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Old 03-17-2014   #41
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I'd rather see a rookie thrown to the wolves - trial by fire - than ever see Mark "GQ" Sanchez in a Texans uni. This reeks of desperation if true.
Remember the last time we threw a rookie QB to the wolves , it ruined him. He had happy feet and sacked himself for the rest of his career ....

Sure , Sanchez sucks .... but I'd rather send him out to get pummeled than a rookie.


We really have to realize that this coming season looks appears to be .... nothing but a building , cap clearing year where our coach and QB of the future gets a bit of on the job training.
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Well be ready for that rumor. It's just about time. We've been linked to everyone else. Just like it was just a matter of time before we were linked to Sanchez. I'm with you that id rather have Robinson.
Well... with Robinson, Brown, & Brooks on our line, that can give us the kind of rushing attack that propelled Sanchez to the AFC Championship game...



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We really have to realize that this coming season looks appears to be .... nothing but a building , cap clearing year where our coach and QB of the future gets a bit of on the job training.
If we're just sending tackling dummies out there, we don't need to sign a new QB, we've got that right here already...... cheap too in Yates & Keenum. They'll give us just as much of a chance to win as the buttfumbler.
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Remember the last time we threw a rookie QB to the wolves , it ruined him. He had happy feet and sacked himself for the rest of his career ....

Sure , Sanchez sucks .... but I'd rather send him out to get pummeled than a rookie.


We really have to realize that this coming season looks appears to be .... nothing but a building , cap clearing year where our coach and QB of the future gets a bit of on the job training.
Sanchez is a perfect bridge player. No one expects him to be a franchise QB (no delusional Keenum/VY/Tebow fans chanting from the stands), talented and experienced enough to win a few games, and young enough to be a long-term backup.

The best option right now, unless you think that Christian Ponder or Josh Freeman can fill that role
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If we're just sending tackling dummies out there, we don't need to sign a new QB, we've got that right here already...... cheap too in Yates & Keenum. They'll give us just as much of a chance to win as the buttfumbler.


If it were as simple as a tackling dummy , sure I'd agree. But it isn't , McNair wants results that Keenum & Yates simply aren't capable of providing.


Both Keenum & Yates have shown a propensity for mistakes.

Sanchez has shown the ability .... Not to lose games when provided with a solid defense & running game. (That's not saying he's going to win you games , just not lose them).

With Sanchez you probably win more games than with either Yates or Keenum.
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Sure , Sanchez sucks .... but I'd rather send him out to get pummeled than a rookie.
This should not be the 2002 Texans expansion o-line, revisited. There are 2 Pro Bowl players set to start. Surely, O'Brien can come up with 3 additional starters from the current roster, the draft, and possibly 2nd tier free agents. I don't think the Texans QB should be in line for a pummeling next season.
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In regards to Sanchez, I think there's a good chance he ends up in Chicago. The Bears don't have a backup QB, and Sanchez's former QB coach, Matt Cavenough, is in the Chi-Town. Cutler has had some type of injury 3 years running, and that has to make the job even more enticing for Sanchez.
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If it were as simple as a tackling dummy , sure I'd agree. But it isn't , McNair wants results that Keenum & Yates simply aren't capable of providing.


Both Keenum & Yates have shown a propensity for mistakes.

Sanchez has shown the ability .... Not to lose games when provided with a solid defense & running game. (That's not saying he's going to win you games , just not lose them).

With Sanchez you probably win more games than with either Yates or Keenum.
I would rather just go with Keenum /Yates/and a draft pick like Garapollo/Smith/Savage/Murray. This is only if a trade for Mallett doesn't happen.

Starting Keenum/Yates for the 1st 4-8 games and then bringing in the rookie should,

1. Ensure the record is bad enough that the 2015 draft pick is high enough that the cost of moving up in the draft isn't prohibitive.
2. You get a free look at your rookie QB so you should be able to determine if this yrs draft QB is the QB of the future and if he is he gains invaluable experience.
3. If your rookie QB is the guy, because you let Keenum/Yates start the record should still be bad enough to get high 2015 draft picks and add to what should be a stellar Texans 2014 draft class. Not that I've got any faith in the Texans ability to produce a stellar 2014 draft class.

I can see why McNair wants Sanchez though, he gives them the ability to win 6-8 games next yr (Gary like) that way McNair can sell to his fanbase that,

1. The team is improving
2. You only have to pay top 10-15 $$$$ rather than 1-1 $$$$.

You know kinda like McNair was when Gary would always go on those late season runs to finish in the 7-9/9-7 territory and mediocrity continues to live in H-Town.
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Mark.....Sanch....

Sorry, just threw up in my mouth a little bit....

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I would rather just go with Keenum /Yates/and a draft pick like Garapollo/Smith/Savage/Murray. This is only if a trade for Mallett doesn't happen.

I can see why McNair wants Sanchez though, he gives them the ability to win 6-8 games next yr (Gary like) that way McNair can sell to his fanbase that,
Hopefully the Sanchez talk is just to tell New England we don't "have to" have Mallet.

I don't think it's a good fake, but...
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Hopefully the Sanchez talk is just to tell New England we don't "have to" have Mallet.

I don't think it's a good fake, but...
Could also just be Ian Rappaport pulling **** out of his ass since he is the only person saying it
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I would rather just go with Keenum /Yates/and a draft pick like Garapollo/Smith/Savage/Murray. This is only if a trade for Mallett doesn't happen.

Starting Keenum/Yates for the 1st 4-8 games and then bringing in the rookie should,

1. Ensure the record is bad enough that the 2015 draft pick is high enough that the cost of moving up in the draft isn't prohibitive.
2. You get a free look at your rookie QB so you should be able to determine if this yrs draft QB is the QB of the future and if he is he gains invaluable experience.
3. If your rookie QB is the guy, because you let Keenum/Yates start the record should still be bad enough to get high 2015 draft picks and add to what should be a stellar Texans 2014 draft class. Not that I've got any faith in the Texans ability to produce a stellar 2014 draft class.

I can see why McNair wants Sanchez though, he gives them the ability to win 6-8 games next yr (Gary like) that way McNair can sell to his fanbase that,

1. The team is improving
2. You only have to pay top 10-15 $$$$ rather than 1-1 $$$$.

You know kinda like McNair was when Gary would always go on those late season runs to finish in the 7-9/9-7 territory and mediocrity continues to live in H-Town.
So the team should tank next year for a chance to be in position to draft Winston out of FSU? A player that this organization probably wouldn't take in a millions years?

Don't get the hate for Sanchez (except for the Buttfumble). Not a great NFL QB, but he is an actual NFL-caliber QB, unlike Keenum or Yates. Dude will be a placeholder for Bridgewater/Manziel/Bortles anyways
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Don't get the hate for Sanchez (except for the Buttfumble). Not a great NFL QB, but he is an actual NFL-caliber QB, unlike Keenum or Yates. Dude will be a placeholder for Bridgewater/Manziel/Bortles anyways
I don't hate Sanchez. I just think it is pointless, a waste of money and not an upgrade over Keenum who I also do not think is a future starter. I also don't put much faith in the ability of a QB coming off shoulder surgery to make it through a season.
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Remember the last time we threw a rookie QB to the wolves , it ruined him. He had happy feet and sacked himself for the rest of his career ....

Of course I remember it well.

However, that experience does not mean it will always end in failure.

Troy Aikman was a rookie that played his first season. Peyton Manning, too. Recently we saw Russell Wilson. Andrew Luck. Joe Flacco. Matt Ryan. Matthew Stafford. And these are just off the top of my head.

The Texans did it wrong with David Carr. It was a brand new franchise with an untested offensive line, and they did not give him a dedicated QB coach to teach him how to prepare and study for the position.

But, if they have to keep the rookie QB on the bench, then just keep Matt Schaub instead of wasting a season on some chump like Sanchez. The dude does not have football in his heart. He cares more about his image and after-football-career than he does the game itself. He would be a horrible role model for a rookie QB learning the ropes of the NFL.
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But, if they have to keep the rookie QB on the bench, then just keep Matt Schaub instead of wasting a season on some chump like Sanchez. The dude does not have football in his heart. He cares more about his image and after-football-career than he does the game itself. He would be a horrible role model for a rookie QB learning the ropes of the NFL.
Folks should consider this - who would you better take "expert" lessons from, a guy who overachieved in the NFL or a guy who flopped in the NFL?
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I don't hate Sanchez. I just think it is pointless, a waste of money and not an upgrade over Keenum who I also do not think is a future starter. I also don't put much faith in the ability of a QB coming off shoulder surgery to make it through a season.
My thoughts exactly
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The Texans did it wrong with David Carr. It was a brand new franchise with an untested offensive line, and they did not give him a dedicated QB coach to teach him how to prepare and study for the position.
It's hard to say, even with hindsight. I loved watching David Carr in 2002 & 2003. I thought we made the right decision, not only to get him, but to start him. It wasn't until sometime in 2004 that I started to sour on Carr. He stopped looking down-field, stopped taking chances, stopped trying to win, imo.

That's when the Texans should have started holding him accountable for his play, he was causing as more issues than he was solving. I say "it's hard to say." because I don't know what those conversations were like after the game, Monday through Thursday... but I felt like he didn't own his own shortcomings...... just hard to say looking through that tube.


But I don't think starting David was ever the problem. Continuing to let him start was.
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It's hard to say, even with hindsight. I loved watching David Carr in 2002 & 2003. I thought we made the right decision, not only to get him, but to start him. It wasn't until sometime in 2004 that I started to sour on Carr. He stopped looking down-field, stopped taking chances, stopped trying to win, imo.

That's when the Texans should have started holding him accountable for his play, he was causing as more issues than he was solving.
Game 9 of 2004 was the weather change. Look at the 1st 8 games and then the remainder of his time in Houston. The contrast is stark.

To me there was a clear coaching change at that point but Carr was flawed from day 1 and was not very coachable or dedicated. I think he could have been more but his flaws were his own.
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Game 9 of 2004 was the weather change. Look at the 1st 8 games and then the remainder of his time in Houston. The contrast is stark.

To me there was a clear coaching change at that point but Carr was flawed from day 1 and was not very coachable or dedicated. I think he could have been more but his flaws were his own.
I think Carr had the raw talent and potential to be developed by an established team that could allow him to mature on the bench for a couple of seasons. Who knows if he could have been a consistent game manager or a QB that could actually carry a team, but I think his experience in Houston was the worst possible situation for his undeveloped talent and untrained work ethic.

There is certainly a case to be made to sit a rookie QB. A lot depends on the player and the team/coaches/starting QB. So I'm not arguing against it. Just don't make Sanchez the starting QB who the rookie learns from. I think that sets it up for failure.
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