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Old 06-09-2014   #321
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Well now hold on there Hoss, before we run NerdBeard out of town on a rail, let us further investigate the nerdiness and make sure the punishment fits the crime...

If he wearing a Transformers Generation 1 hat...major swag

If he was wearing that craptastic childhood killer's giant, twisted up can openers, Michael Bay's version of Transformers hat...the send that summama biyatch out on the first thing smoking...
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Well now hold on there Hoss, before we run NerdBeard out of town on a rail, let us further investigate the nerdiness and make sure the punishment fits the crime...

If he wearing a Transformers Generation 1 hat...major swag

If he was wearing that craptastic childhood killer's giant, twisted up can openers, Michael Bay's version of Transformers hat...the send that summama biyatch out on the first thing smoking...
Captain America hat, Avenger's T... I'm good.

X-Men hat, Cyclops T... I can dig it.

Spiderman hat, Justice League T... cut that moth@R@$T, cut him deep.
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X-Men hat, Cyclops T... I can dig it.

Spiderman hat, Justice League T... cut that moth@R@$T, cut him deep.
Yup! Kinda like wearing Jordans with a Reebok T-shirt.
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So you consider this a better situation?
TBD. My point is that there is historical precedent supporting a veteran QB making dramatic improvements in his game deep in his career often due to a change in circumstances.
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Yes. He was a disaster in Indy for 5 seasons... Then became a much better QB in Atlanta.
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The four quarterbacks really are two quarterbacks vying for that third QB on the roster. Ryan Fitzpatrick, the 9 year veteran who signed with the Texans this season and Tom Savage, the 4th round pick from Pittsburgh are all but locked in for two of those spots. That leaves TJ Yates and Case Keenum as the two QBs battling for the final spot heading into training camp. But nothing is locked in yet.
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The most logical cut is Yates, IMO.

Beyond 2014, the only viable starting QB on the FA market is Alex Smith.

My thinking is that the starter in 2015 will either be Smith, Keenum, Savage, or a high draft pick.

It's best for the Texans that either Keenum or Savage can reach their potential.
Or they will either have to pay for Smith or to draft a QB high.
A mediocre or less than mediocre Fitz isn't going to solve anything.
Cutting him next year has no cap ramification.

Yates will be an UFA after this season.
The Texans will have to renegotiate his contract, which can cost between 700K to $1M.

Keenum is a RFA; his dollar amount will certainly be less than Yates in a team-favored contract.

Keenum already leapfrogged Yates.
There's very little chance than Yates can show all that much improvement in OTA that can wow the coaches; if so, we would have heard about it already.

It would be "news" if the Texans cut either Fitz or Savage.

So, if it is between Yates and Keenum, I really think it will be Yates.
Unless there's a trade in the work already, which is always possible.
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The most logical cut is Yates, IMO.

Beyond 2014, the only viable starting QB on the FA market is Alex Smith.

My thinking is that the starter in 2015 will either be Smith, Keenum, Savage, or a high draft pick.

It's best for the Texans that either Keenum or Savage can reach their potential.
Or they will either have to pay for Smith or to draft a QB high.
A mediocre or less than mediocre Fitz isn't going to solve anything.
Cutting him next year has no cap ramification.

Yates will be an UFA after this season.
The Texans will have to renegotiate his contract, which can cost between 700K to $1M.

Keenum is a RFA; his dollar amount will certainly be less than Yates in a team-favored contract.

Keenum already leapfrogged Yates.
There's very little chance than Yates can show all that much improvement in OTA that can wow the coaches; if so, we would have heard about it already.

It would be "news" if the Texans cut either Fitz or Savage.

So, if it is between Yates and Keenum, I really think it will be Yates.
Unless there's a trade in the work already, which is always possible.
According to who? Link?

I've said Keenum would probably not make it to camp, so I reckon I'll stick with that opinion. Given his height (supposedly not prototypical for OB) and how bad he regressed game by game.
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According to who? Link?

I've said Keenum would probably not make it to camp, so I reckon I'll stick with that opinion. Given his height (supposedly not prototypical for OB) and how bad he regressed game by game.
Guess, I didn't make it clear.
Keenum leapfrogged Yates last year on the depth chart.

Certainly, this is a new coaching staff, but the game films are still there and Rick Smith is still there to answer questions.

Yates has to answer as to why he was passed up.
I mean, a 4-9 career TD to INT isn't going to help him.
His negative .7 and 1 AYA the last two years isn't going to help him.

In OTA, when there's no live bullets flying, he would have to impress a lot to counter the negative game films.

You're telling me that Keenum regressed.
What do you think Yates had been doing over the years?
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The most logical cut is Yates, IMO.

Beyond 2014, the only viable starting QB on the FA market is Alex Smith.

My thinking is that the starter in 2015 will either be Smith, Keenum, Savage, or a high draft pick.

It's best for the Texans that either Keenum or Savage can reach their potential.
Or they will either have to pay for Smith or to draft a QB high.
A mediocre or less than mediocre Fitz isn't going to solve anything.
Cutting him next year has no cap ramification.

Yates will be an UFA after this season.
The Texans will have to renegotiate his contract, which can cost between 700K to $1M.

Keenum is a RFA; his dollar amount will certainly be less than Yates in a team-favored contract.

Keenum already leapfrogged Yates.
There's very little chance than Yates can show all that much improvement in OTA that can wow the coaches; if so, we would have heard about it already.

It would be "news" if the Texans cut either Fitz or Savage.

So, if it is between Yates and Keenum, I really think it will be Yates.
Unless there's a trade in the work already, which is always possible.
I know you are a Keenum fan and all but Keenum is on the outside looking in. New coach, new system, so throw last years depth chart out the window. Yates has the size and arm strength that OB is looking for while Keenum falls short (pun) in both areas.

Not to mention Keenum went 0-8 as a starter while Yates won in regular season leading us to a division win but also has a playoff win under his belt.
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Guess, I didn't make it clear.
Keenum leapfrogged Yates last year on the depth chart.

Certainly, this is a new coaching staff, but the game films are still there and Rick Smith is still there to answer questions.

Yates has to answer as to why he was passed up.
I mean, a 4-9 career TD to INT isn't going to help him.
His negative .7 and 1 AYA the last two years isn't going to help him.

In OTA, when there's no live bullets flying, he would have to impress a lot to counter the negative game films.

You're telling me that Keenum regressed.
What do you think Yates had been doing over the years?
How much of Yates have we seen since 11? A quarter or two?

Imo, neither have shown they belong in the NFL. I don't think going from one "QB guru" to another's going to change that. Just my .02
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How much of Yates have we seen since 11? A quarter or two?

Imo, neither have shown they belong in the NFL. I don't think going from one "QB guru" to another's going to change that. Just my .02
And how many TD and how many INTS did he throw in that quarter or two?
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I think Keenum is the odd man out. IMHO BOB likes tall QBs with strong arms that are smart and honestly I think Keenum strikes out on all three. He's short has a popgun arm and based on last seasons inability to pick the blitz up brings his football iq into question.


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I know you are a Keenum fan and all but Keenum is on the outside looking in. New coach, new system, so throw last years depth chart out the window. Yates has the size and arm strength that OB is looking for while Keenum falls short (pun) in both areas.

Not to mention Keenum went 0-8 as a starter while Yates won in regular season leading us to a division win but also has a playoff win under his belt.
How tall was Mcgloin at Penn St.?

Now if you just count win; sure, Yates should start over Fitz.

Yates has been in exactly one system from college to pro, that's the WCO.
He never ran a real no huddle; Keenum did.
He never ran an extensive spread; Fitz and Keenum did.

Sure, every body prefers a QB with size, but it's not everything.
Watch OB'S video on QB; listen to what he said about McGloin.

Yates never called his own play.
Keenum did.

I don't hate on Yates.
I don't hate any player (I just have dislike for prim - dona and the likes, which Yates is not.)

I just think Keenum is the better player.
I think he has a good shot of overtaking Fitz for the gig.
Can't say the same about Yates.
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How tall was Mcgloin at Penn St.?

Now if you just count win; sure, Yates should start over Fitz.

Yates has been in exactly one system from college to pro, that's the WCO.
He never ran a real no huddle; Keenum did.
He never ran an extensive spread; Fitz and Keenum did.

Sure, every body prefers a QB with size, but it's not everything.
Watch OB'S video on QB; listen to what he said about McGloin.

Yates never called his own play.
Keenum did.

I don't hate on Yates.
I don't hate any player (I just have dislike for prim - dona and the likes, which Yates is not.)

I just think Keenum is the better player.
I think he has a good shot of overtaking Fitz for the gig.
Can't say the same about Yates.
Wasn't McGloin already there when OB showed up?

And I am not saying that size is everything, just saying that is what OB is looking for.

I am not even saying that Yates makes the team. What I am saying is if you put Yates and Keenum together, in the eyes of OB Keenum losses out.
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I think Keenum is the odd man out. IMHO BOB likes tall QBs with strong arms that are smart and honestly I think Keenum strikes out on all three. He's short has a popgun arm and based on last seasons inability to pick the blitz up brings his football iq into question.


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I don't know where you get the info from.

1. Arm.
Ourlads has record of QB ball velocity and Keenum doesn't have a weak arm.
It shows he has stronger arm then either Schaub or Yates.
There were plenty of game films that I had mentioned in my many posts on instances where he threw across his body, etc.

2. Blitz and pressure.
PFF has their own independent study, showing that Keenum was better than some names that command big paydays out there.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...and-the-blitz/

In fact, he was doing this with a near to bottom pass pro (check the Keenum's thread for numbers from independent studies from SI and PFF), a decimated running game, poor ST, a D that gave up a ton of points, and against 5 top ten defensive teams against points allowed.

For a first - time starter, that is at least a very encouraging sign.
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Wasn't McGloin already there when OB showed up?

And I am not saying that size is everything, just saying that is what OB is looking for.

I am not even saying that Yates makes the team. What I am saying is if you put Yates and Keenum together, in the eyes of OB Keenum losses out.
He (McGloin) was. Yes.
But OB had choices.
He did not try to keep guys with bigger size.
He allowed them (at least one) to transfer.

What I took from that video is that he wants a smart QB.

I think people read into his wanting a physical Oline, etc. And lump it into the QB position.
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