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Old 03-21-2014   #141
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If there is, I hoping our boy Watt can get him in line.

There is no QB this year worth the #1 pick. Clowney is worth the #1 pick.
Very true. Even AJ, even from the other side of the ball, could show him a thing or two about being more locker room-friendly (if a problem existed).

I certainly won't fret if they get Clowney, though I've noticed my opinion has changed quite a lot this offseason about draft strategy...lol.
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Any thoughts on Clowney's perceived attitude (thinks he's too big for his britches)?
Both Mario and Peppers were thought to be guys who took plays off/lacked a "motor", but then they went 1.1 & 1.2 respectively the years they were drafted. Then during their NFL careers they were also thought to take plays off/ lacked a motor, but in FA Mario brought more money than any defensive player ever and Peppers, near social security age, just signed his second big contract as a FA.
Being a big-time pass-rusher is not a simple commodity, it's a very highly valued and scarce talent that NFL teams are willing to pay vast sums of money for no matter if the player lacks a full time motor or has a high-opinion of himself.
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What will i do with my schaub jersey now?
As soon as Blake Bortles is drafted the Houston Chronicle will come out with an illustrated tutorial on how to modify your already modified David Carr/Matt Schaub jersey to the #5 and to the name "BORTLES".

Anyone who actually does it though should be mocked mercilessly because that's just cheap as hell.

That's all of course unless Bortles announces an unexpected change to #8
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It means more of a cap hit this year and none next year. People vary on whether that is better.
Since the entire team will be learning a new system this year.. I'll say taking the hit now and being free and clear next year is a lot better.. Especially since we'll have to resign Watt.
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Both Mario and Peppers were thought to be guys who took plays off/lacked a "motor", but then they went 1.1 & 1.2 respectively the years they were drafted. Then during their NFL careers they were also thought to take plays off/ lacked a motor, but in FA Mario brought more money than any defensive player ever and Peppers, near social security age, just signed his second big contract as a FA.
Being a big-time pass-rusher is not a simple commodity, it's a very highly valued and scarce talent that NFL teams are willing to pay vast sums of money for no matter if the player lacks a full time motor or has a high-opinion of himself.
No doubt. It wasn't his ability or it's value I was asking gwallaia about.
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Both Mario and Peppers were thought to be guys who took plays off/lacked a "motor", but then they went 1.1 & 1.2 respectively the years they were drafted.
Neither was accused of taking a season off.

But this discussion goes in the draft forum. Please take it over there.
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As soon as Blake Bortles is drafted the Houston Chronicle will come out with an illustrated tutorial on how to modify your already modified David Carr/Matt Schaub jersey to the #5 and to the name "BORTLES".

Anyone who actually does it though should be mocked mercilessly because that's just cheap as hell.

That's all of course unless Bortles announces an unexpected change to #8
Lol. I was just kidding about owning a schaub jersey. Only jersey I own is #80.
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Good news! It was time for the Texans to move in a different direction. I hope Schaub takes the division from Denver.
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Lol. I was just kidding about owning a schaub jersey. Only jersey I own is #80.
I got #80.. and #99
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No doubt. It wasn't his ability or it's value I was asking gwallaia about.
You did say something about "thinks he's too big for his britches", right ?
But why is that a problem ? I think most of the really successful guys in the NFL have very, very healthy egos. On the Texans, no doubt that both Watt & Cushing are hotdogs to some degree. And some of the best QBs like Brady and Rogers are very self-centered from what I read. I want my best players to
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Rick Smith with a helluva move. Will he get love for it?
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Also, Matt Schaub's contract calls for $13.5 million in 2015 and $15.5 million in 2016.

Cap ramifications ... Oakland would carry $11M (base + roster bonuses) for Schaub in '14. Houston saves $4M, with $10.5M in dead $ in '14.
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This wasn't Smith, it was Raider desperation.

He still sucks ...
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I figured they were trying to get Cle and Oak to bid for Schaub...
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You did say something about "thinks he's too big for his britches", right ?
But why is that a problem ? I think most of the really successful guys in the NFL have very, very healthy egos. On the Texans, no doubt that both Watt & Cushing are hotdogs to some degree. And some of the best QBs like Brady and Rogers are very self-centered from what I read. I want my best players to
have an attitude about their own abilities, to think and believe they are the best.
(sigh) I asked another poster his opinion about a perceived problem. He answered it. Are you OK with that?
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So is it better for us to trade instead of making him a June 1 cut from a salary cap perspective?
Depends on how you want to look at it.

One thing though, we get a draft pick. May be a 6th, may be a 7th... but if this pick gets bundled with some other asset to improve our team in the future.... say our 3rd plus this pick for Mallet, or our second, this pick, & Case Keenum to move up to the 27th pick... whatever...

Even if we use it to draft Tom Savage I think it's better than whatever additional space we were going to free up & most likely not use.
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I got #80.. and #99
I've got two #8s..... A Carr & A Schaub

I've got a #12... Jacoby Jones

A #23..... Foster (it used to say Fostre, but thank God my wife knows her way around a needle & thread)

I've got a cheap Reebok #80....

probably get a #56 this year. Maybe a #5

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I said it once and I'll say it again, good bye forever Matt and Gary. Excellent start to a Friday.
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