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Old 05-02-2014   #181
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Right now today, Mack would probably be a better fit in Crennel's defense than Clowney, but who even knows if Crennel will be in Houston much beyond this year, while whoever the Texans draft with their 1.1 will almost certainly be a Texan for atleast 4 or 5 years.
That's actually a very salient point. It's a player's league. And a good coach should be able to utilize a great player. Not that I've ever bought into Clowney not fitting into Crennel's defense in the first place.
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Right now today, Mack would probably be a better fit in Crennel's defense than Clowney, but who even knows if Crennel will be in Houston much beyond this year, while whoever the Texans draft with their 1.1 will almost certainly be a Texan for atleast 4 or 5 years.
Ive said it since they hired Mike Vrabel as linebackers coach: Vrabel is the heir to Crennel at DC
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Ive said it since they hired Mike Vrabel as linebackers coach: Vrabel is the heir to Crennel at DC
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Who is mack or Clowney replacing? Are we sitting reed or mercy? If we're not going to move reed inside and make either of those guys 3 down Sam's im starting to lean towards Robinson.
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Who is mack or Clowney replacing? Are we sitting reed or mercy? If we're not going to move reed inside and make either of those guys 3 down Sam's im starting to lean towards Robinson.
IMO, if the Texans draft Clowney (which I don't see happening ever), Reed goes to the middle and Merci goes to the strong side and that could be fluid. Clowney might be better from the strong side, I'm not sold on Merci. This is his year to prove himself.
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Who is mack or Clowney replacing? Are we sitting reed or mercy? If we're not going to move reed inside and make either of those guys 3 down Sam's im starting to lean towards Robinson.
If your approach to drafting is to take the best player available, then you can't tie yourself in knots about taking a guy who's going to force someone else out that's not getting production but whom you used a high draft pick on.

Neither Reed or Mercilus have performed up to this point. If either one of them or BOTH of them become redundant, if one of them can't beat out Clowney for their job, then "Hello, Mr. Bench."

Our biggest goal should be putting the best, most productive players on the field who are going to help us win. If the FO decides Clowney or Mack is the best player in this draft AND RAC can use him, then we should draft him and let the chips fall where they may.

This is why I'm for Watkins and Robinson. Those are the two guys I think would do the most to improve this team. But I could be wrong. Clowney could be that guy. Mack could be that guy. (A. J. McCarron could be that guy, but for goodness sake don't tell TK I said that.) It's up to the FO to figure that out and make the right play.

So I'm probably not going to blast them about their picks until we see the product they put on the field. It's the organization's job to figure out which guys we want, it's Smith's job to figure out how to maneuver ourselves to get the guys that are going to do us the most good, and it's OB and RAC's job to take whatever Smith gets for them and turn it into a winning team.
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So I'm probably not going to blast them about their picks until we see the product they put on the field.
Agreed. I was befuddled when they picked Jj Watt, but seems like they knew what they were doing.
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Who is mack or Clowney replacing? Are we sitting reed or mercy? If we're not going to move reed inside and make either of those guys 3 down Sam's im starting to lean towards Robinson.
We had the two worst OLB's in the NFL last year. I don't know how you can't focus on that position. Mack is a 3 down player, he can play DE in a 4-3, Will, sam, both inside positions, he's about as versatile a player as you can get and the best player in this draft. He's what you want if you are looking to create a dominant Seattle like defense. Reed won't produce inside, just as he hasn't produced outside. He should ride the pine. Maybe Williams steps up, maybe Mercilus does but I wouldn't bank on it.

Mack is BPA, fits our biggest defensive need, and is extremely versatile. He's the best possible fit.
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We had the two worst OLB's in the NFL last year. I don't know how you can't focus on that position. Mack is a 3 down player, he can play DE in a 4-3, Will, sam, both inside positions, he's about as versatile a player as you can get and the best player in this draft. He's what you want if you are looking to create a dominant Seattle like defense. Reed won't produce inside, just as he hasn't produced outside. He should ride the pine. Maybe Williams steps up, maybe Mercilus does but I wouldn't bank on it.

Mack is BPA, fits our biggest defensive need, and is extremely versatile. He's the best possible fit.
Mack is probably the better fit and the safer player since he has a really good motor.

Clowney is the better talent though. I don`t think you draft the #1 pick based on fit. Clowney could play DE or OLB for us and a good coach should be able to teach him, what he needs to no. If Clowney plays OLB, he`d drop perhaps 3 times a game (just what we wanted to do with Mario).

I think we could pick up Mack after a trade down, and that would probably be the best case scenario. But if we stay at #1, I think we need to take a long hard look at Clowney.

And who should sit? Is that really a question? If he plays DE, we have a need right there right now. If he plays OLB we either have a solid 3 men rotaton or Reed turns into an ILB. OLB is a position of need, although we have Merciless and Reed - they couldn`t get it done last season. So it wouldn`t be tough to make room for Clowney or Mack.
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Mack is probably the better fit and the safer player since he has a really good motor.

Clowney is the better talent though. I don`t think you draft the #1 pick based on fit. Clowney could play DE or OLB for us and a good coach should be able to teach him, what he needs to no. If Clowney plays OLB, he`d drop perhaps 3 times a game (just what we wanted to do with Mario).

I think we could pick up Mack after a trade down, and that would probably be the best case scenario. But if we stay at #1, I think we need to take a long hard look at Clowney.

And who should sit? Is that really a question? If he plays DE, we have a need right there right now. If he plays OLB we either have a solid 3 men rotaton or Reed turns into an ILB. OLB is a position of need, although we have Merciless and Reed - they couldn`t get it done last season. So it wouldn`t be tough to make room for Clowney or Mack.
Only position Clowney fills is OLB. He's not going to make an impact as a 3-4 DE, he doesn't have the motor for it. Funny thing is, when teams knew how impactful Clowney was last year, they easily took him out of the game. He managed just 3 sacks and 1 FF when all eyes were on him. When teams realized how impactful Mack was, they tried to do the same, and yet he produced unreal stat lines. Macks' production increased every single year in college. Clowney was the opposite. I would argue that talent is measured on the field. Talent shines through, and Mack is the most talented. Clowney is perhaps a better athlete. I mean, he can run faster in shorts in a straight line. He's slower by 2 tenths in the 3-cone drill than Mack. Mack put up 2 more reps on the bench than Clowney so who's to even say who the better athlete is.
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Possible LB configurations with Clowney:
SOLB - Brooks Reed, Trevardo Williams
SILB - Mike Mohamed, Paul Hazel
WILB - Brian Cushing, Jeff Tarpinian, Justin Tuggle
WOLB - Jadeveon Clowney, Whitney Mercilus, Ricky Sapp

SOLB - Trevardo Williams
SILB - Brooks Reed, Mike Mohamed, Paul Hazel
WILB - Brian Cushing, Jeff Tarpinian, Justin Tuggle
WOLB - Jadeveon Clowney, Whitney Mercilus, Ricky Sapp

With Mack:
SOLB - Khalil Mack, Brooks Reed
SILB - Mike Mohamed, Paul Hazel
WILB - Brian Cushing, Jeff Tarpinian, Justin Tuggle
WOLB - Whitney Mercilus, Trevardo Williams, Ricky Sapp

SOLB - Khalil Mack, Trevardo Williams
SILB - Brooks Reed, Mike Mohamed, Paul Hazel
WILB - Brian Cushing, Jeff Tarpinian, Justin Tuggle
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Possible LB configurations...
With LDE Tim Jamison, DT Jerrell Powe, RDE JJ Watt

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A while back I found a good break down on Mercilus' play last season at Battle Red Blog (part one : http://www.battleredblog.com/2014/2/...itney-mercilus part two : http://www.battleredblog.com/2014/2/...rcilus-part-ii ).

This analysis shows Mercilus has a good set up move - outside rush plus rip - but that's it. He doesn't effectively use, or have, a counter move to the inside nor does he have a finishing move such as the swim or spin.

Going up against the LT every game, the opposing players quickly learned this and was able to neutralize his rush.

The good news is that OLB's make their biggest improvement in production their second year of starting, which would be 2014 in Whitney's case. His deficiencies are correctable with a little more coaching and training.
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Only position Clowney fills is OLB. He's not going to make an impact as a 3-4 DE, he doesn't have the motor for it. Funny thing is, when teams knew how impactful Clowney was last year, they easily took him out of the game. He managed just 3 sacks and 1 FF when all eyes were on him. When teams realized how impactful Mack was, they tried to do the same, and yet he produced unreal stat lines. Macks' production increased every single year in college. Clowney was the opposite. I would argue that talent is measured on the field. Talent shines through, and Mack is the most talented.
This is pretty wrong considering that Mack had a much lower level of competition and didn't receive near as much attention as Clowney (25% vs ~13% on passing downs alone). Meanwhile, as a result of all that extra attention, his teammate Kelcy Quarles went from 3.5 sacks in 2012 (when Clowney was a legit defensive Heisman candidate) to double digits when he was only given single coverage by the offensive line. Mack, by comparison, shows great instincts and speed but really struggles going against any sort of experienced lineman (Mewhort in the Ohio State game and against Baylor) that isn't playing in the MAC, and offenses were content to often leave a TE on him to block (the bowl game versus SDSU).

Finally, Mack has been succeeding despite relative obscurity in the MAC, whereas Clowney has been hailed as a #1 pick since coming out of high school and had to deal with all of the media hype from 'The Hit' last year. To compare their situations directly and claim that Mack had an 'unreal' season while Clowney faltered is not only incorrect, but kinda dumb!

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Clowney is 15-20lbs heavier and has longer arms than Mack (which has a big enough the bench press - nevermind that any weight trainer would scoff at the bench press being an indication of functional strength), so I'm not sure how you can just look at the results without any context and conclude that Mack is simply better. Clowney is easily the BPA of the draft, not Mack.
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I dunno, but why am I starting to think of Clowney as Michael Jordan and Mack as Sam Bowie ? Don't blow this one Rick !
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This is pretty wrong considering that Mack had a much lower level of competition and didn't receive near as much attention as Clowney (25% vs ~13% on passing downs alone). Meanwhile, as a result of all that extra attention, his teammate Kelcy Quarles went from 3.5 sacks in 2012 (when Clowney was a legit defensive Heisman candidate) to double digits when he was only given single coverage by the offensive line. Mack, by comparison, shows great instincts and speed but really struggles going against any sort of experienced lineman (Mewhort in the Ohio State game and against Baylor) that isn't playing in the MAC, and offenses were content to often leave a TE on him to block (the bowl game versus SDSU).

Finally, Mack has been succeeding despite relative obscurity in the MAC, whereas Clowney has been hailed as a #1 pick since coming out of high school and had to deal with all of the media hype from 'The Hit' last year. To compare their situations directly and claim that Mack had an 'unreal' season while Clowney faltered is not only incorrect, but kinda dumb!



Clowney is 15-20lbs heavier and has longer arms than Mack (which has a big enough the bench press - nevermind that any weight trainer would scoff at the bench press being an indication of functional strength), so I'm not sure how you can just look at the results without any context and conclude that Mack is simply better. Clowney is easily the BPA of the draft, not Mack.
You can cry about MAC vs. SEC talent level but Devin Taylor made Clowney what he was in his two years of production. When he left you saw the dropoff. Mack made his own success, name one other notable pass rusher on that Buffalo defense. I could go through and debate your other points but they're all pretty moot. Mack beat Clowney in every measurable at the combine aside from 40 time. Better work ethic, better athlete, better talent, higher upside, everything points to Mack.
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You can cry about MAC vs. SEC talent level but Devin Taylor made Clowney what he was in his two years of production. When he left you saw the dropoff.
Clowney had his best season ever the year after Melvin Ingram left, so perhaps you don't have any idea what you're talking about? Go watch some tape.

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I don't downgrade a guy for playing in the MAC, but watching Mack play against Mewhort or a team like Baylor and not show up as a pass rusher when facing decent talent wasn't encouraging, and why I like him better as the ILB next to Cush if we draft him rather than OLB.

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Mack beat Clowney in every measurable at the combine aside from 40 time. Better work ethic, better athlete, better talent, higher upside, everything points to Mack.
Ryan Shazier beat Mack in the vertical, bench press, 40 time (comparing pro days) AND the 20-yard shuffle, so by your logic he's a lock for first overall, right?
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Only position Clowney fills is OLB. He's not going to make an impact as a 3-4 DE, he doesn't have the motor for it. Funny thing is, when teams knew how impactful Clowney was last year, they easily took him out of the game. He managed just 3 sacks and 1 FF when all eyes were on him. When teams realized how impactful Mack was, they tried to do the same, and yet he produced unreal stat lines. Macks' production increased every single year in college. Clowney was the opposite. I would argue that talent is measured on the field. Talent shines through, and Mack is the most talented. Clowney is perhaps a better athlete. I mean, he can run faster in shorts in a straight line. He's slower by 2 tenths in the 3-cone drill than Mack. Mack put up 2 more reps on the bench than Clowney so who's to even say who the better athlete is.
Yeh in a base defense which OB has said will only be ran about 30% of the time. So your argument is really 70% NA. On top of that Clowney is almost unanimously considered the better prospect. The only thing I see Mack better at is open field tackling. I don't see RAC having a problem finding a way to utilize a player with Clowneys ability. He's not some rookie DC.
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The only thing I see Mack better at is open field tackling.
Mack is also very polished when he's in coverage.
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Mack, by comparison, shows great instincts and speed but really struggles going against any sort of experienced lineman (Mewhort in the Ohio State game and against Baylor) that isn't playing in the MAC, and offenses were content to often leave a TE on him to block (the bowl game versus SDSU).
You're dead wrong here. Mack made Mewhort look like an UDFA in the game against Ohio State. He recorded 2.5 sacks, 9 tackles, and returned an INT for a TD. He would have had 3.5 sacks if Mewhort hadn't traded a sack for a holding penalty.

Against Baylor, he only had 4 tackles. But that's mainly because Baylor's quick passing attack neutralizes most pass rushers. They only gave up 1 more sack this year than A&M's vaunted O-Line. You can also bet, as he was the only weapon in the Buffalo front seven, that he saw most of Baylor's attention in pass pro. Especially considering that game was 1 week after he shredded the Ohio State O-Line. I'm sure he had their attention that week as much as Clowney has had any opponent's attention.

Also, Baylor jumped out to a huge lead early in the game and Petty only threw 16 passes. Hard to blame Mack for not filling up the stat sheet.
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