the draft were spiraling out of control, there was actually speculation that a team’s best move would be to voluntarily move down.
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Everyone's an expert........and no one knows squat.........so now the name of the game is to cover ALL possibilities......then you can look like your'e half way smart anyway no matter what.........
See Roger, this is the kind of crap we'll have to read for the next two weeks thanks to you moving the damned draft. Put it back at the end of April where it belongs.

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Well, you won't be able to pay that QB, or your new draft picks if you did it, but other than that it's a brilliant idea.
Your link doesn't tell me anything. Please explain.
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Your link doesn't tell me anything. Please explain.
What it tells me is that, based on current contracts the Texans arte going to have a ton of cap space in 5 years. Of course, that's meaningless because there will be players added every year, contracts extended, etc.
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Your link doesn't tell me anything. Please explain.
It says we can't afford to eat another $7M in dead money. If we're to cut or trade Arian, we're in a better position to do it next year. That's the way I read it anyway.
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Yeh trading a soon to be if not already worn out RB with serious off field issues and a huge contract who's coming off of back surgery for a young QB with all the tools the new head coach is looking for on a team who's rebuilding without a QB is just plain dumb!!! NOT!!!

Yeah, because we just know Mallett is going to pan out? If we really want him bad enough, we can get him without a trade next offseason. The Pats won't be able to retain him. Mallett had a ton of questions coming out, and people now according to reports have said his arm has gotten weaker.
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Yeah, because we just know Mallett is going to pan out? If we really want him bad enough, we can get him without a trade next offseason. The Pats won't be able to retain him. Mallett had a ton of questions coming out, and people now according to reports have said his arm has gotten weaker.
At least Mallet would have a chance to be a part of this teams future. Foster on the other hand won't likely even be on the team in 2 years. Which is more than likely how long it will take for this team to really be in contention again.
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Yeah, because we just know Mallett is going to pan out? If we really want him bad enough, we can get him without a trade next offseason. The Pats won't be able to retain him. Mallett had a ton of questions coming out, and people now according to reports have said his arm has gotten weaker.
Mallett's arm has gotten weaker?

Where did you get this info?
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I don't remember the Bronco's offense with Elway being a rhythm offense. maybe there was some element of it there, but I recall Elway having "all day" on several occasions.
Elway extended with his athleticism.

The West Coast offense has many variations. The Shanny/Kubiak ZBS run-oriented model is distinct in some ways from other variations. The play-action and bootlegging is quite distinct from the drop back passing portion of the offense. The drop back passing game is designed to by extremely rhythmic and designed to get the ball efficiently out of the hand of the QB. Pull up some old video on youtube of Bill Walsh talking about his offense.
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Elway extended with his athleticism.
& still there were plenty of times when he had all day to throw the football. From the pocket.
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At least Mallet would have a chance to be a part of this teams future. Foster on the other hand won't likely even be on the team in 2 years. Which is more than likely how long it will take for this team to really be in contention again.
Foster is an excellent red-zone back, but otherwise not a particularly gifted runner who had just average long-speed and minimal explosiveness & quickness. I'm thinking in O'Brien's offense he's a dime-a-dozen
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& still there were plenty of times when he had all day to throw the football. From the pocket.
You got any data to back up that random assertion?

or maybe a better question is what's your definition of "all day to throw"?

Most QBs get rid of the ball in 2-3 seconds. Holding the ball for 3.5 seconds will get you sacked.

This ProFootballFocus Link shows how long today's QBs take to pass the ball successfully vs. how long they can hold it before they end up being sacked.

Thoughts?
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Foster is an excellent red-zone back, but otherwise not a particularly gifted runner
Foster has or HAD some of the best field vision i've ever seen in a running back.
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Mallett's arm has gotten weaker?

Where did you get this info?

There's no validation to that report, but someone who saw him working out at the Arkansas Pro Day this past year(I think) said it appeared it had gotten weaker.
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Foster has or HAD some of the best field vision i've ever seen in a running back.
Perhaps but that's beside my point because "field vision" is an acquired skill, not a gift.
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Perhaps but that's beside my point because "field vision" is an acquired skill, not a gift.
I'd argue that field vision is a natural instinct, one of the few things you can't coach up. Some guys just have better vision than others.

I hope for Mack but accept that the pick will probably be Clowney. Hopefully RAC can come up with a hybrid scheme a la Seattle to take advantage of his skill set. I think he would be mediocre as a 34 WOLB
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I'd argue that field vision is a natural instinct, one of the few things you can't coach up. Some guys just have better vision than others.

I hope for Mack but accept that the pick will probably be Clowney. Hopefully RAC can come up with a hybrid scheme a la Seattle to take advantage of his skill set. I think he would be mediocre as a 34 WOLB


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Trading Arian Foster for Mallett would be one of the dumbest moves in the history of this franchise and that says an awful lot.
right next to giving Arian the contract they gave him...

soooo if this was to happen why would it be a surprise?
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quite simple, you don't need a LT when you A: have arguably the best LT in the NFL, B: have nothing at QB C: have far more pressing issues at other need spots.

RT is an issue, but not even top 3 on the list. If they traded back and took Robinson, so be it but not at the #1 spot just to stick him at RT...
Many times when collegiate left tackles are drafted early, they get moved to right tackle in the NFL until they’ve proved to be ready to move back to the left side to protect a quarterback’s blind side. Robinson could offer another level of versatility if he is shuffled to right tackle or either guard position.
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