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Old 03-30-2014   #121
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He's always graded out positive as a deep safety so I see no reason to move him. Also, IIRC, I think Lewis has experience as a CB so maybe he will play some slot CB.
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Strange evaluation for a safety who rated in the top 20 by PFF.

The Battleredblog article 2014 Houston Texans Offseason: "The Safety Dance"
offers some interesting comparisons of our newly-acquired safeties.
I think it's grain of salt time, with all our safeties. None of them proved to be starter material.... imo, last year there were flashes, or stats, or some reason to believe two of the four should be able to start in 2014; DMann's past history, Dj Swag's flashes, Keo was a solid safety, & Clemons has got PFF in his corner.

I think the name of the game here is competition.
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Doesn't Clemons have much better speed that would translate to better at the slot?
I think speed equates to range. I want him covering center field. I want a physical guy in the slot to jam up the receiver/TE, not let him get into his route.
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I think it's grain of salt time, with all our safeties. None of them proved to be starter material.... imo, last year there were flashes, or stats, or some reason to believe two of the four should be able to start in 2014; DMann's past history, Dj Swag's flashes, Keo was a solid safety, & Clemons has got PFF in his corner.

I think the name of the game here is competition.
I agree with you whole-heartedly.........and hope that honest competition with this new regime carries over to ALL positions.
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I think speed equates to range. I want him covering center field. I want a physical guy in the slot to jam up the receiver/TE, not let him get into his route.
^^^ This.

A speedy guy like that is probably going to be better away from everyone where he can see what's going on and use his speed to put him in the right position.

Now... if he takes bad angles, that's a problem.
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I think speed equates to range. I want him covering center field. I want a physical guy in the slot to jam up the receiver/TE, not let him get into his route.
You want someone in the slot that is physical and has agility.

Slot guys on offense come in different forms. Big guys, wes welker type guys, Owen Daniels type guys, ect....

And IMO that's why I think Kareem is perfect to bump down into the slot position when needed. He's really, really good on short stuff which is where you want your slot guy to excel. He can handle different types of guys as well. I think Kareem is perfect for the role.
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Why would you be tempted to do that? Swearinger seems much more natural at SS to me.

Clemons deep, DJ at SS and Manning in the slot wouldn't be a bad line up, imo.
It was meant to be implicit in my post that it was contemplating a 2 deep safety scenario.

Of the 3 I think Manning has the best ability to cover the Wes Welker's of the league who have given the Texans fits for years. He's more physical than his stature, has a knack for forcing fumbles when he can come downhill to tackle and most important has the agility to match the breaks of someone like Welker with long speed as well to boot. He has also shown plus ability to blitz from the position.
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Safety was one of the few position groups on the roster that I felt was solid from a talent aspect with Manning , Swearinger , Keo (who I thought played well last season) and Pleasant.

Either they don't like the talent at the position or this is a wasteful allocation of cap space.
This, I don't know why we are pretty much only going after a position that we were not weak at compared to other positions of need.

How did most of you all of sudden decide Clemens is better than Manning?

I don't agree with that at all, this will only be a good signing if Manning stays on the team.
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This, I don't know why we are pretty much only going after a position that we were not weak at compared to other positions of need.

How did most of you all of sudden decide Clemens is better than Manning?

I don't agree with that at all, this will only be a good signing if Manning stays on the team.
One, it's probably adding pressure to negotiating with Manning.

Two, if Manning leaves, it's probably at least temporarily a backup plan.

Three, it's a very cheap acquisition (probably much cheaper than a so-called position of greater need)............cheap enough (only $450,000 guaranteed) that he is releasable virtually at any point.
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It was meant to be implicit in my post that it was contemplating a 2 deep safety scenario.

Of the 3 I think Manning has the best ability to cover the Wes Welker's of the league who have given the Texans fits for years. He's more physical than his stature, has a knack for forcing fumbles when he can come downhill to tackle and most important has the agility to match the breaks of someone like Welker with long speed as well to boot. He has also shown plus ability to blitz from the position.
That would be a disaster. If manning was that good he could just play corner period. If he was that good the texans wouldn't be asking him to take a pay cut.
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That would be a disaster. If manning was that good he could just play corner period. If he was that good the texans wouldn't be asking him to take a pay cut.
You're of course correct. Our nickel back is clearly superior. Remind me who that is again?

I thought we were talking about IF they choose to put three safeties on the field.
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I agree with you whole-heartedly.........and hope that honest competition with this new regime carries over to ALL positions.

Yeah, the impression I get is that they're making everyone pretty much earn their spot. Nice change of pace, IMO.


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Manning has been released.
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Manning has been released.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...nieal-manning/

so now the Texans safety position is probably the cheapest in the league in terms of costs after being one of the most expensive last year.
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Well.

Damn.

I was hoping we'd be able to retain him.
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I wonder what they "need" the money for.
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Well.

Damn.

I was hoping we'd be able to retain him.
Me too. I wonder how much they asked him to reduce his salary..??
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I wonder what they "need" the money for.
They're thinking ahead to JJ's massive contract next year. Or they may be negotiating for that extension now and are clearing future space to do so. It's almost certainly going to be the biggest defensive contract in NFL history.
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Me too. I wonder how much they asked him to reduce his salary..??
I thought someone said something about him being asked to take a salary similar to the Clemons contract.
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