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Old 04-06-2014   #61
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If having back-to-back seasons with double digit wins and at least 1 playoff victory is failure, then there is not a single franchise that can live up to your standard for more than a season or two. You have to consider the Patriots a terrible franchise because they haven't won a SB in almost a decade. The Ravens didn't make the playoffs last year and they had 12 years between SBs, fire Ozzie. Would you have given Cowher 14 years to win a SB?

How many years are you going to give OB to win a SB? 2? 3? Are you going to fire him after 3 years if all he has is 1 playoff appearance? And then how many years are you going to give the next guy? And then the guy after that? With your philosophy, you're going to be changing coaches every two to three years.

How many 2-14 seasons would it take you to reconsider YOUR position?
I want a solidly built team that is feared and in the running for a SB 8 out of 10 yrs. You know like the Steelers/Packers/Ravens etc.... and win 1-2 every decade. Not a team that wins a wildcard game and then gets embarrassed on national TV.

If OB does well I give him 4-5 yrs to build his program. But after that period if he has a 2010 6-10 season he should be fired, not given a 3 yr contract extention.
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I want a solidly built team that is feared and in the running for a SB 8 out of 10 yrs. You know like the Steelers/Packers/Ravens etc.... and win 1-2 every decade. Not a team that wins a wildcard game and then gets embarrassed on national TV.

If OB does well I give him 4-5 yrs to build his program. But after that period if he has a 2010 6-10 season he should be fired, not given a 3 yr contract extention.
The Steelers/Packers/Ravens don't meet that criteria. They're not in the running for a SB 8 out of 10 years. Not seriously. As you've said, just getting to the playoffs a couple of years doesn't cut it.

The Ravens: Over the last 10 years, they've missed the playoffs 4 times and two of those seasons, they've had double digit losses. And if one playoff win in a season isn't a good thing, then three of those times they've made it to the playoffs in that period don't count as victories.

The Packers: Over the last 10 years, they've missed the playoffs 3 times and in two of those seasons, they've had double digit losses. They've lost 3 wildcard playoff games so, by your criteria, those seasons were failures. If you can't win a single playoff game then you're not seriously in the running to win the SB>

The Steelers: They've been out of the playoffs 4 times in the last 10 years. Although they've won 2 SBs in that period, they've also lost in the wildcard game twice.

Seriously. We all want a team that is consistently a winner. But to dismiss the two times we've been to the playoffs and the two games we've won is just silly. That's not you holding anything to a higher standard. That's you creating a double-standard.

You say you'll give OB 4-5 years to build his program.... why didn't you give that time to Kubiak? You were calling for his head after the second season if not before.
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The Steelers/Packers/Ravens don't meet that criteria. They're not in the running for a SB 8 out of 10 years. Not seriously. As you've said, just getting to the playoffs a couple of years doesn't cut it.

The Ravens: Over the last 10 years, they've missed the playoffs 4 times and two of those seasons, they've had double digit losses. And if one playoff win in a season isn't a good thing, then three of those times they've made it to the playoffs in that period don't count as victories.

The Packers: Over the last 10 years, they've missed the playoffs 3 times and in two of those seasons, they've had double digit losses. They've lost 3 wildcard playoff games so, by your criteria, those seasons were failures. If you can't win a single playoff game then you're not seriously in the running to win the SB>

The Steelers: They've been out of the playoffs 4 times in the last 10 years. Although they've won 2 SBs in that period, they've also lost in the wildcard game twice.

Seriously. We all want a team that is consistently a winner. But to dismiss the two times we've been to the playoffs and the two games we've won is just silly. That's not you holding anything to a higher standard. That's you creating a double-standard.

You say you'll give OB 4-5 years to build his program.... why didn't you give that time to Kubiak? You were calling for his head after the second season if not before.
After the 2009 season that had the easiest schedule I've ever seen and the Texans only go 9-7. The Texans org starts trumpeting this as some kind of great accomplishment and 6-10 followed. I had my doubtsabout Gary/Rick then. After seeing Corrosion's post about Rick being in charge of player procurement, while I hope BOB can turn things around quickly, I've got my doubts anything will really change within the Texans org. I hope I'm wrong.

This says it all about where the Texans (We're on the right track) org stands as of today. With the 1st pick in the 2014 NFL player draft the Houston Texans select .....

We as fans that have supported this team both emotionally and financially from the beginning deserve better. Even though there's nothing we can do other than gripe about the current state of the team.

If the Texans org has done as good as you seem to think then why are the picking 1-1 and what would you do to fix what's wrong with the team if you had the power to fix them?
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After the 2009 season that had the easiest schedule I've ever seen and the Texans only go 9-7. The Texans org starts trumpeting this as some kind of great accomplishment and 6-10 followed. I had my doubtsabout Gary/Rick then. After seeing Corrosion's post about Rick being in charge of player procurement, while I hope BOB can turn things around quickly, I've got my doubts anything will really change within the Texans org. I hope I'm wrong.

This says it all about where the Texans (We're on the right track) org stands as of today. With the 1st pick in the 2014 NFL player draft the Houston Texans select .....

We as fans that have supported this team both emotionally and financially from the beginning deserve better. Even though there's nothing we can do other than gripe about the current state of the team.

If the Texans org has done as good as you seem to think then why are the picking 1-1 and what would you do to fix what's wrong with the team if you had the power to fix them?
First off, griping doesn't accomplish anything.

And I've never said the Texans FO hasn't made mistakes and I've never said that changes shouldn't be or shouldn't have been made. Like you, I would have fired Smithiak after the 6-10 season. But I would have been wrong because I would have missed out on 2 successful seasons -- you and I have a difference of definition on what constitutes a successful season.

We are picking 1-1 for one main reason.

Kubiak believed that Schaub was still the pre-lisfranc Schaub. Smithiak hadn't chosen a successor because QBs frequently have a shelf-life into their late 30's and Smithiak thought they had more time to devote to a true successor and thought they only needed guys for spot duty. This was a mistake. They should have seen the signs at the end of the 2012 season but they didn't.

A secondary reason is the Wade Phillips Effect. It seems that Wade Phillips comes to a team and immediately turns its defense around. Then as time goes on, his defense get worse and worse. Important guys get injured. Some other guys get lazy. Whatever. The defense degrades. Last year, his defense was atrocious in the red zone and terrible at forcing turnovers.

Hopefully, RAC can turn that defense around. I don't have high hopes for that.

And OB has to solve the QB conundrum. Because he's got squat right now and he's probably still going to have squat after draft day.

This next year is probably going to be bad and I don't think there are any quick fixes in sight unless OB's able to work magic on one of these QBs. And this next year might not be the end of it. We might be bad for 2-4 years and if so, we're going to be looking back fondly at those double-digit win seasons.
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I want a solidly built team that is feared and in the running for a SB 8 out of 10 yrs. You know like the Steelers/Packers/Ravens etc.... and win 1-2 every decade. Not a team that wins a wildcard game and then gets embarrassed on national TV.
Agreed. So do I. But those teams have been around since the beginning. They weren't always so "feared" I remember when Green Bay were chumps, damn near like the Bucs. The Steelers & the Browns/Ravens have had their droughts as well.

To me, it's like everything else. The new kid on the block is rarely the best, or even in that tier. It generally takes time to consistently be competitive when entering such a mature market.

I want the Texans to be thought of with the same reverence as the Steelers, Packers, Patriots.... but it's not going to happen overnight unless we get an Elway, or a Peyton. Drafting Matthew Stafford at #1 overall isn't the same thing (not that you said it was).

It's going to take us a while.... & we're close right now. Gary did a good job. Now we need O'Brien to take us to the next level, & the guy after him to the level after that.

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Four years from now, we're going to be better than these teams, or worse. Right now, I think we're better. Kubiak/Smith did that.
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First off, griping doesn't accomplish anything.

And I've never said the Texans FO hasn't made mistakes and I've never said that changes shouldn't be or shouldn't have been made. Like you, I would have fired Smithiak after the 6-10 season. But I would have been wrong because I would have missed out on 2 successful seasons -- you and I have a difference of definition on what constitutes a successful season.

We are picking 1-1 for one main reason.

Kubiak believed that Schaub was still the pre-lisfranc Schaub. Smithiak hadn't chosen a successor because QBs frequently have a shelf-life into their late 30's and Smithiak thought they had more time to devote to a true successor and thought they only needed guys for spot duty. This was a mistake. They should have seen the signs at the end of the 2012 season but they didn't.

A secondary reason is the Wade Phillips Effect. It seems that Wade Phillips comes to a team and immediately turns its defense around. Then as time goes on, his defense get worse and worse. Important guys get injured. Some other guys get lazy. Whatever. The defense degrades. Last year, his defense was atrocious in the red zone and terrible at forcing turnovers.

Hopefully, RAC can turn that defense around. I don't have high hopes for that.

And OB has to solve the QB conundrum. Because he's got squat right now and he's probably still going to have squat after draft day.

This next year is probably going to be bad and I don't think there are any quick fixes in sight unless OB's able to work magic on one of these QBs. And this next year might not be the end of it. We might be bad for 2-4 years and if so, we're going to be looking back fondly at those double-digit win seasons.
1. This is McNair's team and although griping may not help it's about all we as fans can do. Except not eat/drink/buy merchandise while at the games cutting into the Texans profits. Canceling season season tickets ont work because McNair will get to double dip on PSL $$$$ and there is a waiting list.

2. While I agree with you on the Schaub thingy, Rick Smith should've seen this coming. CND told us it was coming. Instead of seeing it coming Smith decided that it would be a great idea to extend Schaub putting the team further behind the salary cap 8 ball. So this isn't MMQBing. Tell me how did Smith manage to keep his job? It was probably a combination of throwing Gary under the bus and kissing Cal McNair's butt.

3. With a 1 foot Schaub and a rookie (Keenum0 this wasn't the Wade Phillips effect. This was a defense that spent too much time on the field. Also the injuries with lack of depth and bad FA signing (Reed) were major contributors to the defense demise. Who contributed to these problems? Could Rick Smith have played a large prt in these issues? According to Corrosion Smith was in charge of player procurement.

4. Agree with you on the RAC and QB conundrum points. But I do think if BOB hits on what he does best (Developing QB's) the Texans should be better for it in 3-4 yrs. I do worry about how qualified BOB is, only because he's another 1st time NFL HC and I've been stained by the Rick/Gary yrs.

Bottom line for me is it's time for the McNair's to stop giving lip service about being a winner (This has been going on for the last 5 yrs) and put a proven winning product on the field. Bob McNair needs to quit listening to other cronie owners (your close to a championship) (We''re on the right track) and put a team on the field that Houston can be proud of. Instead of the crap we say last yr. It must be nice to be able to raise ticket prices every yr except the yrs you suck so bad that you end up at 1-1.
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Agreed. So do I. But those teams have been around since the beginning. They weren't always so "feared" I remember when Green Bay were chumps, damn near like the Bucs. The Steelers & the Browns/Ravens have had their droughts as well.

To me, it's like everything else. The new kid on the block is rarely the best, or even in that tier. It generally takes time to consistently be competitive when entering such a mature market.

I want the Texans to be thought of with the same reverence as the Steelers, Packers, Patriots.... but it's not going to happen overnight unless we get an Elway, or a Peyton. Drafting Matthew Stafford at #1 overall isn't the same thing (not that you said it was).

It's going to take us a while.... & we're close right now. Gary did a good job. Now we need O'Brien to take us to the next level, & the guy after him to the level after that.



Four years from now, we're going to be better than these teams, or worse. Right now, I think we're better. Kubiak/Smith did that.
I hope your right

I would beg to differ on the Rick/Gary contributions part though. Hopefully Rick is gone after next yr and McNair hits on BOB.
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3. With a 1 foot Schaub and a rookie (Keenum0 this wasn't the Wade Phillips effect. This was a defense that spent too much time on the field.
As an fyi - the Texans' offense was 8th in the league in TOP. That was not a cause. Cushing going down would be the biggest non-Wade cause for the decline IMO.
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2. While I agree with you on the Schaub thingy, Rick Smith should've seen this coming. CND told us it was coming. Instead of seeing it coming Smith decided that it would be a great idea to extend Schaub putting the team further behind the salary cap 8 ball. So this isn't MMQBing. Tell me how did Smith manage to keep his job? It was probably a combination of throwing Gary under the bus and kissing Cal McNair's butt.
I don't disagree with any of that. Either Rick Smith OR Kubiak (but probably both) should have seen the signs and they should have prepared for that eventuality better. One problem is that there wasn't really any great QBs in last year's draft, either, although maybe they should have drafted Glennon or Nassib.

I understand how they made the mistake but they shouldn't have made it. And that's why I've got no problem with Kubiak having been fired and I've got no problem if Rick Smith is fired after the draft.

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Again, I don't disagree with any of that. Smithiak got too complacent on the QB front and now we're left with OB not having much to work with. Since this draft might not have The Guy, we might have to take another hit this two years for OB to find and develop a guy.

I'm hoping OB steps up. I really liked the hire but it is a risky one.

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Bottom line for me is it's time for the McNair's to stop giving lip service about being a winner (This has been going on for the last 5 yrs) and put a proven winning product on the field. Bob McNair needs to quit listening to other cronie owners (your close to a championship) (We''re on the right track) and put a team on the field that Houston can be proud of. Instead of the crap we say last yr. It must be nice to be able to raise ticket prices every yr except the yrs you suck so bad that you end up at 1-1.
And this is where we differ. Just because we had a horrible year last year doesn't diminish the fact that we did have two good years. I don't like painting the entire era black because it ended in such a shambles.
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I just want more than 2 slightly above avg yrs in an 11 yr span.

Hopefully BOB is the guy to improve on this. It could happen if IMHO

1.McNair lets BOB pick his team with no restrictions.

2. They lock Smith in the closet on draft day. LOL
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2. While I agree with you on the Schaub thingy, Rick Smith should've seen this coming. CND told us it was coming. Instead of seeing it coming Smith decided that it would be a great idea to extend Schaub putting the team further behind the salary cap 8 ball. So this isn't MMQBing. Tell me how did Smith manage to keep his job? It was probably a combination of throwing Gary under the bus and kissing Cal McNair's butt.
The Texans have not done one thing to lead us to believe they believe Schaub's performance was in any way related to his foot injury. Not one word about it, not a, "He just needs to get healthy." or "He's working through a lot of pain." nothing.

Instead, they say he needs to get a fresh start.

I don't believe this is a situation where they want to "not disclose" a medical issue either. He passes a physical, he should be good to go.

Not to discredit CnD at all, I respect his insight & appreciate that he shares his opinion with us. But he did not look at the xRays, or MRIs. He doesn't know how severe the injury was. He doesn't know (unless he read a report that he hasn't told us about) exactly what was done to put Schaub back together again.

Schaub looked great, in spurts. I pulled the Schaub bandwagon out of the garage after that comeback win against San Diego. Hooked it up to the truck after that OT victory against Tennessee. Pushed it into the ditch after that SanFrancisco fiasco... Then he looked like a baaaaaad sumbtch against Seattle, until... well, y'know.

& if it is something medical, you'd think he would be able to manage it. Walk around with a special shoe all week. Stay off of it three out of 5 days. Shoot it up before the game, something.

& it's not like he was going to run for a first down, or had the strongest arm to begin with.


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The Texans have not done one thing to lead us to believe they believe Schaub's performance was in any way related to his foot injury. Not one word about it, not a, "He just needs to get healthy." or "He's working through a lot of pain." nothing.

Instead, they say he needs to get a fresh start.

I don't believe this is a situation where they want to "not disclose" a medical issue either. He passes a physical, he should be good to go.

Not to discredit CnD at all, I respect his insight & appreciate that he shares his opinion with us. But he did not look at the xRays, or MRIs. He doesn't know how severe the injury was. He doesn't know (unless he read a report that he hasn't told us about) exactly what was done to put Schaub back together again.

Schaub looked great, in spurts. I pulled the Schaub bandwagon out of the garage after that comeback win against San Diego. Hooked it up to the truck after that OT victory against Tennessee. Pushed it into the ditch after that SanFrancisco fiasco... Then he looked like a baaaaaad sumbtch against Seattle, until... well, y'know.

& if it is something medical, you'd think he would be able to manage it. Walk around with a special shoe all week. Stay off of it three out of 5 days. Shoot it up before the game, something.

& it's not like he was going to run for a first down, or had the strongest arm to begin with.


Don't get me wrong, 2013 was all his fault.
I don't trust the Texans medical staff at all. (Boselli/DDW)

2013 wasn't all Schaub's fault. Injuries/team Dr's not allowing Wade Smith and Newton to get fully healthy like Seattle did with their OL injuries. Injuries with on defense with little depth etc... But Schaub did play a large part in 2-14.
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I just want more than 2 slightly above avg yrs in an 11 yr span.

Hopefully BOB is the guy to improve on this. It could happen if IMHO

1.McNair lets BOB pick his team with no restrictions.

2. They lock Smith in the closet on draft day. LOL
I've got no doubt that it'll get better than 2 above avg seasons in an 11 year span. Gary & Rick already left us in a better position than when they got here. The first 4 years got us squat in the above avg years column. Somewhat to be expected, but not acceptable.

But how can you give OB 3-4 years just to get his players?

8 years from now, an 11 year history would include Kubiak's above average 2011 & 2012. Throw out 2013, give OB three years to build, and he's got to be above average in 2017, or he's getting the axe?

Kubiak's been here 8 years. 3 losing seasons, 3 winning seasons, 2 8-8 seasons. Not great, but we were an expansion team & look back at that list of 16 teams infantrycak made.

OB doesn't have that expansion team thing to worry about. We're past that. He doesn't have that rookie GM thing to worry about. We're past that. He doesn't have that "Owner doesn't know his elbow from his @sshole" thing to worry about.

I think he's got 16 players who are going to do everything they can to make sure we have a winning season in 2014.
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I've got no doubt that it'll get better than 2 above avg seasons in an 11 year span. Gary & Rick already left us in a better position than when they got here. The first 4 years got us squat in the above avg years column. Somewhat to be expected, but not acceptable.

But how can you give OB 3-4 years just to get his players?

8 years from now, an 11 year history would include Kubiak's above average 2011 & 2012. Throw out 2013, give OB three years to build, and he's got to be above average in 2017, or he's getting the axe?

Kubiak's been here 8 years. 3 losing seasons, 3 winning seasons, 2 8-8 seasons. Not great, but we were an expansion team & look back at that list of 16 teams infantrycak made.

OB doesn't have that expansion team thing to worry about. We're past that. He doesn't have that rookie GM thing to worry about. We're past that. He doesn't have that "Owner doesn't know his elbow from his @sshole" thing to worry about.

I think he's got 16 players who are going to do everything they can to make sure we have a winning season in 2014.
At 2-14 the Texans my not be an expansion team but they're not far from being one. Look at all the holes that need to be filled and very little depth. (Not the least of which is QB) Rick Smith played a large hand in this. McNair's comments like (We're on the right track/don't want to do anything too traumatic) sure doesn't evoke confidence for me.
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I don't trust the Texans medical staff at all. (Boselli/DDW)

2013 wasn't all Schaub's fault. Injuries/team Dr's not allowing Wade Smith and Newton to get fully healthy like Seattle did with their OL injuries. Injuries with on defense with little depth etc... But Schaub did play a large part in 2-14.
This begs the question, who were those guys (the Texans med staff) and are THEY still here??

You would think that an organization that has major ties to one of the largest hospital systems in the country, Methodist, and whose success ultimately depends on the health and strength of its primary employees (the players), would be better (MUCH f#@king better) at diagnosing sports injuries and treating them properly.

and yet...

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This begs the question, who were those guys (the Texans med staff) and are THEY still here??

You would think that an organization that has major ties to one of the largest hospital systems in the country, Methodist, and whose success ultimately depends on the health and strength of its primary employees (the players), would be better (MUCH f#@king better) at diagnosing sports injuries and treating them properly.

and yet...

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Oh and I think O.D. will have a fine year up in Baltimore.
Yeah , we can point to probably half a dozen or more instances where these Dr's screwed the pooch ... Boselli , Joppru , D.Davis errr Williams , Ed Reed .... who am I leaving out ?!


They have a piss poor track record ....
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This begs the question, who were those guys (the Texans med staff) and are THEY still here??

You would think that an organization that has major ties to one of the largest hospital systems in the country, Methodist, and whose success ultimately depends on the health and strength of its primary employees (the players), would be better (MUCH f#@king better) at diagnosing sports injuries and treating them properly.

and yet...

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Oh and I think O.D. will have a fine year up in Baltimore.
The questios I have is how much pressure do/did the McNairs/Charlie-Dom/Rick-Gary put on the DR's to get the assets (Players) on the field as soon as possible, sometimes to the detriment of the long term future of the Texans org and the players careers?
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