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Old 03-28-2014   #41
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Because I don't think Manning was a good FS and I think there are some decent players still in FA that we could use that money on. Also, he's older...Coming off a bad injury.
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I'd have taken Graham & OD... let DMann walk.
Only if OD agreed to a pay cut. I love the guy for his past contributions, but OD was in decline.
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Clemons is signing according to Ganguli. Good.
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Clemons is signing according to Ganguli. Good.
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http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/10/2...e-in-safe.html

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And, when given the opportunity, he can make the big play. In Miami’s 23-21 loss to Buffalo on Sunday, Clemons picked off a wounded duck offered up by Thad Lewis in Bills’ territory.

It’s just one reason that Pro Football Focus rates Clemons as the sixth-best coverage safety in football.

Quarterbacks have completed just 3 of 8 passes thrown in his coverage area this year, and he hasn’t been tested once the past two games.

Furthermore, just one of the eight passing touchdowns surrendered by the Dolphins’ defense this year was on Clemons’ watch.

“That’s how you stay in the league,” Clemons said. “You’ve got to make plays.”

And how you get the security of a multiyear deal. Clemons had a strong 2012, teaming up with Jones to form one of the best safety tandems in football.

Yet when Clemons hit the open market in March, the Dolphins were able to bring him back on a one-year deal worth $2.75 million.

Meaning: Clemons is a great value for the Dolphins. But if they want him back in 2014, they’ll probably have to pay up — and not just for one season.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/10/2...#storylink=cpy
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Default Re: Texans ask Manning to take pay cut

Easily our 2nd best FA move so far.

Can't believe Miami let Clemons walk to sign the injury plagued Delmas. Well I can believe it but seriously?
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I guess this means we're cutting Manning?
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Because I don't think Manning was a good FS and I think there are some decent players still in FA that we could use that money on. Also, he's older...Coming off a bad injury.
If Manning does poorly this year, it won't be because of his surgically repaired right fibula fracture. If it's as reported.....an isolated shaft stress fracture of the fibula, after the 6 week healing period and additional month or so of getting back into shape, it should be a non issue. If you remember, Manning suffered the exact same type of fibula stress fracture (on the left) and had it surgically repaired in 2011, and came back quite soon by 6 weeks (probably pushing it a little too much). If he accepts the pay cut, and we have an improved DL and D scheme, I believe it will have the potential of a good re-investment.
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Default Re: Texans ask Manning to take pay cut

Thank God Clemons is good in coverage. We need it so badly. I've had enough of our secondary getting embarrassed.
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If Manning does poorly this year, it won't be because of his surgically repaired right fibula fracture. If it's as reported.....an isolated shaft stress fracture of the fibula, after the 6 week healing period and additional month or so of getting back into shape, it should be a non issue. If you remember, Manning suffered the exact same type of fibula stress fracture (on the left) and had it surgically repaired in 2011, and came back quite soon by 6 weeks (probably pushing it a little too much). If he accepts the pay cut, and we have an improved DL and D scheme, I believe it will have the potential of a good re-investment.
I'm not saying he's going to have any issues with his injury recovery. You're the Doc, so you obviously have the expertise in that area.

What I'm saying is that I don't think he's worth what he's being paid. If he restructures...great...

But I'd just prefer to let him walk and use that money elsewhere...Not going to cry if he re-signs though...He's a decent player...I just don't think he's really good...As a FS...
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Very Happy with the Clemons signing. Guy has 4.33 speed, a Good Tackler and Cover guy nice signing. Plus 6'1,214
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Ranking the 2014 Free Agents: Safeties

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2013 Grade: +4.1
2013 Snaps: 1158

Summary: Clemons made this same list last year, but after a stellar season he jumped five spots from the ninth-best free agent safety, to No. 4. Last year, with no big offers on the table, he returned to Miami on a one-year deal hoping to increase his value. The former fifth-round pick is now ready to cash in with a long-term deal, and while most will view him as a drop-off from the top three names, he might be a better value. Clemons was our 19th-ranked safety and excelled in coverage — his +7.2 grade in that department was ninth among safeties and he allowed just 0.20 yards per coverage snap, best in the league. However, his run defense grade dipped from +4.4 in 2012 to -3.6 in 2013 and his 14 missed tackles were 13th most of all safeties. Clemons will surely garner more interest
May be "steal".......if he doesn't price himself out of our market.
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I'm not saying he's going to have any issues with his injury recovery. You're the Doc, so you obviously have the expertise in that area.

What I'm saying is that I don't think he's worth what he's being paid. If he restructures...great...

But I'd just prefer to let him walk and use that money elsewhere...Not going to cry if he re-signs though...He's a decent player...I just don't think he's really good...As a FS...
Can't disagree. Just think that the safety position didn't get much help last year. Would expect "changes" in DL and scheme to have a very positive effect on what the safeties this year look like.
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So this might make Dman gone. If we cut ties how much money do we get back?
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Can't disagree. Just think that the safety position didn't get much help last year. Would expect "changes" in DL and scheme to have a very positive effect on what the safeties this year look like.
Yeah...You are right about that too...

Outside of Watt, our pass rush was non-existent...
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Chris Clemons two years for 2.7 mil and 450,000 guaranteed.
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Clemons is a good signing. Improves back end speed/coverage, doesn't break the bank.

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Keo and Pleasant fight for a roster spot as a special teams ace and reserve safety.
Or they draft a safety that's better than either of them. Which shouldn't be that difficult.
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Wow...That's a good deal...
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