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Old 03-17-2014   #61
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I don't quite understand this McGloin thing..........at 6'1", he was worse than Keenum in every stat.
cept for W-L stats

but McGloin doesn't strike me as any answer for Houston, aside from getting Schaub off the roster. Seeing as I don't feel keeping Schaub on the roster is taking a step forward, this would still make me feel better than if no trade is made, but it's low hanging fruit.
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So you are looking for another 2-14 season?
Mallett is as good as any QB in this class and a huge improvement over Schaub was last yr. For that matter so is McGloin. Plus they both have experience in BOB's offense.

Even if I was wrong they could draft a QB in next yrs draft. Instead of settling for your God TB. 2-14 with Clowney/Robinson and Mallett/McGloin is highly unlikely.

Did you just post this for effect? Continue on with your early morning TB masturbation.
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Our 1.1 for Oaklands 1.5 & 2.5 ? I would love that deal !
But if a deal included trading Schaub, I'm still unsure about the non-guaranteed portion of Schaub's contract ? So let's say Oakland or whoever our trading partner might be assumes the balance of Schaub's contract, does that mean we would have no obligation for his remaining compensation on the contract beyond what portion of it is the unamortized guaranteed balance which of course does go agasnt our cap ?
Trading is treated like cutting. We would absorb the remaining 10.5 of Schaub's bonus in 2014. Yes - Oakland would get saddled with the remainder if his contract. I'd expect an immediate restructure/extension.

If we get a Pop Tart for Schaub it should be considered a success.
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Trading is treated like cutting. We would absorb the remaining 10.5 of Schaub's bonus in 2014. Yes - Oakland would get saddled with the remainder if his contract. I'd expect an immediate restructure/extension.

If we get a Pop Tart for Schaub it should be considered a success.
As long as he's not on the active roster when the season starts, I don't give a **** what we do with him. They can throw him and his uniforms and crap in a dumpster as far as I'm concerned.
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Trading is treated like cutting. We would absorb the remaining 10.5 of Schaub's bonus in 2014. Yes - Oakland would get saddled with the remainder if his contract. I'd expect an immediate restructure/extension.

If we get a Pop Tart for Schaub it should be considered a success.
But isn't the problem with expecting a restructure/extension is it would mean an agreement to the new terms by BOTH Oakland and Schaub ?
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Trading is treated like cutting. We would absorb the remaining 10.5 of Schaub's bonus in 2014. Yes - Oakland would get saddled with the remainder if his contract. I'd expect an immediate restructure/extension.
No one explained why Matt Schaub would agree to a restructure rather than just waiting to be released and negotiating on the open market? It doesn't make sense from his viewpoint.
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I wouldn't go that far. It's clear we have a QB they want (if this story is true). He might be history here, but one man's garbage could be another man's gold.
Sometimes a change of team is the spark a player needs to excel, and Schaub could be an asset to them for a season or two. Were it my decision, a 4th or better would buy him. But Oakland isn't going to trade a QB for a QB; we have to get a replacement somewhere else.
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But isn't the problem with expecting a restructure/extension is it would mean an agreement to the new terms by BOTH Oakland and Schaub ?
Sure but it's really easy honestly. Remember that they are looking to do the opposite if what most teams - they need to spend more not less. Since they have to eat up cap space, they could front load the contract and give Schaub a bonus too. Even if Schaub doesn't wasn't to do anything, he's under contract for a lot if money. He'd be dumb to not take what he's owed on it.
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No one explained why Matt Schaub would agree to a restructure rather than just waiting to be released and negotiating on the open market? It doesn't make sense from his viewpoint.
I thought someone mentioned if he's traded to Oakland, they wouldn't necessarily want him to restructure. They said Oakland needs to add to their cap hit, to meet the minimum (though I thought it was a 3 year avg & not anything to worry about this year).

If so, it would make sense.

There are also those here that advocate for the pay as you go contracts. This would be just that. They aren't bound to Matt Schaub in any way. If they bring him in & he gets beat out by Matt McGloin, they can cut him before the season starts & not owe him anything, not have to show it on their cap... he'd never get a silver & black paycheck.
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No one explained why Matt Schaub would agree to a restructure rather than just waiting to be released and negotiating on the open market? It doesn't make sense from his viewpoint.
If he gets traded, he won't be getting released. He can't negotiate except with the team he's traded too.
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If he gets traded, he won't be getting released. He can't negotiate except with the team he's traded too.
Why would he want to negotiate is my question? He's making $10+million this year on his existing contract.
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Sometimes a change of team is the spark a player needs to excel, and Schaub could be an asset to them for a season or two. Were it my decision, a 4th or better would buy him. But Oakland isn't going to trade a QB for a QB; we have to get a replacement somewhere else.
Schaub would not be the long term solution at QB for Oakland. They would be expected to get the QB of their choice at 1-1, assuming this was part of the deal. So McGloin would be third on the depth chart. He was also an undrafted FA when signed. He's replaceable.
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Why would he want to negotiate is my question? He's making $10+million this year on his existing contract.
First, as explained, Oakland wouldn't have to renegotiate. But more importantly, as explained by the Oakland beat writer in his tweets, they could sweeten the deal to entice him to renegotiate, by including a signing bonus.
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Why would he want to negotiate is my question? He's making $10+million this year on his existing contract.
To make more maybe? Oakland needs to spend - not save. Give Schaub a 10 - 12 million bonus and lots of incentives in the new contract. Why wouldn't he do it?
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First, as explained, Oakland wouldn't have to renegotiate. But more importantly, as explained by the Oakland beat writer in his tweets, they could sweeten the deal to entice him to renegotiate, by including a signing bonus.
Every now & then, it's ok to say, "I don't know."
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Mallett is as good as any QB in this class and a huge improvement over Schaub was last yr. For that matter so is McGloin. Plus they both have experience in BOB's offense.

Even if I was wrong they could draft a QB in next yrs draft. Instead of settling for your God TB. 2-14 with Clowney/Robinson and Mallett/McGloin is highly unlikely.

Did you just post this for effect? Continue on with your early morning TB masturbation.
How did you arrive at this conclusion? Ryan Mallet stats

The scant stats he does have are pretty pathetic.
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How did you arrive at this conclusion? Ryan Mallet stats

The scant stats he does have are pretty pathetic.
I've seen him play in college.

What kind of stats do you expect him to put up behind a GOAT like Brady?
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To make more maybe? Oakland needs to spend - not save. Give Schaub a 10 - 12 million bonus and lots of incentives in the new contract. Why wouldn't he do it?
Yes, I agree. Schaub would agree to a renegotiated contract that would pay him more $$$. A new contract that would pay him less is what I would question.
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With all the previous comments and discussion, it never even entered my mind that "renegotiation" could be interpreted as meaning "renegotiate for less money".
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